New network installer comes to Opera Developer 20.0.1376.0

No more champagne, and the fireworks are through. It is truly 2014 and back to work. We have indeed been busy.

Opera network installer downloading the latest version

We have a new installer. Actually, it is just a lightweight download that will fetch the latest version from our servers and start the installation. Opera, being popular in developing and low-bandwidth markets, have seen frequent failed installations due to network and other problems. The new installer will retry downloads if there are problems, ensure the latest version is always the one installed, and enhance security of the installation process.

There should be no need to redownload the network installer. If you have one laying around, you can launch it and always get the latest version. If you want to update Opera, it will happen automatically or by checking the About page.

The full installer will still be made available for offline installations. Why you would ever do an offline installation of a web browser is beyond me, but there is always that one case where it is needed.

In other news, Mac will no longer prompt for access to your Address Book data. This was previously used to enhance autofill suggestions. However, the system’s permission prompt dialog was confusing and lead users to believe their personal data were used for other purposes.

We are very eager to hear your feedback on any installation problems (or success stories) related to the network installer in the comments below.

Highlights

  • New lightweight network installer for Windows
  • Chromium updated to 33.0.1736.2
  • Stopped using Address Book for autofill on Mac
  • Generic search icon in address field on Speed Dial
  • New Encoding menu

Known issues

  • Extension pop-out windows are blank on Windows
  • List of recently closed tabs is always empty

Downloads

Full changelog.

  • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

    Our design team is probably going to hunt me down for this, but I could not resist.

    • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

      wow wow new developer version wow wow so cool wow wow

      • Marcin Mitek

        much code, so fresh, wow

        • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

          It was always much :)

    • nanana1

      Love it, love it, love it !

    • RonaldoTT

      I really want to find this funny, but instead it disappoints me.

      Opera has the resources to create that picture, but apparently no resources to dedicate toward creating a Linux version of the new Opera web browser?

      There’s a time for joking around, but it’s only after at least all of the missing 12.16 functionality has been restored, and that includes having the new version of the browser run on Linux.

      – RonaldoTT

    • JAMIRO

      HI DANIEL!

      WHEN WILL WE GET OPERA ON LINUX?

      YOUR FRIEND JAMIRO FROM CZECH RESPUBLIK!

  • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

    Thanks and testing. But it is a bit fast strangly :)

    • al_ghul

      and many bugs – that’s why – as we see;P but it’s dev, so I didn’t say anything 8-X

  • L33t4opera

    Thanks for the info, and for the update, Daniel :-)
    That’s what I could call, what fast development process means :-) congrats ;-)

  • Anton Chelnokov

    Does netinstaller correct work with proxies?
    Why u r writing nothing about linux version?
    How to follow linux creations now?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      It was already said that there won’t be linux builds before March at least, so there is no need to write about those builds until there.

      • Anton Chelnokov

        Thanks, i missed this answer.

        • Tomáš Pavlík

          Me too… :)

      • RonaldoTT

        Can you please provide a link or reference to where this claim about the Linux version was made?

        – RonaldoTT

    • Philip

      I am still waiting for a linux version too.
      Opera 12.16 is really getting old. Still working, but slow and incompatible when compared with current windows versions.

      • Tomáš Pavlík

        Thats why im forced to use Chromium or FF instead of Opera :(

  • Arnaud Lefort

    Do you add soon “Chrome.socket” API? It would develop a new IRC client (Like CIRC in Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/circ/bebigdkelppomhhjaaianniiifjbgocn )!

    • NoName

      Or mail client, like M2!

  • pseudo555

    Why you would ever do an offline installation of a web browser is beyond me –> if proxy forbid to download file from web…

    • http://www.UnrealRex.com/ GF-REX

      Precisely! The proxy here at work blocks the net installer from downloading anything. Had to use the offline one.

      Same thing prevents the auto-update from working.

      • Ben Bristow

        Disable that shit.

        Run this in CMD/PowerShell:

        reg add “HKCUSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVersionInternet Settings” ^
        /v ProxyEnable /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f

    • lb

      Exactly. Also for archiving purposes. If the new version doesn’t work, I’d like to go back one version. This isn’t possible if the installer always downloads the newest version. Same for legacy OS, where the newest version possibly isn’t supported.

      • Leonardo Gomes

        Yes, it is. Just delete the folder with the newest version.

    • leoalassia

      I want to know what I’m installing…

    • Mark Lavrijsen

      Yep. Just like the crash reporter and the update checker –> won’t work though proxy’s(my authenticated proxy @work at least).

  • crazywsl

    it seems that the update broke some extension stuff.. the (popup) UI of the extensions is always empty.. (chromeIPass, xdebug helper,..)

    • kohoutec

      Yep, confirmed here with a couple of different extensions (ABP, bug me not)

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      We missed that one. Added to known issues.

      • RonaldoTT

        There’s another major issue that needs to be addressed: the lack of Linux support.

        Why isn’t Linux already supported? When will support be added? Please give an actual date, too. “Soon” or “eventually” just doesn’t cut it!

        – RonaldoTT

  • hspdion

    On the Mac version of this latest, and the browser keeps randomly loading the speed dial while I am scrolling through webpages.

  • Deus Ex Vino

    You are quite optimistic about Opera – you provide distribution before product. Similar to uPlay or Win.AppStore.
    Easy installation is nice, but this iteration doesn’t provide the necessity to install Opera in first place. I might just be expecting to much from the whole version switch – 19 to 20, i was used bigger changes in 8 to 12 times. Counting in second digit is probably unfavorable for marketing reasons?

    • Marcin Mitek

      Counting any digits should be gone. Actually these days this is reflection of our development cycle and should be used mostly for tracking purposes, ask people around and they will probably tell you that they have no idea what version of Firefox/Chrome they are using. Fast development cycle just doesn’t work with old naming system we used to have.

    • Tams80

      Apparently it is easier to use whole numbers than decimals.

      It isnconfusing for the user though. As far as I can see the there is no way to show that there have been major changes other than through blog posts and media. With ‘proper’ version numbering, just the version number gave the user a good idea of what to expect. Now even there is no quick and easy way to tell.

  • Emanuele

    - DNA-14813 Tabs hibernation: extended lazy loading

    Is it active by default? how it works? all background tabs will be hibernated or what? … thanks :)

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      This is still at the research stage.

      • Nekomajin42

        OK, but what does it do?

        • ahoj1234

          I hope for requested “make opened tab lazy again” :)

  • http://about.me/muhasturk Mustafa Hastürk

    The year on title of changelog page must be “2014″ :)
    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/changelog20/#b1376.0

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Thanks. Cleaned it up.

      It is still early 2014. We cannot be expected to fully appreciated that just yet.

  • Jarek

    I have a firewall that requires new permissions whenever opera is updated and the new version is dumped to a different folder, is this finally going to work like Chrome won’t require me to update those permissions?

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      What firewall vendor is this? Client side, I presume?

      • x a

        My good old trusted Kerio Personal Firewall* does that, as it remembers rules linked to paths of executables.
        __
        * WinXP/32bit

      • ws79

        Eset FW needs to create new rules for each new version of Opera. One for browser and second for updater.

        • Kartofel

          The same goes for comodo(own rules) and probably any other firewall that allows you to specify your own rules.

      • Chas4

        Yep (client) , I see it in OS X also, I just manually set ESET to allow Opera all 3 parts in the firewall

    • escruting

      Yes, this is really annoying and its filling endless lines in my firewall rules/zones config, one for each little update (I use Eset Smart Security 6 and it creates 3 new rules for every update, one for the crash reporter, one for autoupdate and one for opera.exe itself,this is just a small portion):

    • leoalassia

      what I do after new installation is rename the opera subfolder as “last” (for example) and then edit the file “installation_status.xml” like this:

      ….

      E:OperaNext

      so the firewall always look for the same path

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    This will ensure I have the latest Stable or the latest Dev build?

    I’m on the stable channel, not planning to switch but I’m curious if it would prompt to update or just say it didn’t find any Opera installed.

    WTF, I will just download and see for myself, hahaha.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      There will eventually be three network installers. One for Developer, Next, and Stable. This will be the download visitors to Opera.com find on the product pages.

      If you downloaded this installer, it would install Opera Developer side-by-side with your Opera Stable installation.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        Wouldn’t it be easier to just detect what branch you’re using and download the proper version?

        • Leonardo Gomes

          And what if the person uses more than one branch?

          • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

            Download three network installers. Same as today with the offline installers. You really only need to download and run the installers once.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            Run it again or provide multiple check-boxes.

  • Vux777

    can you tell us more about new flag “Off-Road mode, version 2″.

    what kind of changes it brings?

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Its smaller, faster, and stronger? Details to follow later on. :)

      • Vux777

        kinky :)

  • DaZung

    The Show Password button in password manager seems to have stopped working. It was fine in the previous developer release. Anyone confirms?

    • Vux777

      there is a new flag “Password manager reauthentication”
      when you enable it, you can see your passwords
      I don’t have admin pass for windows so it didn’t ask me for it, but if you do, it will probably

      • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

        We seem to be, ehm, missing that password prompt dialog. Investigating.

        • Vux777

          I also had to enable it to see my passwords

        • http://www.UnrealRex.com/ GF-REX

          Yep. I enabled that flag, but it still let me see my passwords without requesting my Windows/domain password. Its definitely a good idea, though!

  • Marcin Mitek

    I don’t remember who asked for dates in the changelog but they are now available for the v. 20 changelog. And from now on, this information along with the ling to the blog post will be included in every next new version changelog that appears (21, 22 and so on).

    • RonaldoTT

      Speaking of dates, when will the new versions of Opera finally support Linux?

      Please give us an actual date, and not just a vague “soon” or “eventually”.

      – RonaldoTT

  • http://lemcgregor3.wordpress.com/ Léon McGregor

    On windows 8 I can’t seem to use the empty part of the tabs bar to “drag and snap” the window. See attached screenshot.

    HERE: http://i.imgur.com/VTi4C9n.jpg

    Also, does this mean we may see middle-click tab bar | double click tab bar to open a new tab?

    • http://my.opera.com/christoph142 Christoph142

      Doesn’t work when window is maximized either. Moreover, double-clicking doesn’t quit maximized mode anymore.

      Win 8.1

    • Kartofel

      Then maybe there is a chance that we will see the behavior of the presto opera(double/middle click to open new tab), this would be the first change that i would actually like… i hate the chromium behavior…

    • hylik

      also, in that empty part of the tabs bar the right click don’t work anymore!

    • Emil Huber

      Same here for me but only in maximized mode.

    • Michael A. Puls II

      Also, on Win7 (at least), when Opera is maximized and I move the mouse cursor down to the bottom of the screen, the taskbar doesn’t show up. (Taskbar set to auto-hide). Worked fine in previous dev version.

  • http://lemcgregor3.wordpress.com/ Léon McGregor

    I can think you might want an offline installer if you wanted to use a usb version, maybe? Or if, like at my old school, you wanted to bring it in from home because the network blocked downloads.

  • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

    When I click on extension name on “opera://extensions” Opera doesn’t open the page, where I installed the extension. Can you make this feature in new Opera? (see screenshot below)

    http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8863/drcj.png

    • http://lemcgregor3.wordpress.com/ Léon McGregor

      Some extensions, like ghostery, seem to have a specified url under the description where it takes you to the “extension website”. It would be nice if clicking the title would direct you to that url, but the problem would be that some people might not realise you need to click the name, because it wouldn’t be in blue and underlined [like a normal url].

  • http://trustnoduck.blogspot.tw/ 茶米

    Was just wondering why you guys removed the encoding menu from Chromium, and here it is :)

  • Habl

    Please take enable DirectWrite on opera:flags. Thanks.

    • http://my.opera.com/christoph142 Christoph142

      Not sure what you’re talking about. This flag is already present in Windows version…
      Are you requesting to enable it by default?

      • Habl

        Thanks, i cant see it. Big thanks. But it dont work (

        • Leonardo Gomes

          What it should do? How can people test it?

          • 0.o

            It enables DirectWrite, better fonts i would say

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Ok, but just enablibg it would bring better fonts? Or it would depend on the site to use this feature?

          • 0.o

            It renders all fonts in a better way, so no, websites don’t have to support it seperately.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Ok, thanks for the info.

      • Habl

        Ok, I can enable it only write –no-sandbox –enable-direct-write to shortcut of launcher. Flag “Enable DirectWrite” dont take anybody with text.

        Thanks.

  • helsten2

    Two small bugs – still there … (also reported in previous developer versions):

    1. If you open opera:stash (as URL), the page is displayed left aligned without theme.

    2. If you navigate to Discover from the Speed Dial screen (using the Discover button), click on one of the articles (to read it), go back to Discover (using the Back Arrow button) and then click the Stash button – you end up with a blank screen.

    Request: Would be nice to be able to reorder the stash items (drag&drop)

  • NoName

    Ctrl+Tab does not work correctly when the Ctrl+F search input is active.
    The tab gets highlighted, but not activated.

    I got the Tab cycling flag enabled.

    Win 8

    • IllusionMH

      Confirmed.
      Tab is highlighted, but until search field has focus it doesn’t changed.

      Win 7 SP1 x64.

  • Victor

    all the extensions are broken

  • Vux777

    well, I see that admins allowed embedded images :)

    all extensions popups are blank
    http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8935/0iza.png

    • Vux777

      there is more…

      - recently closed tabs list is empty
      - recovering last closed tab from right click menu (on tab bar) didn’t work couple of times
      - MyOpera site is broken (upper right corner)
      http://prntscr.com/2hvg2l

      • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

        Have you read the blog post? There is a list of known issues including the moist severe issues already. ;)

        • Vux777

          awww…
          I always jump to download part
          sry

    • Leonardo Gomes

      It’s on known issues.

  • Dmitry Kirin

    Hi Daniel! Thanks for the first build of the year!

    Right after the upgrade, the menu font and spacing became much bigger than HiDPI would imply. You can compare the menu font size with that in other programs with standard menus (like XnView, uTorrent, etc.). Looks like a zoom factor is applied to the menu font more than once.

    What’s much worse, when HiDPI is on, links on pages are not working properly: I click a link but nothing happens; I hover the mouse pointer on a text, the pointer changes to a ‘hand’ as for a link, and the link is that which is slightly below. In the picture attached, the two red rectangles are areas which actually work as the second- and the third-row speed dials. The bug occurs not only on the SD page, but other pages as well, including settings and flags. A fresh install, without extensions, does not help.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Confirmed here. Disabling HiDPI support seems to fix it.

    • Inquisitor

      I had the same problems. Perhaps it would be better if HiDPI support in ‘flags’ was disabled by default.

      • Dmitry Kirin

        No, it wouldn’t. Provided HiDPI works properly, of course. It should be on by default so that users don’t have to set anything else once they’ve set a custom font scaling in Windows settings. This feature was turned on by default when they stabilised it, in 20.0.1346.0 (2013-12-10). It seems some recent change has broken it. Hopefully, they’ll fix it soon.

  • Chas4

    “List of recently closed tabs is always empty” Where is that in the UI?

    • Nekomajin42

      O-menu -> Recently closed

      • Chas4

        tho thats for Windows, not OS X

        • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

          It is also an empty.

    • al_ghul

      I have the same, after closing several in the recently closed there is no positions, only “empty”

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      This is combined in the History menu on Mac.

      • Chas4

        Will it be an option like in Presto in the same area (option to enable or disable the list like what presto has)

  • Tomáš Pavlík

    Any news or comments from Opera ASA about Opera for Linux?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Once they already said that it will not be a Linux build before March at least, i think there is no need of news regarding this until there.

      • Tomáš Pavlík

        Damn. Its just so annoying to be forced to use Chromium, Chrome or Firefox instead of Opera after 9 years with Opera… :( and my Arch likes a “big red O” too.. :)

      • RonaldoTT

        Where did they say this?

        – RonaldoTT

      • Guest

        Thanks. I somehow missed that announcement.

      • Tomáš Pavlík

        Thanks. Somehow i missed that announcement.

      • Tomáš Pavlík

        Thanks. Somehow i missed that announcement.

  • pajousek

    Hello!

    Please, what’s the status of DNA-12881, DNA-12822 and DNA-12832?

    And the bug with non-working search engines (when they are imported from the old Opera Link from 12.x version) still is there! It tries to search for %s instead of the given string, for example “http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25s” :(

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      We do not have a public bug database. Other readers cannot know what you are asking about based on the bug IDs. Please include more details. — and in any case, are these bugs really on topic?

      • pajousek

        Well, I reported them in September/October and would just love to hear the progres… most of them are really annoying. And I think all of them are bugs, so why wouldn’t they be on topic?

        12881 was about forced download of some photos.
        12822 about not seeing full URL.
        12832 was about translating a page in google translate and encoutering an infinite redirect loop.

  • Marcondes Afonso

    Pity our site still not playing ANY MUSIC :( Asked just god knows how many times ) Happy 2014. http://syncoriginals.com

  • Chas4

    Opera Dev 20.0.1376.0, just sitting idle in the background, CPU spiked (not the tabs but the browser itself (Task Manager (Opera) confirmed) it used about 60% cpu for a few minutes

    OS X 10.9.1

  • wheany

    A new installer! That was the feature that I was waiting for before dumping Opera 12!

    • ice007

      Same I thought! *h5*

    • Franciszek Baranowski

      Exactly! I’m so exciting! Next should be probably change shape of Opera menu button (version 21) and increase default font size in address bar (version 22).

  • Emil Huber

    I set my taskbar to autohide. But since the update Opera is in front of the taskbar and when I put the mouse at the edge of the screen the taskbar doesn’t become visible. (Only in maximized window)

    • josemuk

      Same problem here.

    • http://my.opera.com/christoph142 Christoph142

      It’s a known Chromium issue that’s being worked on… :/
      https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=279467

      • Emil Huber

        Thanks for that answer. I hope it will be fixed soon…

        • http://my.opera.com/christoph142 Christoph142

          Well, it would be a relief, but unfortunately this issue is reoccurring for years :/

          • http://www.aimwell.org/ Pesala

            So why doesn’t it happen with Opera 18, but it does with Opera 20?

            Win 7 64-bit. Taskbar on left on autohide.

          • http://my.opera.com/christoph142 Christoph142

            It actually does. But it doesn’t happen all the time.

  • Chas4

    Enable confirm quit in Opera, do Opera > Quit Opera or command q and no dialog box shows up (only a error sound effect after you do a command q)

    OS X 10.9.1

    • Darklink88

      Confirmed

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      The option string clearly says “Confirm before quitting Opera with Command-Q”. It is only intended to confirm mishaps when using the keyboard (since Q is positioned between the frequent shortcuts Command-Tab and Command-W). This works as intended.

      • Nekomajin42

        Now that you have a confirm quit function, can you apply it to the window control X button too and on Windows as well?

      • Dmitry Kirin

        Please make the same confirmation when Opera is being closed with active downloads. It’s also a kind of accessibility feature, protecting users from losing the work in case they’ve clicked/pressed a wrong button. Currently, the downloads are being interrupted upon close.

      • Chas4

        I don’t see it at all here, is it hidden behind all the windows? (a windows asking about confirm the quit)

      • Chas4

        I click Command-Q 3 times and then it quits, I don’t see a dialog box asking if I would like to quit

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          You have to hold the shortcut pressed or press it two times quickly to quit. There is no confirmation prompt in the form of a dialog or similar.

          • Chas4

            Tho you can’t tell without the dialog that the command was received

  • endl3ss

    Working great, thanks!

    • RonaldoTT

      On the bright side, your installation got much, much farther along than the installations of any of us Linux users. At least you were able to download and start to install something. We sit here weeping, with not even a download available to us.

      – RonaldoTT

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Could you provide us with any more details? Network logs, for example.

  • eduardoscorpio .

    Extension pop-out windows are blank on Windows
    how did you missed this one is beyond me

    • Leonardo Gomes

      How did you miss the known issues is beyond me. :-)

      Also, if you don’t want bugs like that, don’t use alpha builds and keep with stable ones only.

      • eduardoscorpio .

        if you checked the commentssection you would see that , this issue was pointed out by someone it was not on the changelog in the first place

        • Leonardo Gomes

          So…?

  • beBoss

    If you open link in current tab, adblock works, but if you open in new tab, then doesn’t block ads, and then opera works very slow. After an update on the opened tab adblock starts working. And this problem is from the previews release. I think is browser problem, not an extension.

  • yrwenkuw

    Hey, did you change something with how swipe gestures are handled? When I swipe to go back or forward in history Opera sometimes skips entries or goes first one step back and then another. (OS X 10.9, MacBook.)

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      There seem to be issues with some of the one-finger gestures for Magic Mouse and trackpads. Investigating.

      • yrwenkuw

        Thanks.

      • Bjarne Bertelsen

        When I scroll with two fingers on my Macbook pro Opera often changes page to the previous or even further back.

  • martrin

    Do u really think thats the most important right now ?? Lightweight network installer ? Well done ! No bookmarks not even smooth scroll … Such a lame team …lol

    • eduardoscorpio .

      yeah they keep ignoring the fans , they have absolutely ruined opera has a browser
      they have wasted so much time and resources on useless features instead of restoring the functionality the older version had

      • al_ghul

        …as they said it and promised…://

    • RonaldoTT

      Don’t forget the total lack of support for Linux. We Linux users can’t even experience the lack of bookmarks or the lack of smooth scrolling, because we can’t even run the new versions of Opera in the first place!

    • BK

      It might not be the most important thing for you, if you are lucky to browse from western part of the world, especially in Europe or US. But if you are in Asia for example, you might have serious issues to get Opera, due to very low network conditions.

      • x a

        Isn’t that more of a use case for the offline installer? Download it, when and where ever you have the opportunity to use better bandwidth and carry the installer home on a storage device; share offline installer locally with friends and family…

        • Tams80

          Ah, but that would require the understanding that there is a need for an offline installer… ;-)

        • http://my.opera.com/rafaelluik Rafael Luik

          And get everyone outdated in one and a half month where an additional 30 MB update download will be waiting to happen on the first run.

          Go tell a regular user they need a download manager to get the installer without problems (without being corrupt or incomplete).

          • x a

            How will an online installer keep someone closer up to date, who has a tiny bandwidth?

            More so, as the online installer is not to be confused with auto-update‽

          • http://my.opera.com/rafaelluik Rafael Luik

            The online installer will always give the user the latest version in the stream. The offline installer will get the user an outdated version if he uses it past one and a half month of the release.

          • x a

            So what? In my scenario, the person then cannot use Opera at all or must keep his even older Version.
            __

            Online installers have seldom been more than a disguise of the actual download size to create an impression of a light application package. The worse of them even want to hide, want you finally get.
            They would be useful, if they were ”clever“ downloaders that loaded configuration specific modules or patches.

          • http://my.opera.com/rafaelluik Rafael Luik

            I knew a conspiracy theory would appear…….

          • x a

            ???

            Or do you relate to your paranoia regarding viruses everywhere on the interwebz that will bite you ass as soon as you update your browser a second to late?

            If you like the game of Sophism – don’t waste my time.

          • http://my.opera.com/rafaelluik Rafael Luik

            “Online installers have seldom been more than a disguise of the actual download size to create an impression of a light application package.”

          • Nekomajin42

            I really don’t understand you.
            Do you have to use the online installer?
            No.
            Then what is your problem?

            This is an option. You know, once we liked Opera about its options…

          • x a

            Talking to me? If so – why do you come to the conclusion, I had a problem with an alternative net-installer?

      • IllusionMH

        Offline installation for last dev/next/stable will be available always or it is just tempopary?

        • BK

          As for today, we are planing to support both network and offline installation types.

      • danei

        No you have no idea about how people download their installer in East part of world. They use multithread downloader and download full installer rather than any crappy online installer.

        I guess you have never been out of western part of world, right? and you use your fancy imagination to figure out the fancy solution right?

        • BK

          Wow, it’s impressive to speak for more than 2*10^7 of ppl. I would be happy to hear more about the downloads habits in Asia. Where are you writing from?

  • eduardoscorpio .

    is there anything we can do so the blank popup on extensions get fixed?
    i am using the bookmark extension witch is absolutely essential for me to use opera .
    using qab is out of the question is a piss poor replacement and a waste of time, no idea why they keep insisting on it and started working on it on the first place instead of proper bookmarks

    • al_ghul

      yeah, browser’s base is an ergonomic bookmarks handling…

    • http://www.cpcwiki.eu/ Gryzor

      That’s the first time I encountered this problem, yet you make it sound like the bug existed before?

      Ever after updating to this version all my extension popus come up blank… Quite serious.

  • Alex Parker

    Housewives will be happy. Still waiting for some attention to power users.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Have another look at the changelog. We may not promote the advanced and power features and options as much as we did before. However, new stuff for this audience keeps trickling into the browser as well.

      • Emanuele

        We may not promote the advanced and power features and options as much as we did before

        yes, you’re right… You know… power users eat children…

  • meh

    opera://flags/#enable-smooth-scrolling
    does not work on Opera v19-20. However it works on v18 and Chromium.

  • Leonardo Gomes

    [off-topic suggestion]I don’t know if it’s possible but i think that guest votes (up or down) should not be allowed. Imho it would help avoiding that some trolling/rant/flamebait comments have, sometimes, i high number of fake? upvotes.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Guests can only upvote. Disqus does duplicate voting foltering based on IP, timestamps, time on page, and other things. I am not too familiar with the details

    • al_ghul

      well, off toping further on disqus;) – I don;t understand why only upvotes can be identified, not down ones…is it caused for preventing hatred and is it common disqus option??? can this be changed? i’m green-horn in it…

  • sgunhouse

    ” Why you would ever do an offline installation of a web browser is beyond me, but there is always that one case where it is needed.”
    Most obvious thing in the world – viewing documentation on a CD-ROM, we had several developers ask if they were allowed to include the old Presto versions on a CD-ROM for that purpose. Though I suppose accessing an internal network is also a good one …

  • al_ghul

    I’m re-paste it from 1353 dev version page, cause it can be missed.

    One request/prepositions for developers and one bug(?).

    1. REQUEST:
    context menu: when not direct hyperlink appears in text (wrong parcing, errors etc.), after highlighting portion of text there is a position in context menu: “go to address” which change CURRENT page to that in highlighted text. but sometimes there is a need to open it in a NEW tab, NOT current. it will be nice to add such position in context menu (or some smart shortcut for it). context menu with positions “find” and “find with” finds phrase in new tab, so it will be nice to have similar behaviour of these:)

    2. BUG:
    tab switching – i’m using switching, where after ctrl+TAB tab is changed to the previous one (not in FF/IE style), but sometimes after pressing ctrl+TAB, the switching doesn’t happened – but only the previous tab button is highlighted, and nothing’s change.

    Regards:)

  • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

    Two users have been banned from commenting due to repeated thread hijacking and clickbaiting/spam. Two other comments were deleted as spam.

    Our commenting policy can be found at http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/comment-policy/

  • iG0Lka

    Auto-update after I have ceased to display text in the windows extensions…

    How to disable this f auto-update?!
    I want to make the decision himself and be able to roll back to normal!11!

    I put all versions in a folder, select the “usb storage”.
    Until today everything was wonderful!
    I began to put the 19-th version of the Opera in General ceased to run!
    I began to put the 18-th. It also does not start.
    Had to delete the Opera completely from scratch and put the 18-th version.
    I’m f…ng with this already more 4 hours !!1!
    I’m furious!1!

    In addition the font menu and the bookmarks list, was very fine!11!
    I have the screen 2560 x 1600 resolution, font settings, it is not affected.
    To me that through the Loupe view?

    Why do you break?!

  • VocRev T

    I’ve noticed that youtube works fine again
    I deleted previous “youtube fix” browser.js patch and youtube was working fine, loading and playing html5 videos normally..
    But after a while, patch was downloaded again forcing to flash
    Do you have to remove the patch, or do you think youtube is not working well yet?

    • Marcin Mitek

      We decided to keep the patch because in some cases YouTube is serving some HTML5 videos with lower quality. So it’s better to have Flash in 1080p than HTML5 in 360/480p, right?

  • Tarulia

    This version breaks the auto-hiding task bar feature of windows (7). I can’t get the task bar to reappear when Opera is maximized on the main screen and the active application. When I switch to another application via alt-tab it works fine, so it doesn’t seem to be a windows bug. Also worked fine with previous version.

  • IllusionMH

    Developer tools in 20 Dev (19 Next too) always show “Screen emulation is not available for this page.”. Chrome/Chrome Canary are fine.

    Tried even on this page – same result.

    Win 7 SP1 x64

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Where is this option? Developer Tools here doesn’t have anything related to “screen emulation”.

      • http://lemcgregor3.wordpress.com/ Léon McGregor

        Click the cog icon to go to settings > general > appearance > show “emulation”. I’m not sure if you need to enable a flag or not.
        Then click the >= icon on the toolbar, and emulation should appear.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          There isn’t even an “appearance” section under settings here.

          May have a flag involved. Or something is wrong here.

      • IllusionMH

        It has. But can’t reproduce this problem on Win8.1
        http://take.ms/BJN5D
        (may be you shoud check Settings > Appearance > Show ‘Emulation’ view in console drawer. in DevTools)

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Ok, i think i found it. It. It’s under Web Inspector, that’s why i couldn’t find before as i was looking on another place.

  • oic

    Most ppl prefer offline version imho. Not only does it act as a backup for when you need it, it makes you in control instead of someone else

    • Nekomajin42

      Both of them have benefits. With this release strategy, you rarely intall the same build more than once, so most of the time you have to download it.
      And you still have the offline option, so no problem here.

  • Ghirahim

    There are STILL problems with some pictures. Example:

    http://abload.de/img/operab1pvd.png

    WHY?!

    • Marcin Mitek

      We already reverted some changes causing it, they didn’t make it to this build, it is already fixed internally on both branches (Next/Dev).

      • 0.o

        Next week update? Most likely? Not likely? Maybe?

        • Marcin Mitek

          100%

      • Ghirahim

        Great, thanks.

  • rpsgc

    “Why you would ever do an offline installation of a web browser is beyond me.”

    Because servers never fail, right?

  • Андрей

    Добавили веб-инсталлятор – прогресс и великий шаг для разработчиков мертвого браузера.

  • beBoss

    Problems with protocols and certificates?
    Can’t open mega.co.nz. Sometimes “This webpage is not available”, sometimes white screen with invalid certificate.

    Sometimes facebook is with invalid certificate….

    • Dmitry Kirin

      I noticed it too. But I thought it was due to my experiments with clean and not-so-clean installation. Anyway, logging off and back on helps.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      No problems with Mega or Facebook here. Other secure sites seem fine too.

    • beBoss

      Cleaning browsing cache and relogin, doesn’t work….

    • NoName

      I also have this issue on all my machines. I tried a fresh USB installation, but the problem persist.

      If I install build 1353 it works just fine.

      Note that I have to use an offline installer, to be able to install an old version, to test if this is a regression.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      The most common reason for SSL issues is due to the clock, date, or time zone on your machine being set incorrectly.

      • Guest

        Seems ok to me.

      • beBoss

        Opera/Chrome

  • Tams80

    So, Opera 200 by the time we get some new and unique features, or is that just for the return of some old features?

    OK joking aside, it seems like you are just treading water. It doesn’t matter to us the end user what you are working on if we have next to no idea what you are working on.

    Additions to Blink et al. are all well and good, but where are some features normal users will see and use?

    You complain about us complaining about version numbering; saying development is streamlined now. If it is streamlined, then why does it seem that no major features have been added for months? Not even to developer builds.

  • Pascal.

    Please add full url option :/ and please add much more options so I can configure opera like I want it :/

    • Leonardo Gomes

      It was already said that full url may be coming back . So it’s just a question of time.

      • Pascal.

        That’s great to hear! :-)

      • BK

        Correct, DNA-8944.

  • Bondarev.Dmitriy

    Hello! I want to offer you back a function that was in the Opera Presto. This information about how many kilobytes saved using Off-Road mode. This feature is useful when a slow connection, always want to know how many kilobytes saved when the page loads by using a proxy Opera. Please,return it!

    • Emil Huber

      That’s a good point. Please reimplement this function. Thanks

    • Vux777

      while on that subject…
      I’ve noticed that new Off-road 2 from time to time doesn’t compress images
      Maybe it’s just a hiccup or back to old turbo way of not compressing images when opened in new tab

  • x a

    Was it by coincidence or by design, that after downgrading from this build to the previous dev-build Opera ate all memory after first showing windowframe and then hung – on every attempt?

    I could investigate the “Web Data” db to contain the cause. Deleting it and letting Opera re-create it would solve the issue – but in order not to lose my customized search engines, I re-created it myself from a dump of the malfunctioning db: leaving out autofill data and/or decreasing last_compatible_version from 53? to 48 and version from 54 to 53 did the job and convinced Opera to start up poperly.

  • Sierra

    So annoying in O19 and 20 before page fully loads.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Not happening here. Or not noticiable at least.

    • Vux777

      did you change some of the flags?
      composing and GPU related?

      • Sierra

        No.
        I tried with clean installation, but problem persists.

    • meh

      Same here. I reported the problem a couple of times already, and it’s still there. It’s a Chromium bug and I guess Opera can’t do anything about it.

      The great things that happen when you’re not using your own engine! //sarcasm

  • jason

    no linux version of the installer!? u srs mate!?

  • http://colector.ucoz.com/ Teodor Cristian Trusca

    “…Why you would ever do an offline installation of a web browser is beyond me, but there is always that one case where it is need”
    Well first we need off-line installation plus we need to have them with the auto-updated disabled to, like a manual work to our browser we need to know which version are good so we know what off-line version we need to install… so they will at least work good. No ?
    Plus this is a developers version so they are full off problems and having an auto update on is a bad way to make our opera go broke…. So manual offline work is needed at maximum.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      There is no auto-updater as it asks the user if (s)he wants to upgrade, but an automatic download(er) of the lastest build.

      And it’s easy to revert back to the old one if the case.

      • Dovelove

        HOW?? Don’t just answer please you are assuming again. Please refer to my post to this and my own.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          How what? And i’m assuming what?

          I don’t reply based on assumptions and if i do that, i will make it clear.

      • http://colector.ucoz.com/ Teodor Cristian Trusca

        Is good that Opera ask first. I was thinking more of Google Chrome they have auto-updater… and good is that in there Offline installer the auto-updater is not working.
        But for the Automatic download(er) it will be more better to have an advanced one with more options like to have the last 2 builds at least or to have the possibility to chose which builds we want to download so we will not need to search the old builds on the Internet… Like to make a Automatic full builds download(er).

    • Dovelove

      Ditto agree see my post…I didn’t see his reply UNTIL I did mine. I agree with you but neddless to say they don’t make ANYTHING CLEAR.

    • icetom

      the question why we need an offline installation is just ignorant.
      I always have a setup-DVD everytime I install a new Windows with antivirus, patches etc. Because I do not want to connect it to the Internet unsecure.

      Companys nowadays are shifting everything to cloud and online and what do we get? Users lose control over their computer and get security breaches due to automated processes, hackers invading our computers.

  • Jorton

    The first letter is duplicated when Chinese Pinyin is used as the input method. For example, when “www” is input using Microsoft pinyin the address bar shows “wwww”. Could you guys pay attention to this issue?

    • BK

      Thanks a lot for this report.

    • Toshiyuki Saito

      What exact version(Simplified Chinese or Traditional, ABC input or new experience input)? On the first survey, it works for me with Simplified/ABC input .

      • Jorton

        I am using the microsoft pinyin

        • Toshiyuki Saito

          Simplified Chinese for PRC? Checked it with 20 Dev, still unable to reproduce.

          • Jorton

            What’s you OS? Mine is windows 8.1. I am using simplified Chinese.

  • Jorton

    another bug I would like to report is that the auto-hided taskbar doesn’t show up with the opera browser windows being maximized when the cursor moves to the taskbar location.

  • Guest

    This is the REVOLUTION.
    P.S. When can i use Opera Sync to restore my old passwords?

    • Operalino

      At this point: no. Opera sync doesn’t support password sync right now for post-presto (Version 15+)..

  • Dovelove

    I guess I’m the oddball out there I want control over updates etc.where, when and how as in ver 12. I may not want to load it at that time WHY don’t you give the choice of RUNNING or Saving as you used to do?

    Are people so lazy or dumb? Example: TEA..I don’t want sugar in mine but they only sell sugared around here they have without but often are out. IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO PUT SUGAR IN YOUR TEA??? I see this as the same problem, someone or something taking over my thinking and/or choice..

    I’m sure commenting on a program I know nothing about because I really don’t know WHY they want to split programs up as it was in “batch” processing. Last time I auto updated Opera I lost everything because of bugs in the database part of it and wrote over the stable I was using. I’m STILL having to deal with that old problem. SO give me a choice to SAVE and/or manual.update.

    I want the panels on and on so I am STILL using “old” presto Opera and 90% of the time it is usable.

    I won’t be using Opera until more is updated. Imports from Presto are FAILSAFE and more is finished. Still waiting ….in the meantime I’ll use Presto and PLAY around with Chromium engine version. Very rarely will I make a comment anymore because I guess I’m in the minority in ALL aspects. Thanks.

    • icetom

      your point is to have manual updates.

      Dont write so long and come to the point :P

      I agree, autoupdate is just stupid because new versions of Opera often implement new bugs.

  • SLR

    You care about bandwidth in developing countries? Because I live in one, and I have 3 PCs each with opera installed and one of them also have developer. If you decided to updated the stable stream twice a month, and the developer stream 3 times a month, you cost me around 270MB. how about you give us the option to disable autoupdate or at least set the time when autoupdate is allowed?

    And the network installer will still download 30mb of data everytime. would I really care about saving 785KB in my case?

    • BK

      Yes, I confirm we do care about bandwidth. Therefore we are working on binary diff upgrade feature. It will make upgrade packages as small as possible.

      Network Installer serves different purpose – to download and installs Opera successfully.

      • Nekomajin42

        Will you use this new feature in the built-in autoupdate system as well?

        • BK

          Maybe I was not super clear, but yeah, binary-diff feature is first of all intended for auto update system.

      • http://my.opera.com/rafaelluik Rafael Luik

        Hey, good news!
        It’s refreshing to hear that after years of full size Opera upgrade packages. Thanks.

      • Mithaldu

        Wow, way to dodge the feature request that actually matters.

  • Jabber00

    Are you going to change the top bar set up? For example, by reducing the space above tab bar when Opera in not maximized? Imho, there are too many unused pixel now!

    • http://lemcgregor3.wordpress.com/ Léon McGregor

      I think there’s an option to reduce those unused pixels. Go to settings > User interface. You need the advanced settings turned on.

      • Jabber00

        I said “when Opera is not maximized” as I was aware if that option! ;-)

  • Emil Huber

    I have recognized a problem:
    Old HDD’s and generally all new SSD’s have not much space for saving files.
    With every new update Opera just downloads the new version and the old version can be found in the “Program Files” folder also. Now that was my problem and after using Opera for a couple of month now my HDD space was nearly empty.
    Idea: Let the previous version be there but delete all older versions with a new update. (If you want you can let the last 3 versions or something like that be there – but there have been 13 versions for me in this folder. That’s to much…)

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Unless there is a bug, only the last two (or three?) builds are kept after a new one is installed so you’ll have the current one and the previous two.

      This way, if the new build has any problem, you can just delete its folder and return back to the old one.

  • Olli

    Very annoying bug on OS X 10.9.1 concerning my Macbook Pro trackpad. Two finger-swipe left makes you go back a page (it should be three fingers), while a three finger swipe to the right makes you go a page forward. Since this two finger-swipe is also VERY sensitive, scrolling on trackpad becomes unusable.

  • BamBam

    What data about my machine is the installer sending back to Opera?

    Will the installer be fixed to work with corp firewalls?

    Will versions of opera be put out that will be stand alone install for network admins? (We have 40 machines with Opera).

    We never were successful in installing this version, “download failed”. After 30 mins I gave up.

    • BK

      Currently installer is not sending any data about your PC back to Opera.

      Offline installer will still be supported.

      Can you let us know a bit more details about your firewall configuration?

      • BamBam

        If not to gather system information, then what is the point of a downloader? Why would you add needless complexity and a fresh point-of-failure for installs? What do you guys get out of that? Why make this a two step process? If they can download and run the installer – then it works. Why add a down loader.

        It makes Opera much less portable and accessible. It also makes it much less secure in a corp environment because Opera can’t be trusted now.

        If not to collect and transmit system information, then clearly, there are unspoken motives here. Ad serving?

        90% of the chrome install failures are the fault of the downloader:
        http://www.bing.com/search?q=chrome+install+failures

        #justsayin

        • BK

          Browsers initiated downloads are often less prone to network errors. We have introduced special handling for NI to survive lack of network or transmissions errors, so that people on poor network conditions can obtain full Opera package.

    • BK

      Might it be that your firewall is filtering User Agent string ?

  • Vux777

    there is weird scrolling issue (delay) on some sites
    like on this one:
    http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webcomponents/imports/

    • icetom

      yeah I often can not scroll on many sites with Opera 18, then have to use the sidebar.

      • Vux777

        Yea, sometimes it happens to me that page can’t be scrolled with mouse wheel, only scroll bars. Usually on Outlook Web mail
        but this was different kind of bug

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Seems ok here. But yes, sometimes scrolling seems strange.

      • Vux777

        it’s GPU compositing on all pages thats causing it
        I’ve disable it and scrolling was choppy

    • Ralf Brinkmann

      I don’t see any difference to other sites.

      • Vux777

        it doesn’t freeze for you for about 1 sec and then jump fast?

        • Ralf Brinkmann

          No, it runs absolutely regularly, constant and smooth. And I see no reason why it should be different, There is nearly only text, no big images.

          • Vux777

            I disabled one flag about GPU and messed scrolling on some sites

  • bitch_please

    Will Opera link ever be integrated in new Opera and opera for android? Are you even working on that because I haven’t head of it for a long time. It’s a must-have feature.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Opera Blink uses another sync solution but i guess that Link data will be merged to Sync one when the last be fully working.

    • BK

      Of course we, meaning Opera company, are working on introducing synchronization across all the devices. We have some difficulties though getting it working properly.
      Some basic synchronization might be not that far away. In the mean time, we are working on changed approach to sync, a concept that should work better for you across different devices.

  • Footman

    Back / Forward gestures on mac are broken and buggy now.

  • http://my.opera.com/christoph142 Christoph142

    To those guys in the engine department:
    can you pull https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=321305 into 33?
    I intended to implement “Open” for files with it in http://christoph142.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/download-control-1-0-alpha-3/ for Opera 20. Otherwise I’d have to strip down the extension’s functionality or delay it until Opera 21.

  • Vladrial

    **Generic search icon in address field on Speed Dial**

    I noticed something in the address bar. When I start typing in address bar the icon for the default search engine shows up. Even when I delete the search term, and click using the mouse in the speed dial or any part of the browser to draw the focus away, the icon for the search engine is still displayed. It only changes to default ( O icon in previous, generic search icon in developer ) disappears only when I refresh the speed dial, or I open another speed dial page and switch between speed dial pages.

    First I thought it was by design, but it could be a bug (That’s why I didn’t report it).

    Its not intrusive though, I am just saying. I can live with it.

    * Confirmed in latest developer version 20.0.1376 ( Win x64 )
    * Confirmed in stable version 18.0.1284.68 ( Win x64 )

    Thanks for the developer version.

  • Vux777

    when window is maximized, double click on tab bar empty space does nothing
    (it should “restore down”)

    • al_ghul

      it works in mine! O20 20.0.1376.0, but I remember I had similar problem few days ago in that version…hmmm…strange!

      • Vux777

        I’ve disabled all extensions and reset all to defaults in experiments, but still… dbl click does nothing on empty tab bar space

  • Heimen Stoffels

    And still no Linux support… wow. The promise of having a Linux version by Opera 20 is broken. It would’ve been nice if they at least told us why… Ah well, I’ve ditched Opera anyway after they abandoned 12.x so it doesn’t really matter for me.

    • blackcoder

      There was no promise.

      • Heimen Stoffels

        Ah, so a promise on Facebook and My Opera in reply to my question on Linux support made by someone who works for Opera was no real promise? Thanks for letting me know, now I have *the* reason to never use Opera again if they have someone in their company who lies…

        • Nekomajin42

          Any source?

          • 0.o
          • Nekomajin42

            He said nothing about version numbers, there are only two months passed, and he used the phrase “at least”.

          • 0.o

            Also i didn’t say anything about version numbers. But since you wanted source there it is

          • Nekomajin42

            You didn’t say anything about version numbers, but the author of this thread did.

          • 0.o

            You didn’t respond to the author, you responded for the guy who linked the comments and you asked source (???)

          • Nekomajin42

            At first, I responded to Heimen Stoffels. Later I responded to you too.
            Anyway, this disqus system is a crap. It shows comments with some twisted logic.

        • blackcoder

          As Leonardo Gomes already said a few days ago don’t except a build for linux before march.
          http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/01/netinstaller-developer-20-0-1376-0/#comment-1193857657
          http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=15020562

          And that is as far as i know the current status.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Do you have the link for the forum post? Or for the FB one?

          And it ws really a promisse? Or it was just a planning?

  • lucero jr.

    I’m not an user of the developer stream, but for crying out loud, you’ve gotten the ABBA song stuck in my head now

    • zeum

      “am I the only one who’s spotted the verse?”

      uhhhh….Its pretty obvious dude so I assume everyone noticed. Your just “That guy” that felt compelled to say something off topic about it.

      Lets see… The verse for a song called “Happy New Year” is in a sentence that is specifically talking about “New Years” by a Scandinavian company about a Scandinavian band. Wow! Really obscure!!

      Always kinda makes me giggle when people that live sheltered lives think they spot some obscure reference like they have some amazing skills of perception. “ooh look at me and how smart I am, Please notice me and give me attention.” These same people just did not get enough coddling as children or something and need affirmation, a cookie and a pat on the back!

      Heres a cookie Captain Obvious!!!

  • Ice007

    A changed behavior bothering me since the beginning of the new Opera browser: The string http:// is not longer marked in the dialog if you would like to insert an address in a web link. The string http:// in Presto was checked by default. In order to insert an URL only a simple [Ctrl]+[V] was needed. This doesn´t work anymore. You have either to remove or mark http:// before you insert the URL, since otherwise the address begins with http://http:// and causes a link error.

    I´d prefer you change this to the old behavior. Is there any chance in the future?

    I also opened a thread in the “Desktop wish list”, which perhaps explains it better: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1812132&t=1389543652&page=1#comment15087312

  • Ice007

    A changed behavior bothering me since the beginning of the new Opera browser: The string http:// is not longer marked in the dialog if you would like to insert an address in a web link. the string http:// in Presto was checked by default. In order to insert an URL only a simple [Ctrl]+[V] was needed. This doesn´t work anymore. Now you have either to remove or mark http:// before you insert the URL, since otherwise (e.g. forget it) the address begins with http://http:// and causes a link error.

    I´d prefer you change this to the old behavior.

    I also opened a thread in the Desktop wish-list (including a snapshot) that maybe explains it better: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1812132&t=1389545190&page=1#comment15087312

  • Franciszek Baranowski

    Do that “lightweight” network installer installs smaller Opera version or what? I bet that network installer must download Opera installer anyway, place it in temp directory somewhere, run proper insaller and install Opera. So,after all, number of bytes needs to download increases.

    • BK

      You are right as to the current state. Still, it might provide everyone on poor network significant improvement in download experience.

      We are already working on making the NI smarter, that is, only what’s needed for you will be downloaded (ie language packs), and there will be no two separate “installers”.

    • DD64

      It’s funny that _even_ Opera 20 is much better than Chrome

  • Guest

    nvm

  • guest6768

    OMG a new installer. Awesome….
    Chropera dudes wake up. If you haven’t realized already it is not raining, just everyone is spitting on you…

  • Francois Martin

    When will the integration of a bookmarks manager? … with export and import bookmarks in a file ” .html “.

  • http://spyderzt.blogspot.com/ Spyder Z

    I wonder… do we have an updated Timeline for the return of lost functionality? Specifically I’m just waiting until the Sync Data that was originally the reason (Plus Mouse Gestures. ;P) I jumped wholly on the Opera Wagon (Notes and Bookmarks with usable interfaces mainly…). I find myself using Chrome more and more… and I’d really love to come back. I installed my first Chrome Extension the other day, and I ‘could’ imitate all the functionality I loved about ‘Out of the Box’ Opera, and that’s disappointing. I’ve been with you guys since I had to pay to remove ads, and it’s sad to find myself drifting away. ;?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Nope, there isn’t a public roadmap/timeline.

      Sync is already there but it works only for Speed Dial, Stash and Custom Searches atm and, afaik, it’s not connected with Link so you can’t restore your Presto SD and/or Searches.

      Mouse Gestures are there too, maybe not all of them.

      Notes probably will not come back.

  • Guest

    Nevermind – read the known issues.

  • ABDX

    Can u please add an option to remove/hide that huge and ugly Google search box from the speed dial screen, or add the option to customize the look of that page (hide the + box, change the size of the shortcut box… etc)

    • http://lemcgregor3.wordpress.com/ Léon McGregor

      You can do most of those things, except hide the [+] box. Got to settings > Browser > And type the konami code using keyboard arrows: U U D D L R L R then the letters B A. then you should be given options to customize the speed dial accordingly.

      Why these are considered “advanced”, I have no clue. but this should help.

      • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

        Wow. Nice tips. Very useful :)

      • ABDX

        Thanks a lot, but why these simple tasks need a code to enable them ….?!?!?

        • Leonardo Gomes

          - To avoid that average users start playing a lot with settings and ends messing up things;

          - To avoid that many users remove the search box. Opera needs the revenue that comes from it.

          • Łukasz Darzki

            I can only assume that all that available-for-everyone options in old opera:config made sooo many users mad at Opera for giving them away to change. Just imagine this – your first visit in opera:config, first warning that changing some of this may break Opera, but you are not afraid of changes, you just click everything knowing it will bring best of your browser. And then, unable to change it back you just said “What a stupid browser, why you gave me all this options?! I am going back to IE!! Stupid Opera”. And so cycle continued for years. Right now we have “Where can I change font size. Oh right, there were some code to input. Let mi google it for 30 min. Found it! ‘Do you want to uncover super-user options?’ ‘YES, now I can change font size! What a great browser. I love you, Opera, you are the chosen one!’”.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Well, there are/were many cases of people who posted, sometimes in a angry way, on the forums complaining about something that wasn’t working as should that, in the end, just found out that everything was being caused by some option that they changed and just have forgot about.

          • ABDX

            the solution can be summarized in one picture:
            - The permanent Google search bar is small and located above
            - the customization is handled by using the box on the right (gliders, check boxes… etc)

  • http://lemcgregor3.wordpress.com/ Léon McGregor

    Anyone getting “blurring” when a tab is selected? http://i.imgur.com/CMPW4Z2.gif

    [Edit: This seems to only be happening on opera://* pages]

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Not noticing it here.

    • IllusionMH

      Can’t confirm.
      Win7 x64 SP1

  • Guillaume

    Hi,
    I’m still using opera 12 and decided to test newer version of Opera.
    I tried this version as well as v19 but I haven’t been able to display the menu bar with “file …” I never jumped to chrome partly because of that :)
    How to display the menu ?
    Thanks

    • Leonardo Gomes

      There is no menu bar. And probably will never be.

      • al_ghul

        that’s a pity:/

  • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

    Does anyone notice that sub folders in big QAB lists are not clickable with cursor? Sub folders in big QAB lists go up when you try to click with mouse.
    I have reported as DNA-15415

  • Francois Martin

    “Recently Closed”: it remains empty.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Please read the topic, specially the “Known Issues” part.

      • Francois Martin

        yes I saw after posted

  • nanana1

    New Opera Developer Build 1380 available now for our testing !

  • UMaster 7

    embedded gCalendar is working again :)

    “Diese Webseite hat eine Weiterleitungsschleife” (= website got a redir loop) @ Opera 18.0 final ;)

    Win8.1×64

  • http://my.opera.com/christoph142 Christoph142

    omg I hope you’re working on HiDPI a bit faster -.-
    Opera is completely unusable with and without the current implementation behind its flag at the moment on my new machine (3200*1800 @ 13,3″)
    I guess I have to use IE until you fix that o.O

  • sephie

    Installed Opera Next. Then installed Opera Developer. Laughed at the bookmarks bar. Cried a bit too. Went back to Opera 12.

    Nope. Went to Firefox instead after using Opera since version 6 and made some drama about it here.

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  • ray nassar

    Everyone here is much more knowledgeable than I, but I know this, I still use Opera 12.16 after trying all the new ones and I think it is pretty good. Thois newest 20, you click on Opera and the whole things falls down. I spotted Chropme’s open dorrway to malware etc last year, and the experts called me dunny, but now they have admitted it. Maybe Opera has to be studied in a couiple courses to understand hwo to use ti to its capabilities. But most of us just want to turn this thing on, and have the tools we choose work, and not complicate things. I put 70 to 90 hours a week in, and i cannot use somethign that requires me to learn new systems etc. They have I agree with a couple of you, ruined what was my favorite browser. needs to be a user manuel there OPERA…..