Opera Next 20.0.1387.30 update

Hello,
You can check out some fixes added to Opera Next stream. Thank you for testing and feel free to comment. Let us know if you have any problems with the build.
Greetings from Wrocław.

Highlights

  • Crash fixes
  • New translation strings
  • Chromium updated to version 33.0.1750.58

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Full changelog

  • justSQL

    Cool =)

  • L33t4opera

    Thanks for the update :-)
    It seems that Mrs. / Miss Cornelia hacked Disqus;-)
    Of course this is a joke, please do not feel to be offended.

  • Gemorroj

    Need Olympic developer build! =)

  • Guest

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/783/2705/original.jpg?w=600&h
    This problem was solved by disabling “GPU compositing on all pages” in experiments, but in this build that experiment is not available on win platform (??).

    Also, show passwords in password manager not works.

  • Sierra

    This problem was solved by disabling “GPU compositing on all pages” in experiments, but in this build that experiment is not available on win platform (??).

    Also, show passwords in password manager not works.

  • IllusionMH

    Screen emulation in developer tools is broken only for me?

  • Sierra

    Any solution for this?

    • Vux777

      try reseting all the flags if you change them
      it’s probably something related to gpu-HW acceleration-raster threads

      • Sierra

        In last few builds I changed GPU compositing on all pages to disabled and it helped, but now that experiment is unavailable on windows and now I don’t know what other can help me.

        • Vux777

          maybe hardware acceleration on main settings?
          but that bug got to be from experiments, I had it when messing with flags

          • Sierra

            I tried with disabling hardware acceleration, reseting all experiments etc. but problem persists. I hope O team will bring back gpu compositing option in experiments.

    • Harakiri Tabasco

      The solution until recently was to disable threaded compositing. In Chrome 32 though this flag was greyed out on Windows.

  • Habl

    Hi. If I have enable DirectWrite ( –no-sandbox –enable-direct-write for shortcut Opera) I will have narrow fonts with google, twitter and etc.

    • Vux777

      I’ve enabled DirectWrite in flags, and not having problems with fonts

      • Habl

        For enable DirectWrite need to add –no-sandbox –enable-direct-write for shortcut Opera. On your screen you dont have DirectWrite. This trouble are no in last Chromium builts.

        • Vux777

          then what is this?

          • Habl

            No. Just compare.

          • Vux777

            compare what?

          • Habl

            But I have

            –no-sandbox –enable-direct-write

            for shortcut of Opera.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Confirmed: on this page, comments are rendered in a Narrow font. On Facebook, everything is good, with only a slight difference in kerning.

  • Przemysław Marek

    Since last build, something wrong with password manager.
    Very often, when trying remembered password sites gives error “wrong password” or “password empty”, then I create new tab with the same page, and then remembered password is accepted.
    Second: autoscroll in QAB (a lot of bookmarks in folder) very annoying, very hard to chose first links, because autoscroll going down.

  • MozPri

    Where is dev version?

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      It is delayed due to some unforeseen problems. It will be announced here on the blog when it is ready.

      • Shawny_Shawn

        What is the nature of these problems?

        • Tomáš Pavlík

          Do you really expect that you’ll get the answer? :/

          • Shawny_Shawn

            Do I expect an answer? No, of course not. Their track record at providing information is not good at all.

            Should we, as users, be given an answer, however? Absolutely, we should be.

          • reesmichael1

            I’m sorry, but I don’t get this sentiment. We, as users, have absolutely no right to anything that Opera Software does or does not disclose. While I, along with pretty much everyone else, would appreciate knowing the intimate details of Opera’s inner workings, I’ve also accepted that employees can only explain a certain amount of information to us–and I don’t see any reason to expect anything different.

          • Shawny_Shawn

            This is a matter of courtesy, not rights.

            Opera, as a company, is absolutely nothing without its users. Nothing at all.

            Given that we are their most valuable resource, they should treat us very well. That involves keeping us up-to-date with any and all developments that may or will affect us.

            Release delays due to problems, of whatever nature, clearly do affect us and our ability to use the software that Opera develops.

            As such, we should be informed of what has gone on in this case, and what may be going on currently. It would just be the courteous thing for them to do.

          • reesmichael1

            I apologize–I should have been clearer in my original post.

            You’re right–it would be very courteous if they provided information. I meant to express the idea that we don’t have a *right* to any information–which we clearly agree on.

            However, I’m fine with not knowing the nature of the problems. I think it’s sufficient for us to know that there are problems, and that’s why we haven’t seen anything yet. Without knowing the exact details of Opera’s NDAs, I wouldn’t be surprised if the employees simply can’t tell us. In other words, I was pleasantly surprised to find out from the developers that “unforseen problems” are holding the developer build back. This way, we don’t have to sit around and wonder why there isn’t a developer build yet. We know that it’s not because of a lack of effort, or because the developers are on vacation–but because of a problem that, presumably, they’re working on. (To be clear, I’m not happy that the problems exist–I’m just satisfied with knowing that they are there.)

      • http://golubev.by/ Andrew G.

        As I understand nobody worked on dev build all this time? We must expect nothing new in dev build?

        • Paczus

          What you said makes no sense.

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          On the contrary, pretty much everyone is always working on the Developer stream.

          • Shawny_Shawn

            How many developers are working on the Opera desktop browser these days?

            The slow pace of development is very concerning. We’re many months past the release of Opera 15 at this point, and yet there are still major features of Opera 12 and earlier that are missing.

            Bookmarks and Linux support are two of the most obvious ones, of course, but I’m sure you know about the numerous others.

            It’s very understandable why some users may think that nobody is working on Desktop Opera any longer. The lack of progress suggests this to be the case.

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            Slow pace?

            Let’s bring an example from Presto era: the first Opera alpha build with Opera Link has been released on September 4, 2007, the final version came in June 12, 2008. That’s 9+ months for a single feature. That’s about the same time it took for them to release 15 with UI made from scratch and implement many different things up to 20.

          • David_Gould

            I think the difference this time is that Opera froze work on Presto. If they’d kept a few people maintaining that, almost no-one would be complaining.

            Also, I’m pretty sure the developer team has been slashed with some going to Coast and a few key people known to have left.

          • Shawny_Shawn

            I don’t think that they could have really kept maintaining Opera 12 and Presto, even if they wanted to. Here we have a preview release of Opera 20, and Opera 12 is STILL better in so many ways. In fact, it’s the only viable option for Linux users who want to use Opera. Were Opera 12 to be maintained, it’d make Opera 12 even better than it currently is, which in turn makes the new releases of Opera look comparatively worse. That wouldn’t be good for the adoption of these new versions of Opera.

          • David_Gould

            To much of the community, Opera 20 is still an alpha albeit a polished one.

            I can’t tell if Opera marketshare is still decreasing or stablised but it seems there’s no large takeup of Opera Blink. Therefore, I can’t see the point of making it the primary release.
            Technological previews had precedent in Opera. The world could handle two co-developed versions. The only doubt that this would have worked better is if so few people are working on Opera Blink that they can’t spare a few developers to update Presto.

          • Onaj Tamo

            Maybe.But opera stock prices are quite high right now and they are growing.

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          Quite the opposite. Everyone is pretty much always working on the Developer builds.

      • Rinne Tensei

        I want opera to buy qupzilla ;)

  • Krasen Ivanov

    Linux ?

    Sorry but I had to.
    Yes I know about the developer that quit because of “no Linux for you”

    • Fhury

      Oh noes! The dev team for desktop cut in half ;)

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      When we have more information to share; it will be announced here on the blog first.

      We hear you guys. :-)

      • Shawny_Shawn

        Let’s start with a simple question that you should be able to answer now, even if nothing is set in stone yet:

        Are there plans to eventually offer a Linux version of the Opera Desktop browser?

        A simple “yes” or “no” answer will suffice.

        • L33t4opera
          • Jeffrey Heckman

            No. Not all hope is gone, however I still believe we have a player that likes to be silent… Uh, how about one that has 51 trillion dollars?

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          Hm. I can say that if we were never doing one, we would not keep you guys hanging like this.

          • _artem_

            Opera uses blink (webkit fork), right? Chrome uses the same blink, right? Chrome has a linux version and has no issues releasing one. So the logical question – what’s wrong with the opera??? Why is opera skin for chrome not ready for linux? WHYYYY???
            You know guys that there will be no more flash for linux… except chrome’s pepper flash, yeah I know licenses forbid to distribute pepper flash in browsers other than chrome. BUT it’s still allowed to manually extract that plugin and add it to chromium… so it works as good as in official chrome…
            If opera for linux is delayed because of flash crap that’s not a problem… cuz linux users know how to extract pepper flash in order to use it… I’m talking of myself… I compile gentoo as it’s just a making a toast. Just give us very unstable opera for linux so we (I) can stop using chrome. I use chrome only in linux because there is no alternatives for me… I don’t want to install opera 12 (I’m not a necrophile) so I have to use chrome just to be able to use flash player. (Outdated, not-any-more-supported adobe flash is a no go for me. I just want to use latest flash (pepper flash) and latest browser – which I can use on all of my platforms! I hate to have different browsers installed. I already switched to opera 15 from chrome, but I still can’t delete it because I still use chrome in linux)

          • justSQL

            Creating linux apps isn’t that easy. In fact it’s pretty damn hard. You have to create separate workarounds than the windows ones etc. Chrome owned by Google obviously has cash to spend on all the possible licenses on earth etc. Not the same story for Opera. They will have to find workarounds to get past difficult problems and stuff.
            Overall linux differs so much from Win / Os x you are basically starting from the very first steps when creating linux stuff.

            //7 years of website creating, software creating, serverside programming.

          • Joana Silva

            QupZilla started from the scratch (Python-QtWebKit) in 2010 and was completely rewritten in 2011 in C++. As free software(GNU licence) It had a major developer and 9 unpaid contributors. It’s cross-platform and already has a stable and functional(native Rss reader, bookmark and history manager, sidebar, customizable Speed Dial, MANY customizable settings, themes, mouse gestures, proxy, download and password manager, besides many other features, etc) version for Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X, OS2, Haiku OS. What? So Opera doesn’t have resources like Google to develop a Linux version? C’mon…

          • justSQL

            Someone who knows can link the page here, can’t remember where i found it, but; have you seen the Opera contributions? There’s so many ‘plugins’ / ‘addons’ written by other than Opera developers to have this browser function. They either have to translate every single one of those to linux or then create whole new versions of them. And it may be not all the guys who have wrote those are either developing anymore, nor want to create linux versions.

          • justSQL

            Actually i’ve found them. In Opera, go to opera://about/credits

          • Joana Silva

            I don’t know what is happening with Opera, everything is very confusing since the change of Opera 12 to 15. I just know that in meanwhile Opera is losing its loyal base of Linux users(and maybe Windows too?), That’s what matters, isn’t it? So….???

          • justSQL

            Let’s put it this way: Opera started everything from the start as they switched to Chromium. Changing to Chromium was a good idea, at least better than trying to resurrect the buggy Presto one. It’s not been even a year yet and you’re crying because developers can’t code millions of lines per day? Please just stop whining about the linux version, It will come when it’s ready…

            ”Why does Chrome then have a linux version”

            Because Opera isn’t a fcking Chrome guys.. Two different browsers, different aspects of looking into things, Chrome already stable browser, Opera still in development. It’s not like creating linux versions is just copying the chrome linux…

            [personal_opinion]
            no offense but if the linux users are this bitchy they don’t even deserve their own version…
            [/personal_opinion]

            btw if you guys can answer this (devs/mods/whatever) is it the UI that’s causing troubles? Cause i know from experience that creating ui for linux is one of the hardest parts.

          • Joana Silva

            “Please just stop whining about the linux version, It will come when it’s ready…”

            I understand(or at least I try) the difficulties of Opera, but tell me, how Linux users will have a reliable browse, since Opera 12 for Linux is outdated and incompatible(this situation is growing up every day) with several several sites? They need to have a reliable browser, because staying switching between browsers is annoying, do you agree? But there is not a updated Opera browser for Linux yet. So in the meanwhile Linux users MUST switching to another browsers untill the release of Opera for Linux. I’m personally using Firefox on Linux now and starting to like it. I think the consequences are that many Linux users will get used to/liking these another browsers, as it is already happening…It’s not a personal matter(“whining”) against Opera, but it is a matter of necessity. So what is the solution? “Use another browser untill the release of Opera for Linux, then return to Opera?” Utopia…

            Btw, your personal_opinion for me does not make sense. :-(

          • justSQL

            My personal opinion = Linux users should be happy about getting Opera for Linux at some point, and not coming here to cry about it every day; You’re not accomplishing anything by doing that. Do you really think the developers start feeling bad for you and start rushing things? :D

            + they already said something about linux and March, just a few weeks shouldn’t be so bad…

            Linux is such a small portion compared to Win / Os x, obviously Opera focuses more on Win / Os x than Linux. Even because of the fact that Linux is free but Win / Os x actually cost money, if you pay for a Operating system and don’t get a software but the free Os Linux has it, do you think users will like that?

          • Joana Silva

            You are right, Linux users should stop whining every day here and stop begging a Linux version as if it were a favor of Opera(we do not need handouts, there are alternative browsers for Opera 15+) as well as Windows/Mac users also should stop whining about bugs for Windows/Mac version every day(It must be annoying for Opera to have to endure complaints from users, so they not “start feeling bad for you and start rushing things”). I’m stopping this discussion because it is useless and advise Linux users to do the same. Linux users, stop whining and move to another functional/reliable/stable browser like Firefox, QupZilla, SRWare Iron, etc!!! it’s a simple solution, isn’t? So you will not be worried and developers of Opera will be happy to know that annoying Linux users are not bothering them, and in this way everyone will be happy. I stopped here…;-)

          • Onaj Tamo

            Depends on how much you relied on api’s and how much priority you put on portability while you were coding the app for the first time.

          • MarkG54321

            “Why is opera skin for chrome not ready for linux? ”

            Because contary to what some newbies believe, Opera isn’t a skin.

            Any true developer worth their salt will know that Opera is ALOT more than a Chrome skin (Chromium doesn’t even support UI skinning), Opera is a ground up rewrite that uses the chromium rendering engine and V8 javascript engines.

            or in the car analogy, Chromium is the engine and transmission, Opera is the bodywork, interior and electrics. The “skin” that some plebs refer to, is the dust sheet they throw over the car at night…

          • _artem_

            Chromium has linux version, chrome has linux version, ff has linux version. If opera devs are stupid (which isn’t true) and aren’t able to write cross-platform code then they just should use qt. And for linux they should completely drop gtk crap. Qt is the future, kde is the best de (as well in customisation as in look. Stop developing for dead platform (gtk, gnome shit and its derivatives)

          • hal32

            Yes for Pepper!, but please…
            USE GTK USE GTK USE GTK haha XD

          • http://icewalker2g.wordpress.com Francis Adu-Gyamfi

            There could be the simple problem of there not being enough staff to dedicate to linux. Contrary to what you may believe, Linux Distros are not main stream OSes used by the majority, so even finding a dev ready to build stuff for linux can be more challenging than finding one for Windows or Mac.

            Also, you must remember, there are atleast 20% less developers than there were in 2011 who build stuff for desktop environments. A ton of developers have migrated to Web development only so there may not be that many people with the relevant skills to build a Linux Desktop application using C/C++.

            I build web apps daily, built desktop apps with Java for many years, and I have never compiled a line of C/C++ code. If there are 50 people more like me, then there are 50 less people who can be dedicated to building a quality desktop app for Linux.

            Patience is all I can recommend for you now.

          • Onaj Tamo

            Nope,you are forgetting that developersare big geeks usually and big geeks usually use Linux a lot.That is why we have a big linux userbase among professional system admins and desktop developers.

          • Onaj Tamo

            There is the problem.they are using neither of those,instead they are developing from scratch so that the interface looks pixel by pixel the same on all distros.

          • Shawny_Shawn

            What you’re saying is totally contradictory.

            It inherently cannot be a “ground up rewrite”, like you incorrectly claim, with so much being based off of Google’s existing code. Opera today really is just a thin veneer over a whole lot of existing code written by Google, Apple and others.

            Given that Blink and V8 already run perfectly fine on Linux, there’s absolutely no valid reason why these new versions of Opera don’t support Linux.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            They need to create the UI from the zero as they did/are doing with Windows and Mac versions.
            And they also need to add features from the ground.

          • Onaj Tamo

            Nope.Because they are not using whole Chromium in Opera.They are only using the parts they really like.

          • Rinne Tensei

            Ya that is why its faulty.. opera should have gone for apple webkit and port the html5 capabilities of blink (like they did with presto) to it, both open source no big deal in compatibility.. again it has 15 years of experience !

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Why is opera skin for chrome not ready for linux?

            Because it’s not a Chrome skin.

          • hal32

            Pepper Flash Player installer will also be included in the official Ubuntu 14.04 repositories, as well as being extractable from Chrome, so please give us PPAPI support.

          • Tomáš Pavlík

            Thank you, thank you, thank you. I was waiting to hear at least SOMETHING from you. “Till it’s ready, i’ll use Midori. :)

          • justSQL

            I can give you a tip = Being silent is NEVER a good thing from a company or it’s employees. That leads in to a disaster (Happened with Valve being silent about 0 updates in 4 months) Their metascore went below 30 points (was in 90+) etc as customers weren’t happy. After all they had to fix things by writing a blog post http://blog.dota2.com/2013/11/not-my-best-work/
            I feel you’re communicating well with the community, just keep things the same and answer to these poor guys if they have questions you can answer.

          • Shawny_Shawn

            Well, it wasn’t a “yes” or “no” answer like you were asked to provide, but I suppose it’s a whole lot more than we’ve heard out of you guys lately.

            Here’s the next simple question:

            On what date will the Linux version of the Opera Desktop browser be available?

          • Leonardo Gomes

            When it’s ready for releasing.

            You may not like it, but it would be the only answer they could give to you.at this moment.

  • Guest

    Really I must say there’s some really s***ty people here misleading Opera by providing fake info… dumbest fan group ever seen.. and I don’t think Opera has any wishes to become better either and who’s this Vox777, he never see, never have any problem.. I have doubt he have any education relating computers

  • Thomas Woo

    I hate to keep brining this up, but can you guys please fix HiDPI on Windows? I am stuck on Opera 18 (last version with proper HiDPI support) – Opera 19 has a tiny address bar & tabs, and Opera 20 has oversized UI elements, and the hit boxes do not match the UI at all, so it is impossible to do anything.

    • Helge Andre Gjølme

      This is a high priority from our side, we will fix it. Currently HiDPI depends on fixing something else first, which we are working on right now.

      • Thomas Woo

        Thanks for the reply – glad to know that it’s high priority and being looked at, much appreciated!

  • Kiva

    In Password manager, button “Show” don’t work. In previous build happens too.

  • Sierra

    Problems with ad blocking extensions in last builds. They block ads only after reloading page.

  • Dave

    For me…. Opera keeps crashing or getting frozen randomly and even restarts from time to time. :(

    • Shawny_Shawn

      You should feel lucky, Dave. At least Opera will start on your system, even if it crashes. It won’t even run at all on my Linux workstation.

    • blackcoder

      For me Opera 19 is totally stable. No crashes. So you see this crashes with this build of Opera 20 Next or did it happen earlier?

      Maybe a clean install is worth a try.

      • Dave

        Happening since the 20 next version.
        Yeah, I already reinstall it on the previous update. Still same issues :(

        I invite you to update your version and try by yourself before asking ^^

        • blackcoder

          I have always the newest stable, next and developer. Can not confirm your issue.

          • Shawny_Shawn

            Just because you cannot reproduce the issue yourself it does not mean that it isn’t affecting Dave.

          • blackcoder

            Did I say that? No.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Right. However it may indicate that it’s not a Opera’s problem but something triggered by a third party and/or by an specific configuration/setting/whatever.

            If you are having issues with Opera (or any other software) and the majority of people reply to you saying that they aren’t facing the same problems, then you should start investigating another possible causes.

  • RX-3200

    when we get fix drag & drop in new Opera ?
    eg shareaholic_com in “Options / Browser Tools: Sharing networks” – sorting by dragging not working,
    and on many other pages like scissorsfly_com, portal.opera_com, ect – in new Opera drag & drop functionality not working on them all,
    but in Opera Presto – it worked

  • saurium

    Why Opera it’s the only Chrome fork that don’t has bookmarks..??

    • blackcoder

      They first had the plan to replace the classic way of handling bookmarks with Speed Dial. Therefore you can search in it, create folders, …

      After the criticism they introduced the bookmarks bar. You can enable it in the settings.

  • Mr. Operaniac

    Will dt make plans to fix some of the most annoying problems when opera meet Chinese websites and software? For example, I’ve received a lot of feedbacks about opera not compatible with some of Chinese input method and most of Chinese online shopping website and their plugins separately. While chrome almost make it.

    • Toshiyuki Saito

      I have installed MS Pinyin and checked at taobao.com both on Win7 and Win8. Looks OK to me. What OS do you use, which input system, and what is the exact URL where you have a problem? The detailed informations are welcome.

      • Mr. Operaniac

        Fine..sogou pinyin input method(which is much more accepted and applied in mainland China) and win7 seems to become the most problematic environment. And if you buy a product on taobao.com, you’ll find it impossible to pay the bill directly by typing payment password, for the relevant npalipay.dll
        cannot function properly in opera.

        • Toshiyuki Saito

          OK, thanks for your information.
          I will try to install sogou pinyin again. Last time I installed it, it stays in task bar for ever, then looked like a spam ;)

          Another question; Do you use IME to type password, which we never do in Japanese?

          • Mr. Operaniac

            npalipay.dll and sogou are two separate problems…

          • http://opera.by-fan.net/ Opera Fans

            Actually,this problem affects most when we input words in the address bar.

            Here’s the example:I want to input “为什么”(wei shen me) but only “shen me” is recongized by the pinyin method,as what you see in the picture. “wei” is directly shown in the bar without going through the method.

            What’s more,not all the pinyin method and system environment results in this problem. Typical situation: Sogou IME/ Google IME/ Bing IME on Opera 18+,with Win7 x64.

            But it’s quite interesting that if I press a Space button before I input Chinese,it disappears and all things looks right.

        • Toshiyuki Saito

          Without good knowledge of Chinese, I installed sogou input, then I got Sogou browser with it. Possibly I clicked “allow installing it” I am afraid :(

          • Mr. Operaniac

            Oops, should have told you that>.<

      • Toshiyuki Saito

        OK, I installed sogou pinyin on Win7, but it seems I need to open an account in taobao to confirm that :)
        Do you know any other places where I don’t need an account? Hopefully English UI is better.

        • Mr. Operaniac

          so there`s really no one in Opera who can read Chinese? Oh my gosh….

  • LoverOfLife

    When i share something on facebook, the page goes up to the first post (on top), not where i was. Very annoying! What is wrong with this version ? What can i do ? Should i go back to google chrome ?

    • blackcoder

      Maybe it is an regression in Chromium and therefore one of the newer non-stable Chrome version are also affected. As you can see in the highlights of this build they updated Chromium. Did you see this problem with Opera 19, too?

      • LoverOfLife

        I’ve just tested this problem in Opera 19, and it’s alright. There is nothing wrong in 19 about Facebook so far. Waiting for developers to fix that in Opera Next, because is the one i like.

  • rm

    When are we going to get it for Linux???????

    Opera 12.16 is starting to have issues on sites because it is not being maintained!!!!!

    Whoever thought it was a good idea to to go back to basics and release what is effectively a chrome clone (with LESS features) is an utter fool. And how it managed to get past all the various managers is beyond me!

    • guest6768

      The managers (and shareholders in the first place) were the ones that have decided it. Mobile phones, tablets and their explicit (dumb/hipster) users are their strategic (financial) target right now. (Rhetorical question: Does “Discover” make any sense to a desktop PC?) As for desktop use, Windows and Linux is side job, first priority is Mac. Primitive settings and customization, primitive interface (you know, one mouse button is GOD for them, everyone else is a nerd, knowing something more about computers than Power ON/OFF is a lifestyle sin and so on) and the obligatory same look, same feel and sync between ipads/iphones/Macs of course.

      • Dmitry Kirin

        The managers (and shareholders in the first place) were the ones that have decided it.

        That is not correct.

        “The switch to using Chromium was an engineering-led decision, not a management decision to cut costs.”
        http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/66636832?startidx=400#comment109768692

        • guest6768

          You ‘re missing the big picture here, the management decided a strategic switch to mobile phones, operators, tablets, and its (casual) users. See financial reports about buyouts of major “mobile” companies in 2012.

          • Dmitry Kirin

            I’d say that’s a too-big picture. Any decision making is basically management. I stick to what Bruce has said: financial issues and strategies weren’t the cause of this particular decision. Implying the opposite looks a sort of conspiracy theory to me.

          • guest6768

            The shareholders, the investors, the upper management sat to a table and decided to buy-out major mobile companies and change the steer to this market what is it that you don’t understand?

          • Dmitry Kirin

            I understand quite clearly: we have an explicit statement from the engineering side. If we assume it’s somehow not true, then we might come to any sort of suspicion, for example, that the management zombied engineering into thinking that was their decision.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Even during Presto times, Opera had a considerable and important focus (and role) on the mobile martket, it’s not something that they decided to do last year.

            And the mobile market is the market now, many companys are aiming on it.

      • ryofurue

        This is off topic, but . . .

        [About Mac] one mouse button is GOD for them, everyone else is a nerd, knowing something more about computers than Power ON/OFF is a lifestyle sin and so on

        I guess that describes the majority users, but I notice a trend that some Linux users are migrating to Mac. It’s easier to do so than to migrating to Windows, because Mac is Unix. Just one example: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/08/osx-killed-linux/ (Even a famous Linux developer couldn’t stand any longer. If you google for “abandoning Linux”, you’ll find more.)

        Looking around me, I notice many of my nerdy friends who used to use Unix or Linux 10 years ago are now using Mac OS X. I myself use Linux at work and Mac at home, and I use my Mac in a “nerdy” way; I use it as if it were a Unix workstation (command-line centric, shell and Ruby scripts, LaTeX, emacs, and so on). I can see that as a desktop machine, Linux may be becoming redundant, for people who can afford to buy Macs. (For server machines, Linux is very strong.)

  • _artem_

    will opera 21 dev finally be released for linux?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Probably not.

  • ra_ven

    Password manager issue

    Remembered password sometimes missing or doesn’t work. I am getting “wrong password” error message quite often. The only solution is to close and reopen closed tab, or start new one instead. On some websites Opera doesn’t even bother offering the option to save password.

    • IllusionMH

      Sometimes have this issue too.

      Win 7 x64 SP1

  • icetom
    • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

      We are talking about this and the other recent interview with Jon here:
      http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1822442

    • guest6768

      Thanks. Interesting stuff as always and pretty known facts. But you don’t need the ex co-founder to understand what happened. It’s so obvious.

      • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

        Except it’s full of inaccurate data.

        • guest6768

          oooook…. and you have the accurate data… Accurate how? As a fanboi?

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            Pasting from the topic I posted about below..

            1. Jon has left the company completely but still has access to this kind of internal information?

            2. “In December 2013, there were over 270 million Opera mobile browsers users. Out of this number, 248 million were Opera Mini users and the rest were Opera for Android, Mobile Classic and Skyfire users globally.” (Source.)

            About Opera desktop: they have 51 million users currently (flat with previous quarter) and “Major part of user base is now on the new product” (PDF of Q4 2013 presentation.)

            270+51 = 321 ~ but let’s say 330 million users like Jon said.

            Let’s take out all the Opera Mini users: 330-248 = 82.

            Jon’s claim that 300 million users are on Opera 12 is completely false, it’s impossible. (Or you can blame the tech journalist who wrote the interview, whatever.)

          • guest6768

            You ‘re missing the big picture here. The product Opera 15+ and the little to none advancements from 15 to 16,17,18,19,20 speak for itself about what has happened and gives the man right.

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            That’s only your opinion. And a little besides the point if we’re talking about the number of users.

          • guest6768

            My opinion… really… so what were the advancements and the progress in your opinion from O15 to 16,17,18,19,20?
            Pin tab, drag-able tab to window and a half-assed QAB (after a lot of whining)… Anything else? Former CEO and co-founder is not right… ok…

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            The point is the performance and compatibility jump from Opera 12 to 15+ and the long-term benefit of the switch, that seem to be already holding more users.

            The advancements from 15 to 20: read the changelogs yourself. The development is advancing at a normal rate if not faster.
            Example: the first Opera alpha build with Opera Link has been released on September 4, 2007, the final version came in June 12, 2008. That’s 9+ months for a single feature. That’s about the same time it took for them to release 15 with UI made from scratch and implement many different things up to 20.

          • guest6768

            LOL you are calling bug fixes advancements for 5 new versions of a software product? Just LOL. If you are so uninformed about software I suggest you go and take a look what new versions have to offer in terms of features and advancements by the example of Opera 9 to 10, 10 to 11, 11 to 12 and so on (going backwards). For the moment, leave your fanboism aside and face the fact that all there is right now is just Opera version 15.20 for Windows and Mac, a very limited browser almost a year after version 15.00.

            Oh and leave that fairy tail about starting form scratch. It does not apply to everything. You are not reinventing the wheel from the beginning if you are an experienced coder and you have already written once the code for trivial stuff like tab stacking etc. You think adding icons to the menu is difficult programming? Does it deserve to be announced at the front page as a new release feature? If you believe so I have no further words to say. Just put your fanboi googles on again and continue whatever you are doing here.

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            After you notice how many months and years are between each Presto release (9, 10, 11, 12) compared to the actual development cycle we talk again.

          • guest6768

            After you notice how many months and years are between each Presto release (9, 10, 11, 12) compared to the actual development cycle we talk again.

            I’ve never imagined that you would be so blatantly ignorant, apart from being a desperate fanboi. It is the last old version towards the new one and again: It’s full of features. Example: 11.64 to 12.00, 10.63 to 11.00, 9.64 to 10.00.
            Even if we reverse it and keep your logic we come to the same conclusion: You can’t just claim you have a new version in a months time (Start of 9.00 to start of 10.00). If you do, it will be empty of features just like it is now.

            About the real stuff… just as I expected… nothing.

          • Guest

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          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            There’s no “11.64 to 12.00″.
            June 7, *2011* – Opera 12 1st alpha
            May 10, 2012 – Opera 11.64
            June 14, 2012 – Opera 12.00 final

            See they aren’t even in a single stream.

            You don’t even know the point you’re trying to make anymore.

          • Shawny_Shawn

            I don’t even consider them “advancements” given how much of a regression Opera 15 was compared to Opera 12. They’re just struggling to get back to where they were many years ago. At best, they’re just regressing slightly slower than they were when Opera 15 was released.

          • guest6768

            Yes we are right now at Opera 15.20. And advertising icons in the menu as a new release feature (…), the whole version numbering and the trendy/fancy attitude with the generic and not honest communication, is just reassurement that something is wrong and confirms especially what Jon has said about the direction the whole thing is heading and about the quality of programming skills.

  • ws79

    Still unusable, uncomfortable browser like Chrome… I miss functions and customization like in Opera with Presto engine. Let’s see what Firefox offers.

    • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

      Do you expect them to read your mind to discover what you’re talking about?
      You haven’t specified a single function / customization capability you miss…

      • Shawny_Shawn

        They know exactly what’s missing. Linux support and real bookmarks are two of the most significant ones. Users have been asking for those for months now! There are also many other features that previous versions of Opera offered that are now missing, of course.

        • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

          Yes they know but it doesn’t mean they have to bring back 100% of the functions of Opera 12. They already said they won’t clone Opera 12. So if the user doesn’t say what he is missing (and not you, who only assumed what he was referring about) it’s a worthless feedback.

          Since when “Linux support” is a function?
          And bookmarks are already coming back.

          • Shawny_Shawn

            We aren’t talking about obscure features here, for crying out loud!

            We’re talking about bookmarks!

            We’re talking about Linux support!

            I don’t care if these are “in the works”. They should have been offered back when Opera 15 was released.

            The fact that they still aren’t available in Opera 20 is completely disrespectful to us long-time users.

            These kind of regressions should not be considered acceptable in any way. They can’t be excused.

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            No. YOU are talking about it. @ws79:disqus still hasn’t posted a new reply.

  • PaulW

    I would consider using Opera 20 if the auto login was similar to Opera 12 with an icon. The current method shall we say is crap..

    • Leonardo Gomes

      I don’t think it will change. At least in the near future.

    • William Stam

      i agree with this

  • Ahmed Êlğąędŷ

    Where is Sync ? -_-

  • Ed Leffler

    what has to happen for windows opera to work with 1Password?

  • Cryio

    What nobody mentioned and also was not in any changelog was that sometime after v17, Opera learned how to smartly resize itself on Windows 8.x machines.

    Awesome stuff guys. Thank you.

    PS: I just remember this.

  • Chris

    Smooth Scroll deactivated if i activate a addon. o.O
    Try it at computerbase.de if i disable all my addons its scroll very smooth, but when i activate (for example) Adblock it turns to hard scroll.. and i HATE that hard scroll.
    P.S. Sorry for my English, hope u understand.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      I suspect your scrolling experience is better without ads. Many ads use the Flash plugin and that severely lowers performance.

      • Chris

        But why, in Opera 18 it works perfect. There must be a new Program issue.

  • William Stam

    the interface feels bloated to me

    still waiting for:
    1. bookmarks without adding a bar. and properly done bookmarks not this half arsed attempt.
    2. decent password manager
    3. customizability with the speed dial – some chrome speed dial extensions are even better than opera’s.. yet opera original was the forefathers of a well done speed dial
    4. being able to make the opera button just the O without the text
    5. the whole ui not feeling so bulky
    6. a status type thing with images loaded and speed its going at.

  • guest6768

    July 2013:
    “We have neither asked nor forced our 12.x users to upgrade to Opera 15, as we know that some features that are important to you are still to come.”

    Feb 2014:
    Where are those features still, and what is the difference between Opera 15,16,17,18,19 and 20? Can anyone tell me?
    Pin tab, drag-able tab to window, a primitive QAB (after begging), anything else?

    What does Discover have to do with a PC desktop environment?
    A feature that was in Opera 14 for mobile phones (the 1st chromium based browser), and advertised as “ideal to kill those 10 minutes waiting for the bus to arrive.”? Do you think users take their PC on the road?
    Or is it that you’ve slapped the same universal, web-based coded mobile version to all platforms (hence we ‘re not going to see any sidebar or panels/bars ever, and the non-existent to little advancements since O15 that prove the above) and we are the stupid ones that don’t get it?

    • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

      web-based coded mobile version to all platforms

      You don’t have a clue about the development.

      • guest6768

        “At first, we also planned to build Speed Dial, Stash, Discover and so on with native code, but when seeing that the performance of our first functional web-based prototypes was excellent, we decided to go with a web-based (and hence cross-platform) UI for these parts instead. Indeed, you can open Web Inspector and see how they’re built.”

        Sebastian Baberowski – Jul 2/2013

        http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2013/07/02/opera-15

        • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

          Yes but this has nothing to do with the rest of the browser interface like the toolbars. This is not the reason there aren’t sidebars/panels and more features like you claim.

          Also, it’s not clear if he is referring to Android when he says “cross-platform”, it could mean only Windows, Mac and Linux in the future.

          • guest6768

            yeah ok… believe what you want.

        • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

          As Rafael said, “cross-platform” doesn’t mean “mobile”. Please stop spreading FUD.

  • Tomasz

    I have weird problem with scaling (or whatever it is) since last version and this update doesn’t fix it. It’s because I have windows set to 125% zoom, lower is to small for me. Both Opera Stable and Dev works ok. Please, don’t move it to Stable, until it’s fixed

  • Dark Magician

    You need to fix Opera leaving active processes when closed.
    Had to manually kill four or five of them.

  • João Gonçalves

    It seems to be a bug in the private mode. If I open several tabs in private mode, and then close them all and close Opera Next, if I go to Windows task manager, I have several processes “Opera Next (32 bits)” that remain opened. Like more than 10 of them.
    This also happens with Opera Developer, so I guess this is a bug in your Private Mode across all developing streams.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      I will investigate this problem. Thank you for notifying us.

      • Dmitry Kirin

        Adding my experience:
        Three or four times, I wasn’t able to launch Opera (Dev): the quick launch button would blink and Opera wouldn’t start. In Task Manager, I saw Opera processes. With the killing of the one with the biggest count of bytes read/written, others were terminated too. I don’t use Private mode or multiple windows at all. At all times, this happened in the morning, so I suspect that I have been leaving Opera running the night before, with some pages open, probably with Flash. I will try and reproduce this in the nights to come.

  • Harrison A. Heck

    Not sure if it’s been mentioned before, but if we change the default search provider, why is Google still used on the speed dial page and elsewhere?

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      The search field on Speed Dial cannot be changed. This is a paid promotion from Google.

      The address field search engine can be changed from Settings.

      • Harrison A. Heck

        Liking Opera a lot less now. The whole purpose of using Opera over Chrome was to get away from Google services.

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          You have to click to focus the Speed Dial search field, and then start typing. You can set the address field search to Bing and then you can start typing immediately when you open a new tab. If you click on the search field on Speed Dial, you are actually making more of an effort to use Google Search than by using the address field as your primary search field.

          • Harrison A. Heck

            It’s not about how I search. I will probably never use the Speed Dial search. The fact of the matter is that this is wrong.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            And for what reason you think it’s wrong?

          • https://myspace.com/bluezzbastardzz Hans-Jürgen Bardenhagen

            OK, but if I use the address field with Google anyhow, it’s just a waste of space for bigger thumbnails. ;-)

        • guest6768

          Liking Opera a lot less now. The whole purpose of using Opera over Chrome was to get away from Google services.

          That is not the only one. They don’t program anything in-house anymore (new features, customizing stuff etc) but they tell you to go and use Google’s Chrome extensions or any other 3rd party bloated extension from external or amateur programmers. Nothing native. Nothing clean and pure. Take a look at Google’s Chrome extensions and you ‘ll see what I mean. A total mess and the apotheosis of bloat and spam. Like when you are in a circus festival.

        • Nekomajin42

          Daniel is right. It may be a habit of yours to search with the SD box, but the address field is faster. And you can hide the SD search box.

          • ra_ven

            How do you hide the SD search box?

          • L33t4opera

            It’s quite simple, you can do this in two ways.

          • Nekomajin42

            There are 3 groups of settings in new Opera. The first is visible by default. Everything you can see when you open the settings. The second group, called advanced settings, will be visible, is you check the checkbox at the bottom of the settings page. The third group, calles power user settings, will be visible, if you enter the konami code on the settings page.
            Just open the settings, click onto an empty area to make the search box loose the focus, then type the conami code: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_code
            It’s a little tricky, but have to do this only once, then check the other checkbox at the bottom of the page. Then you will find the hide SD search box option.

      • Dark Magician

        Nice of you finally admitting that.
        I hope it is enough money for developing… :)

  • guest6768

    Clearing browsing data resets zooming factor in Speed Dial.

    No wonder since it is web-based coded? Are you willing to fix it? This is a major issue.

    • Ralf Brinkmann

      Do you mean the thumbnail size and number of rows in the settings or an individual zoom factor you switched to manually with “num+” oder “num-”?

      • guest6768

        The latter of course.

        • Ralf Brinkmann

          So why don’t you simply change the size of the thumbnails and rows in the settings?

          • guest6768

            That is irrelevant to the problem.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Confirmed. Though the checkbox in the Clear History dialog says, ‘Clear cookies and other site data,’ and per-host zoom levels are sort of site data, so everything is logical. Still that’s not what I’d expect…

      • guest6768

        I think we can all agree that Speed Dial is not a random site and should not be treated like just another website. It is the base starting point of the browser.

        • Dmitry Kirin

          Same feeling here. I know SD is technically just a page, still I think resetting its parameters should go with a different feature, e.g. ‘Revert to default preferences’ for the whole browser.

  • Dmitry Kirin

    While backing up Preferences for the previous data cleaning experiment, I noticed that the file was unusually big, ~200 kB. I found that there were lots of domain names under net.http_server_properties.servers, with binding of QUIC as an alternative protocol(?). Around 700 nodes of trash like r5---sn-4gxxxxx.googlevideo.com:80. I suspect that’s a Chromium behaviour, so the question is sort of rhetorical: is it good to store it in Preferences?…

  • Dmitry Kirin

    Disqus seems to have broken the usage of its disqus.order cookie, which sets how comments are ordered (best, newest, oldest). Despite a correct expiry datetime, it’s not loaded upon page load, even in the same session, ordering comments by ‘popularity’ each time…

    Edit: … Or not. Seems to work OK now.

  • ma_t14

    There’s a very annoying bug in this release. When you go to “Recently closed” through the context menu and there are many entries you can’t view the topmost entries because it keeps scrolling down by itself.

    The facebook bug where it does not remember the position (goes to top automatically) after closing an image is back.

    Win8/64bit

    • Alexandre Cavaco

      I’ve algo got these 2 bugs, Win7/64bit here

  • Dark Magician

    Recently closed tabs bug.
    Page scrolls automatically, and you can’t select tab that is in the middle of the scroll.

    Just have big number of closed tabs 20-30+.

  • UMaster 7

    is there no option to diable reload all pages at start? I’d like to see where I was also when there’s no or a slow internet connection ;)

    • Muhammad Ubaid Raza

      Yes there is, enable
      Enable lazy session loading in Opera:flags

      • UMaster 7

        thanks, but you cannot prevent reload completely? this way it’ll just prevents loading back ground tabs, right?

        • Muhammad Ubaid Raza

          Right! Tabs are reloaded on when activated.

          • UMaster 7

            Opera Team could you add this option in flags?

  • Guest

    I’m a user/fan since Opera 7, and i’m trying to understand the new direction you guys are taking.

    I know there’s a lot of critics, so here’s a suggestion i’ve to the team:
    So, you guys kind of “dropped” the Bookmarks and Speed Dials is the new “home” for that.

    I’ve tried this way to save pages, and i’ve just one complaint…
    Saving pages into Speed Dial folders from the go, right there on the address bar.

    I’ve made a design-mockup to explain better.
    With this function, my navigation would go smoothly.

    Cheers and keep it up the good work.

    PS: Huge fan of Visual Tabs too, bring it back please.

  • IllusionMH

    Any news for Ctrl+Shift+V fix?
    Don’t work for disqus comments.

  • zyf

    in “Discover”, would you add “China” source?

  • L33t4opera

    New Update for Opera Next: 20.0.1387.37.

  • isaak911

    linux user?

  • Atahualpa

    Im uninstalling opera I hate it now, they ruined password manager. No other way now than IE, byeeeeee

  • John

    Hallo guys. As first i like so much Opera browser. But i got troubles with the flash player. I can’t see videos even i have the last versions of Opera and flash player. Any help, please?

  • Khuzy

    Hello I have some problems concerning google, on opera. Well before the web links were really big and not underlined now they are. Here is a pic the pic on the left. But I want mine to look like google search on chrome. I’ll give you a picture of the chrome google search

  • vijer

    Why doesn’t Opera save my user setting between updates? Fuck it is stupid that just because I live in Thailand I have to search fucking google.co.th. And I have to fucking change it every time Opera updates. How fucking stupid is that?!?!?!?!?