Opera Developer update 23.0.1522.0

Today we’re moving the developer stream to version 23.0.1522.0. We have a new feature that is fairly close to being finished, and we’ve also fixed an important issue based on your feedback (scroll to the bottom of the post for more information).

Import from other browsers on first run

We want the conversion from other browsers to Opera to be as convenient as possible, and with this build we’re doing a silent import on first run (or if you have an empty profile). The feature looks up your current default browser, and then imports passwords, cookies, history and bookmarks to get you up and running with Opera without having to start from scratch.

How you choose to import them is up to you. Open opera://bookmark-importer or use the menu (the option may be not accessible if there is noting to import):

  • Windows: Opera menu > More tools > Bookmark importer
  • Mac: Menu View > Show Bookmark Importer

The importer allows to convert bookmarks to either Speed Dial or the bookmarks bar. If you can’t see the bookmarks bar, you can enable it from Opera’s settings:

bookmark_bar

Known issues:

  • Opera does not support silent import from Firefox 3.xx and below.
  • Mac: Can’t import password from Firefox.

Misc

You may notice that we have disabled the heart animation on the address bar. It will return when we’ve improved it a bit.

Opera doesn’t start after updating

Some were having problems restarting Opera after the previous upgrade (23.0.1514.1). We identified and fixed an issue with extensions which will hopefully solve the problem.

Downloads

Full changelog

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  • L33t4opera

    Hi Przemek, thanks for the really quick update ;-)

  • Nekomajin42

    This bookmark importer thing does not work for me at all. It doesn’t matter if I choose the SD or the BB option, the next page is empty. It didn’t work before and it doesn’t work now.

    • Inquisitor

      Same here. (Win7/64)

    • Der Herr Nick

      Confirmed on Win7 (32bit).

  • Inquisitor

    Start-up issue fixed. :)

    Extensions not appearing on speed dial not yet fixed?

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      Yes, starting up again. Thanks :)

  • knoelli

    Thanks for the update. However extensions which show a speed dial entry still don’t show content (the speed dial is white with a grey globe in the center). The extension is loaded as clicking the speed dial is possible and links to the correct page. (Win 8.1/64)

  • merteer

    Bookmarks should be converted to stash . And also u should enable stash search in adress bar . And all this bookmark thing would be solved.

  • http://varabi.ovh.org/ Varabi

    How about to add a button or keyboard shortcut for hide / show (toggle) bookmarks bar on Windows?

    • http://ratkutti.wordpress.com Karthikeyan

      Yes, it’d be great. I don’t want to lose space in the UI all the time. a toggle/keyboard shorcut would be super helpful.

  • Vux777

    about flag #enable-automatic-password-saving
    does it saves passwords after sucessful login or…

    and btw, I can’t type in disqus comment box
    Had to write this in notepad and copy/paste it here

    • RX-3200

      to turn back “type” you must disable or set to default opera://flags/#text-input-focus-manager flag

      • Vux777

        it started to work after disabling/enabling extensions and reseting all flags to default
        I’ve tested just now with “Experimental text input focus manager.” flag enabled. works fine….
        it’s dark sorcery …some sort of ๏̯͡๏

  • Inquisitor

    Strange… I don’t see the ‘Bookmark Importer ‘ in the Opera Menu:

    • rufu2

      Me, too. Win7 x64 with brand new USB installation.

      Also, clicking on the link: opera://bookmark-importer does not do anything, not even open an empty page.

      Przemek wrote: “the option may be not accessible if there is noting to import” — so I guess the automated search did not find my standard browser (O12, regular installation).

      • Nekomajin42

        Same here.

        • mb

          Also nothing from IE11 or Opera 12. (Win 8.1 Update 1 x64)

      • rufu2

        To clarify, copy-pasting the opera://bookmark-importer/ link works, it brings up a page where I can choose the bookmark bar or speed dial. But after that, no bookmarks are found to be imported.

        • Guest

          .

        • Robert Carnegie

          I don’t remember if “opera” internal function URLs can be launched from a web page. I can see that generally you may not want to let a web page control your browser’s configuration. And particularly the acquiring of other programs’ passwords et-cetera.

      • fanboy punisher

        I assume that if someone had installed Opera 12 as an admin and Opera 23 as a user, the user privileges can’t detect the admin’s.

    • Wraith

      Same here!

    • Yves

      Me too!

  • http://toxprox.tumblr.com/ Eric

    Yup the “Opera doesn’t start after updating” “bug” is fixed for me, I couldn’t run Opera since.

    • Vux777

      in which chrome channel?
      I also have problems with iframes in dev/canary builds (they don’t load css)
      but works fine in stable (same as in Opera stable)

      • http://toxprox.tumblr.com/ Eric

        That code snippet I gave works in all Chrome channels from Stable up to Canary, but doesn’t work in any channel of Opera at all as I’m aware of.

        • Vux777

          oh
          I thought that may be similar to my problem but obviously is not
          iFrames in any dev and canary build won’t load css for iframe children
          I made sample ext… here
          in sable (opera and chrome) works fine…dev and next (also dev and canary) bugged

  • Nekomajin42

    What if want to import from my other browsers? An option would be good to manually browse any profile directory from the file system.

    • rufu2

      Agree.

    • Laga Mahesa

      Seconded. I know many people who run multiple browsers, and not all of them have the same content in the bookmarks. At work, for example, I have a ‘Master’ browser for cloning to the lab desktops (Opera Stable, barely any bookmarks) via robocopy while I run Opera Developer as my primary. It was only recently that I stopped using v12 for the lab machines.

      • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

        > I have a ‘Master’ browser for cloning to the lab desktops (Opera Stable, barely any bookmarks) via robocopy

        That’s a date with danger.

        • Laga Mahesa

          Why so? Everything is self contained in the Opera folder. A batch file running a FOR loop updates all workstations while I have a cup of tea.

          • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

            I hadn’t understood correctly. I thought you were replacing the stable DBs with your developer profile. Now I see what you’re doing and it’s obviously not dangerous.

  • rufu2

    Some of the tabs of the saved session are still loading forever and do not stop. Interestingly, some of the tabs have been restored OK now.
    Am I the only one who has this behavior?

    • rufu2

      Tested again with lazy session loading on and off and the experimental flag on and off. Also tried disabling all tab related extensions. No change, except it’s back to _none_ of the tabs being restored.

      • Marcin Mitek

        Hmm, seems to be working for me but I will pass it to other QAs. Thanks for the report.

  • rufu2

    What was the old command-line flag to import bookmarks from O12 again? I remember this worked for me on a early version like 16 or so.

  • nom4d3

    So… Now Opera can import bookmarks… this is cute. We just need a useful manager to use them.

    • doblecero

      You mean.. we need a useful browser and not a cheap copy of chrome

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Did it work for you? I just BM’d One Drive site in Firefox and O23 doesn’t show anything. It only detects those BM’s I had in Prestopera.

  • Gabriel Castro

    Wow! Bookmarks importer! Great!
    Oh.. wait.. we don’t have a proper bookmark manager to sort all this bookmarks now..
    And this is clearly to attract new users from other browsers. What about the loyal users that keep asking for a proper bookmark system and management, synchronization and other stuff that keeps us stuck on Opera 12?

    • Wraith

      Yeap I agree,without a bookmark manager is a little frustating !, and I want full sync too.!

      • Olav

        full sync yes! but i give chrome a chance, it sync bookmarks and extensions and many more.

    • Sax

      Well it’s getting clearer and clearer that they are much more interested in making Opera ever more accessible than including features.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        Opera 15 seems like the golden age of it.

        =)

    • Krzysztof Pogłódek

      I agree.

      Was using Opera since version 6 and since than I was able to store and manage my bookmarks!

      • Cicuta

        how did you do that? my opera browser does not show that option (import/export) under Settings.

        • Krzysztof Pogłódek

          Since Opera 6 till 12 bookmark manager was normal option in Opera. Simple as that.

          • Cicuta

            I fit is that simple, then why Import/Export option does not show under Settings? It shows a lot of crap except Import/Export.

          • Krzysztof Pogłódek

            Maybe because you are using Opera Next?

    • Gray Jaded

      The most important thing is making sure they keep 90% of their 2% market share happy.

      Because adding a feature that browsers with the other 98% employ is a bad idea.

  • Vux777

    why simple, when you can complicate things
    instead of simple HTML bookmark file importer somewhere in options (any other browser that I know can import/export it)
    you creating silent imports that don’t work :/
    btw. something silent and without user approval is wrong

    • Nekomajin42

      Oh yes! At least it should ask for permission.

    • Fhury

      Agreed, this bookmark saga is just getting more silly with every release. Almost 100% of the feedback seems to be ignored and priority is themes and silent everything… I am looking forward to the next blog post from Opera or perhaps I missed it already cause they switched to silent blogging hrhrhr

    • Robert Carnegie

      I assume that Opera Software ASA had the discussion internally – but I agree that silently acquiring passwords and secured cookies from other browsers is suspicious behaviour. And what if there’s then an Opera security bug and someone’s bank password is stolen, that the person never typed into Opera anyway?

      Not to mention the demands of, uh, the Norway government.

      On the other hand, it’s possibly surprising that Opera -can- pick up the passwords and cookies set in other browsers.

      Anyway, it’s much, much better to ask the user if they want that.

      Then there was the thing of silently becoming the user’s default browser upon installation.

      Maybe the plan now is to say, “Opera would like to be your default browser, Mr Robet Carnegie whose bank account number is 771351 200203. You see what close friends we are already. What a pity if that friendship ended.” (That is not my bank account number. It is the price code on my TV guide magazine. Or maybe they are both the same number. Why would I tell you what isn’t my bank number? I already know you keep track of me so closely!)

    • Cicuta

      I agree… the only thing I like about opera is that is very fast. Other than that it does not come close to IE and Motzilla in user friendliness. The bookmark manager really sucks.

  • serendipity1002

    fonts in Wikipedia pages and some other websites appear broken (i turned on DirectWrite but other sites seem fine)

  • helsten2

    Hmm, the score in the Peacekeepers Universal Browser Test is falling with every update. In V21 I scored 4100 on my desktop. Now I am down to 3400…
    Win7x64

  • SQL

    DNA-21444 net_installer doesn’t build in 64-bit
    What? Is there a 64 bit version of Opera somewhere available, or is this your internal build still? Or do you mean when the OS is 64 bit? Your changelogs are confusing.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Chromium recently announced a 64-bit build, did they not? Things are always happening behind the scenes. ;-)

      • _artem_

        Not just announced… It’s already available in dev and canary channels. What about opera? Will the next dev release (24.x.y.z) have x64 version?

      • SQL

        Yeah but i expected Opera to care a few years after release.

      • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

        Yep, presto Opera has a 64bit version

        If you Blink you might miss things happening behind the scenes. ;-)

  • SQL

    Also what does this mean?
    CHR-1201 Implement alpha recovery for NPAPI plugins. Windows
    NPAPI – recovery – ?

  • doblecero

    Geir Ivarsøy should be proud of this crap.
    Keep going Opera!!!

  • Emanuele

    Why silent importing? …. I’m too stupid to decide if I want import something (and chose what) or not? …. and If I want import something from another browser (not the default) ?

    As always even when you introduce a much requested feature you do it wrong… I’m not able to understand what kind of people work in your offices

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      “It just works.” It makes it easier to migrate to Opera from competing products. Its as simple as that.

      • asdffdsa

        Sorry, but I don’t think ethics works this way.

        • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

          Firefox has offered to import IE favourites since the beginning of time, nobody never critiziced them for it.

          • asdffdsa

            Silent?

          • Emanuele

            but at least FF asks for it …

          • oic

            Opera presume their users are dumber than Firefox and IE users by making it “easier” (which its not btw) to import from other browsers.

          • Alaknár

            They never did this against the will of the users or without their knowledge.

            This is just ridiculous. I don’t want to import bookmarks from my default browser at work, because the default browser is full of my work-only related stuff! And now I don’t have a say. Ah, but the dev says “I’m capable of removing the unwanted bookmarks”.

            Without a proper bookmark manager, you know what’s MUCH easier then deleting all these bookmarks one by one? Opera. And switching to a browser that actually is user-friendly.

          • Rafael Luik

            They never did this against the will of the users or without their knowledge.

            Wrong, Opera 12 silently import bookmarks.

            Disabling this was even in my wish-list in the past.

          • SQL

            Wow this is probably the only thing you agree Opera has done wrong

          • Rafael Luik

            Not the only thing. :)
            I just don’t comment here over and over and over cursing the devs, threatening to stop using Opera, spreading false info, negativity and invalid arguments. (Not dropping a hint.)

      • Nekomajin42

        No, it’s not.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        It only detected those BM I had in the Presto version, I didn’t know I was carrying a copy of them.

        It doesn’t care about your Firefox BM’s.

      • Emanuele

        nope, because you can’t know if I’m interested in importing stuff from the default browser (maybe that one used by my grandma), just to make an example

        In that simple case you’ve complicated things for the average user that now has to delete all the sh*t you imported in his browser without his opinion … not to mention that maybe someone wnat to import something from a portable FF/Chromium/Opera 12, etc …let me say your “vision” of the new browser had became really limited -_-

        Next time what? You will decide for me what to vote in Electronic voting?

        • fanboy punisher

          You are always spot on. Too bad they don’t take you (and others as well) seriously.

      • SQL

        You know that can be an annoying factor that will turn users away from Opera, right?

      • ruduh

        This must be some decision of Opera’s managers. No developer would be so ignorant to this point…

      • Leif Roar Moldskred

        Except that you’re making a lot of assumptions which for any given user might not hold. Like that the user is installing Opera to be their new main browser, or that their current main browser is also their default browser, or that they actually _want_ to keep their whole bookmark collection rather than taking advantage of a clean slate to tidy it up some.

        Importing bookmarks is a great functionality, and there’s nothing wrong with automatically importing the bookmarks from the default browser by default — but is it that difficult to throw up a pre-checked option in the installer of “Import bookmarks from your current browser” which we can uncheck when we don’t want that?

        (Besides, do you really want the “Joe Users” to import a lot of bookmarks into Opera right now? Isn’t that just going to put needless emphasis on Opera’s current weaknesses at bookmark management and draw their attention away from the speed dial and stash?)

      • Łukasz Darzki

        Ok, so let’s assume (or not ;) that I am using firefox/chrome to satisfy my special little thing for my little pony. And believe you me, I want Opera to stay as my ‘main’ browser for others to use without worrying. So I would really like to disable it, to have control over it.

      • Krzysztof Pogłódek

        And how about loyal user who ARE NOT USING OTHER BROWSRES! I do not want bookamrks bar! I NEED bookmarks manager. Cant you understand this?

      • Naishee

        I hate to pile on you but in this case it is a must, really. Other browsers (well, FF at least), ASKS if you want ot import stuff from other browsers, a simple yes/no click. Doing it automatically… Seriously, what are you thinking? This is one of the worst ideas in web browser history. “It just works” only applies to simple things, like connecting to the internet and suchlike. Importing bookmarks is NOT a simple thing. It really isn’t. Or are you going to use that OTHER famous Apple quote on me: “you’re holding it wrong”?

      • SQL

        WHAT. Your latest edit. What.

        “Yeah if ye wanna be a poweruser you better do everything yourself”

        Not even a poweruser, really.

        Think that John here has been bookmarking for the last 8 years. That’s the only thing John has learned to do with browsers. Then John wants to get rid of his bookmarks by installing a new browser. Then all of a sudden his new browser (Opera) has the same bookmarks.

        John might get scared.

        He might think it’s a virus.

        Why did you do this for John?

        Or then we have Lisa here. Lisa has two different browsers, her default browser is Firefox and it has some old, unused bookmarks. Now Lisa is using Safari, with her latest bookmarked sites. Lisa heard from her friend that Opera 15+ is a nice browser. Lisa decides to install Opera, but gets her old bookmarks from Firefox, when she wants her latest bookmarks from Safari.

      • Leif Roar Moldskred

        As to the edit, I think you’re delving dangerously deep into “Build a system that even a fool can use and only a fool will want to use it” land with this approach.

        Yes, by all means make it simple for users, and by all means do things automatic — but don’t deny us _control_. Give us an option — even one hidden behind an “advanced installation options” to disable the automatic bookmark import, silent updates and so on. Yes, perhaps most users don’t care about this, but those of us who do care, care a great deal, and it’s not like it’s a huge job to make this optional during installation.

      • P Head

        If you really want to be “user friendly”, the correct behavior would be to show information on the first browser start, or during installation, asking user if he/she wants to import bookmarks from his/her previous browser.

        And this made me wonder, WHY I have to even explain such SIMPLE things and why I’m still here. Maybe because I was a fan of this browser since version 7. But staying with Opera over the last year was a source of never-ending frustration. This is the final blow. Goodbye Opera.

        • fanboy punisher

          Well, congratulations again to the devs, another one (out of so many lately) bites the dust out of pure disappointment and leaves wounded. You really do know how to nourish your loyal user-base. You are just sooo good or just sooooo stupid.

          • CrashNBurn71

            I’m on Firefox Nightly mostly (IE for Google+); it’s pretty freaking awesome – it has a thread for the GUI so no lockups when JS or multiple pages are loading. And Tree Style Tabs blows everything else out of the water.

            I have Opera 22 stable installled but that “external” window for Tabs, Sidewise or Tabs Outliner are garbage compared to Tree Style Tabs. And STILL no damned freaking real bookmarks, so over half of the bookmark extensions don’t work since “chrome|opera://bookmarks” don’t exist.

      • Alaknár

        Are you kidding me? Since the god damn dawn of bookmark imports a window popped up with a simple question: which browsers’ bookmars does the user want to import?

        And you’re saying that some users are not capable of doing that? Is Opera shifting to the mentally challanged clientelle?

      • http://www.moviein3d.net/ Caitlin Roberts

        You are just being as arrogant as Microsoft pushing the Windows 8 no Start button to everybody because “they know better” and I think that Opera will pay the price for this just like them.

      • http://bizarrotheater.blogspot.com/ SmackMacDougal

        Except that it doesn’t work. It just doesn’t work, at all, Daniel.

        Your product managers likely are 20-something know-it-alls who need at least 20 years of experience and more importantly, maturity, to see how stupid they are today from a business perspective.

        The right product design is thus:

        1. Get all the functionality in the browser to get instant converts through manual user intervention, thus snagging early adopters.

        2. Make it slick after-the-fact, thus getting later-stage newcomers.

  • SLR

    There is a horizontal white line (like 2-3 pixels) between the bottom end of the window and the task bar. When opera is minimized it becomes black. I think it started after the last build. All flags are reset, and all extensions disabled.

    Also, there should be a disable/enable all extensions button. at least in developer mode.

    • Nekomajin42

      Same here. Win7 32 bit

    • Marcin Mitek

      This is known issue. DNA-21476

  • Dmitry Kirin

    Cool! HiDPI font scaling in menus! I’ve been waiting for it! Thanks! :)
    Please don’t forget about the same scaling for bookmark bar and Speed Dial page.

    DNA-14042 Access Keys Absent from Menus

    That’s cool too, I’ve been complaining about it. However, I see that not all keybindings are shown: in textarea context menus, Del is not shown; in the context menu of page’s empty area, none at all, despite Print, Save, ToggleFullscreen, Back all have keybindings.

    I suspect the hotkeys shown on the menus are taken from the hardcoded configuration, such as thay stored in opera.pak, instead of the active one. If I redefine something, say, SelectAll, it should be shown in the context menu. I guess you’re ought to do this thing right from the beginning, so you won’t have to rewrite it later on.

  • raphah

    is that so hard make an old style bookmarks? like opera 12

  • Hunk

    Add some options to prevent silent import and silent update. I want to control what my browser is doing, and i don’t like these “smart” features. Please have respect for power users.

    And where is stable sync and bookmarks manager? Opera mobile should be updated with this functionality as well but after desktop version. Bookmarks and sync should be the main priority with many other features. Don’t add themes and search boxes everywhere, add something usefull =X

    • Laga Mahesa

      ‘Theme’, lol. It’s a frackin’ wallpaper. :p

      Opera isn’t alone in the trend to ignore power users. Windows, for example, makes life harder for us with each release and I’ve decided to jump ship to OSX after being with MS since DOS.

      • mb

        Power user != osx

        • Laga Mahesa

          Why so? OSX’s BSD/Unix roots let you use bash and Perl to your heart’s content and AppleScript is tightly integrated with everything.

          Meanwhile, Microsoft does its best to hide the command prompt and even went as far as to remove full screen functionality in windows 7.

          • fanboy punisher

            Because that 0.1% of Apple’s user base knowing a bit about PCs and some more under the hood are usually coming from Linux. The remaining 99.9% is just typical Chropera 15+ users if you know what I mean…

          • Laga Mahesa

            Haha yeah, quite. I do like Apple’s approach, though. Build a user friendly shell that provides mainstream users with nearly everything and holds their hands, while providing for the power users via an innocuous but easy to access menu option.

            Microsoft, on the other hand, has been trying their damnedest to force everyone who hasn’t got one of their certificates to use the same dumbed down ‘experience’ since Win98. They’ve gone from “We both use PCs, therefore you’re capable of understanding this, too.” to “You’re all dumb fucks, go pay an MSVPCPMNFQRTF engineer to decipher the error codes.”

            That attitude has unfortunately spread to all the big app developers. Chrome with their forced HTTPS, and now Opera with silent updates.

          • Росен Русев

            I think to give 1 very silent ignore to all operalike browzers & windowslike OS systems… Its not very nice to say this but if they continue with that dumb politic I will put my half life to learn that fucking coding process and ill make my own fucking os. Its very retarded to make us to watch double everything. Then why we must pay for them ? isnt that their job ? yeah right if you want something go make it… well ok ill make it but they become useless to me and to us like this why shoulda we pay to em ? isnt better to start doing their jobs properly ? Just an opinion from a normal user… that IS VERY PISSED OFF TO THE BIG FUCKING SHITTY&GREEDY COMPANY’s.

  • FoxkidMCF .

    Okay, first step of bookmark importer is done.
    Now, create a stable sync and a bookmarks then I will never use firefox or chrome again.

    • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

      You can install Xmarks and be happy forever.

  • Ralf Brinkmann

    Installation (update) and restart of Opera worked in this new version.

    In this blog Opera always sorts the comments by “best” instead of “newest”, when I reload the page for updating. I saw this first in the last build. Cookies for opera.com are enabled. I have tried with all kinds of adblockers switched on and off. W7x64 USB install.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Enable cookies for disqus.com, the sort order is kept there (disqus.order).

      • Ralf Brinkmann

        Ok, thank you, that seemed to be the solution. That’s the problem that I wrote in the other (oder) blog: I don’t know, where these cookie-rules are stored. When you do a fresh install, all these exceptions are gone. I did not find any notice in the help, which files I must save for this purpose.

        • Dmitry Kirin

          It seems they are stored in Preferences, the node path profile -> block_third_party_cookies -> content_settings -> pattern_pairs.

          • Ralf Brinkmann

            Ok, then they are gone, if the preferences file is corrupted. What we need, are simple *.ini files.

          • Dmitry Kirin

            If it was really corrupted, not just deleted, I guess it would be renamed to Preferences.bad.

            Indeed, it’d be great to remove some potentially big table-like data from Preferences. For example, QUIC/SPDY support for visited sites makes the file bloated, mine is now 200 kB…

  • Tibi

    Would it be possible to only show my bookmark bar when I open a new tab?

  • Dmitry Kirin

    DNA-21157 Heart menu should close when clicking on the heart again

    The same behaviour should be for bookmark folders. Currently, if a folder is opened, another click closes it and opens again. Reported as DNA-21559.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    I’m not much into bookmarking something, but one of the reaons is BM bar can only be enabled in the config page, no key combination that provides a more direct access… wait, that’s why I don’t use BM’s in the first place, the fact that it will stay permanently there, no matter what I do and that the only way to make it disappear is going to config page. So it’d be nice to have it in SD as mentioned before by Tibi, and then have it gone once you open something.

    Sorry if I’m over descriptive here, I just try to show you how painful and time wasting the whole process is.

    How about being able to turn that BM into a toolbar button, that displays a menu with BM’s and/or BM folders?

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      It’d be great to get rid of that text.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Using Stash as a picture viewer… Didn’t see that coming. *facepalm* The whole Themes thing seems to be cursed… :)

      How about being able to turn that BM into a toolbar button, that displays a menu with BM’s and/or BM folders?

      Bookmarking extensions do exactly that. See, for example, Chrookmarks.

  • aiphed

    From the moment you search something with your in-built default Google, wikipedia search engine changes from english to the custom native one and there is no turning back. Either you fix that or I am uninstalling it, sorry.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      You can create another search engine for English Wikipedia.

      • aiphed

        Thanks for your answer, you already proposed it in a previous post of mine and thanks, but I won’t accept it. I will probably uninstall it because developers have to know that not everyone accepts doing stuff like that in “their way”, so I’d rather uninstall it. It’s tiny things like that that can break using a software for me.

        • Dmitry Kirin

          Oh, sorry, I forgot it was your question I had already answered. :) I agree that user preferences shouldn’t be overwritten silently by the program. Though I don’t get it how you’ve had Wikipedia in English in the first place. If I were insisting on having “w” for my custom English Wikipedia, I’d go as far as modifying it directly in the database, so the default one would turn to “wi”… :)

          • aiphed

            My OS is in english, so the installer installs it in english and the Opera default language is english. Now, if you don’t use google at all, wikipedia stays in english. From the moment you will use google and google sniffs your country code, wikipedia changes. I may look around for a hack in the database but I don’t see having Opera for many more days installed to be honest.

          • Dmitry Kirin

            Interesting. Whatever trace Google may leave should be just cookies, I guess…
            OS language, regional settings, and default location for multilanguage-capable programs are different things. What does your file Local State say? What is written there is not overwritten by Opera. I’ve just tried it on a virtual machine running Russian WinXP, with English (US) regional settings and UK as preferred location. Opera still runs in Russian, but if I change country/locale to “gb” everywhere in Local State, the default “w” search belongs to English Wikipedia, and it does not change if I google anything.

          • aiphed

            Clean Install. Local State states “location”: “country”: “us”, “country_from_server”: “GR”,. Making some searches using the address bar for a while and then closing and reopening the browser. Wikipedia now is in native language. Local State has changed its “location”: “country”: which is now “GR”, “country_from_server”: “GR”. Altering the value back to “us” and making the file read-only does not revert wikipedia back to english.

            Clearing data does not help either possibly because as it states: “Saved content settings and search engines will not be cleared and may reflect your browsing habits.”

          • Dmitry Kirin

            Then set both “country” and “country_from_server”: “gb”. It looks like it only matters if country from server does not match country. As I look into it, it does not change, upon searching or Opera restart. Or I just should wait some time, I don’t know…

          • aiphed

            Yes that’s what I did, both “us”. And read-only. It doesn’t happen immediately, it takes some time (and I don’t know why). I used the offline installer if that matters.

          • Dmitry Kirin

            Can’t catch the moment when it changes… When country from server is not equal to country, Opera resets built-in search engines for that country. Otherwise, it just stays as is here. It it weren’t, I’d add another value to the same node, after the timestamp value: , "tries": "3". I’m not sure what it does, it remains in my file since my experiments with local settings, along with “country_from_server”: “unknown”.

            It bothers me a bit how program code must have been written to do all those weird things instead of implementing features more wanted…

  • Scribe_uk

    Too many thing are being taken out of users hands – it’s becoming more Chrome-like all the time. My default browser is IE which I hardly ever use. There should be a choice of where bookmarks are imported from – although it’s pretty low down on my list of things that need to be fixed anyway!

  • RX-3200

    if enabled opera://flags/#extension-speed-dial-compositing
    every new tab crashed on first run

  • ABDX

    why do youtube keeps crashing and crashing and crashing ? specially when you open a linked video ??

    • Ralf Brinkmann

      Maybe you should give an example link and some informations about your system. Here all testet youtube videos play without crash.
      W7x64 USB install.

      • ABDX

        W7 X64
        Everything was 100% fine until it updated
        and i tried disabling the extension with no luck
        it only crashes when i press on a video on the side

        • Ralf Brinkmann

          Which side?

          Can you try out a clean (usb) install in a new directory and see, if it still crashes?

          • ABDX

            the video suggestions on the right side when a video is playing

          • ABDX

            these

          • Guest

            ..

    • taneli

      I’m not crashing on Youtube, but i’m getting “page crashed” when trying to load pages with embedded youtube videos.

    • Wraith

      Me too, it happened two times today.

    • Toshiyuki Saito

      We noticed that crash, and internally it was fixed.

      • ABDX

        Thanks a lot !

  • irdose

    There are 12 tabs of OPERA is not possible to add them

    I would like an old, familiar

  • blu2

    I have a problem since a few versions, when i clear browser data from the beginning, the circle does not stop ( please change the blue Chrome-like circle ) and the menu window does not disappear.

    I have Windows 8.1 x64

  • Tüütlüm Ohaya

    Are there plans that Opera can detect a website’s logo and using it for Speed Dial ?

    • aiphed

      Yes please, having dozens of thumbnails in Speed Dial and their ads on top of that not only create chaos for the eye but it makes me dizzy as well. I’m surprised you haven’t done it already since Speed Dial is your main concept now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Works for some sites and you get the M-Finger for others.

      So…

      • YemSalat

        I think those are pre-configured?

        • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

          But when I Speed Dial Yahoo Mail I also get that logo, not a thumbnail.

          • YemSalat

            Could you please post a screen?

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            Decided not to do so because the result is exactly the same you’re seeing above. Not a bit different.

          • YemSalat

            That’s what I meant when I said that they are pre-configured. (That’s just a guess though)

    • Jonathan Aanesen

      As of yet there is only a few websites where this function is already added directly to the them. Though your idea is pretty neat and I see how it could be really handy. So I wouldn’t say there won’t come something like this at all in the future. Too bad we’re not the ones deciding the design or functions huh?

      • Jan Banan

        Opera 12 had the feature, so it should be quite easy to implement.

        Whoever is deciding the design and functions is doing a bad job.

      • SQL

        Get back the guys who were designing Opera 12.

      • fanboy punisher

        Jeez… almost every site has it’s name in the top left corner… If you don’t want to do it with the function then at least do it like in Opera 12 ffs….

        • Jonathan Aanesen

          Sounds like a great idea, thx :)

      • YemSalat

        This can be implemented with JavaScript, no under-the-hood tinkering required. (Thats a comment for developers, so basically yeah, its not hard, do it!)

  • Laga Mahesa

    Devs, a request if I may.

    Chromium allows for command line flags to be set in a settings file. Could you include this functionality? The 260 character limit with Windows shortcuts is a massive barrier to customization otherwise. It’s quite ridiculous how overjoyed I was when I discovered that you can use a standard windows ‘/’ prefix instead of the doubled sized ‘–‘!

  • Rainie Brian

    I (and the most of you) need full-text search in any part of every field of all my bookmarks: name, url, like it was in Opera Presto, like it realized in Firefox right now.
    And, of course, full featured bookmark manager.
    That’s all.

  • http://blog.homisite.com/ HomiSite

    As always half-baked features: bookmark import without real bookmarks – funny. And when will Bandcamp work again with the “click to play” setting? Even with an exception set in preferences it won’t play music. I miss Opera 12’s “start all plug-ins” button (and real site preferences and and and…).

    • Sync Originals

      Bandcamp :). Have a mentioned that how many times :) 4 I recall.

      • SQL

        Works for me in O20, O21 and O22..

  • cristianer

    So with this I’ll be able to import my 300+ bookmarks? Mmm…

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Yes but you get either 300 Speed Dials or 300 Stashes.

  • Leonardo Gomes

    New flags:

    Categories per country and language in Discover
    Enable the list of categories specific to the selected country and language.

    HiDPI support
    If enabled, application size and layout will adapt to the operating system’s DPI settings.

    Touch scrolling mode
    Change the touch event behavior while scrolling. “touchcancel” is what was historically used, and “absorb-touchmove” is the new preferred mode.

    (Not sure about this last one)

    Enable distance field text
    If enabled, text is rendered with signed distance fields rather than bitmap alpha masks.

    Extension Content Verification
    This flag can be used to turn on verification that the contents of the files on disk for extensions from the webstore match what they’re expected to be. This can be used to turn on this feature if it would not otherwise have been turned on, but cannot be used to turn it off (because this setting can be tampered with by malware).

    Experimental text input focus manager.
    Enable an experimental focus manager to track text input clients.

    • Herr Pietrus

      Wow, now HDPI support works with DPI lower than 200 :)

      • Leonardo Gomes

        At least here it seems to affect only the menus.

        • Herr Pietrus

          You’re right, I’ve just noticed it.
          But something is changing, it’s a good sign.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Fail to see what’s different about Discover, it is enabled by default but I don’t see anything different than O22.

  • aiphed

    What is the keyboard shortcut for Stash? I want to access it from the current tab directly.

    • NoName

      It’s a bit long, but you can do it quite fast after a few times:
      Ctrl+T, tab, tab, enter.

      • aiphed

        I can’t stop laughing, no mate, I need something simple like Ctrl+S, not use my both hands and two feet for a simple thing like that :-)

        I suppose there is no shortcut for that yet, hence the humor, so Opera please… please for a simple thing like that for god’s sake.

        • NoName

          hehe, I know.
          I just gave you an alternative, until there is a direct shortcut ;)

          • Rafael Luik

            There might be a better one in the future. The mnemonics are exposed now (press Alt to open the main menu). Stash is there and it could get one “Alt, letter”.

  • Leonardo Gomes

    4596 points on Peacekeeper.

  • fanboy punisher

    The developer of the tab grouper extension for Opera (a very very useful feature) when asked about bringing it to Chropera said about it

    “Opera 15+ does not support tab groups.”
    https://github.com/starsolaris/tab_grouper/issues/5

    Are you going to do something about it at last?

  • Herr Pietrus

    Perhaps someone wrote about it but… is it possible to automatically hide bookmarks bar after using heart button for adding new site?! Now it’s useless, because I don’t want to see bookmarks bar, i use extensions to manage bookmarks. And because of the way how heart button works I still have to use extension for adding pages to my favorites…

  • RX-3200

    can you please set the black (not white) default background to tab then it start to load ?
    white kill notebooks battery and our eyes

    • Dmitry Kirin

      If your screen is LCD, not OLED, power consumption does not depend on colour, but only backlight intensity. As for the eyes, most sites use white or bright-colour background, and it would mostly be worse if tabs were going black before showing the content.

      • RX-3200

        we can set dark theme to every site by Stylebot (Opera 12 could do this without the help of external extensions is now eating resources), but Stylebot load after white default background splash on my eyes …
        so let us tune default background color from settings

  • _artem_

    WHAAAAAAA NOTIFICATIONS!!!!!!!!!11one
    THANKS OPERA!!!! DELETING CHROME FROM WINDOWS
    hope to see linux version soon

    • http://www.cpcwiki.eu/ Gryzor

      Yeah, I’m surprised not more people comment on this. I mean, sure, we all miss the basic stuff we’ve been complaining about, but for once we get a nice feature…

      • https://twitter.com/nicoaleramirez Nicolás Ramírez

        What notifications are you talking about guys?

  • Dmitry Kirin

    Is it just me or Opera does not open opera:// links, such as opera://bookmark-importer in this post? If I middle-click it, nothing happens; if I right-click it and choose Open in a new tab, a white empty page (about:blank) is opened.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Same here.

    • http://my.opera.com/haavard/ opvard

      This seems to have been “inherited” from Chromium which handles links to internal pages in the same way.

      • Emanuele

        Is it considered a bug or a core-feature? this isn’t clear

  • _artem_

    extensions icons changed their positions… everything isn’t on its place… and there is no way to drag n drop to change position (feature request)

  • Bruce Epple

    Having problems with printing from Web pages. The pages seemed to be converted to a printable format but nothing (page orientation, pages to be printed and etc) appears without typing Control P. I’m using Opera Developer 23.0.1522.0

    • ayespy

      Printing appears trouble-free if you don’t have (I think it’s) Direct-Write enabled, very problematic if you do have it on.

  • ubh56

    Finally some positive news and useful features! Thank you! Now all you need is proper bookmarks and a bookmark manager and I may give this browser a second look.

    All the features of Opera 12 + Chromium extensions would make this browser very popular!

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    Shouldn’t this have been: “Opera 23 moves to Next” or “Opera 24 Dev first build”?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Not necessarily.

    • ayespy

      It’s a feature add, so it belongs in the Dev stream, and the ver. isn’t stable enough to upgrade to Next yet where it will get only bug fixing.

      The more features added on any single Dev build, big or small, the happier I am. ‘Cause once it moves to Next, all we get is bug-fixing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        I suggested two options.

        • Jonathan Aanesen

          If you look closely this is exactly what ayespy or the title says. Not any of your two options :P Those will come along as well.

  • netwolf

    The BM importer is a step to the right direction, but quite useless without a BM manager as you have nothing decent to import them to :-(
    And no, I don’t want ~300 bookmarks imported to the BM bar, and neither to Stash.

    • netwolf

      Also silent updates are a good thing, but a silent user data import is a terrible thing out of so many reasons…

  • beBoss

    Crash(flash crash) on zynga texas holdem (facebook)

  • taneli

    Still becomes completely unresponsive while doing CPU heavy tasks, old Opera 21 Next still working fine during heavy CPU load.

  • SQL

    Delete everything “silent” please. Make your features shout or whatever but silent updates and bookmark importing is really dirty and annoying.

  • Laga Mahesa

    GMail is broken for me. Disabled all my extensions, no joy. Cloned my profile and DELETED all extensions, no joy.

    The page loads. The sidebar is there and works fine, as does the More button, but the main area is completely blank. There are a lot of browser.js notifications in the console, if that helps, mostly to do with the More button.

    • Marko Koivuniemi

      Cannot confirm (Win 8.1 64-bit). But I use also Gmelius -extension to clean up Gmail. But I think earlier to day Gmail has some problems for me too. They went away at least for me.

      • Laga Mahesa

        Hmmm. Okay I’ll keep an eye on it. I use Postbox on the desktop and Mailbox on my iOS devices mostly, so this is far from a crippling blow for me. It’s odd that the menus all work and I get notifications as well.

    • Inquisitor

      Confirmed! No messages can be displayed. (Win7/64)

      (By the way, did you notice how much cleaner and sharper the fonts in O12 (Presto) are, compared to O15+?

      • Inquisitor

        Disqus didn’t show my example in the previous post.

      • Laga Mahesa

        I had, actually, but as I use Opera on many computers of differing configurations, I’d put it down to some kind of psychological trick, lol. At home I did the switch to Opera Chrome at the same time as I upgraded my monitor to 2560×1440 (Asus PB278) from a mere 1080p and was so absorbed in ALL the changes that Opera’s fonts didn’t even register and I just got used to it.

    • Herr Pietrus

      I’ve got the same problem.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Gmail is ok here. Using Win 8.1 x64.

      Have you changed anything at opera:flags? If so, try reseting it to default.

      • Laga Mahesa

        I’ve not visited that page since 2 builds ago. Is there any way to sort by newest entry? Sifting through that lot looking for things that look unfamiliar gets old.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Not that i know.

    • Inquisitor

      I think DirectWrite may be the culprit. I had it enabled and it crippled Gmail. When I disabled it, Gmail looked as it should be.

      • Laga Mahesa

        I’ve had it disabled since it first showed up, as it was making many sites unreadable, including this one. :/

    • vinczej

      I haven’t any problem with GMail nor on XP neither on Win7.

  • Laga Mahesa

    Getting frequent crashes on exit, “Opera Developer has stopped working”. Clearing the cache BEFORE LOAD has resulted in no such crashing for that run, but then it happens again.

  • Michael A. Puls II

    imports passwords, cookies, history and bookmarks

    Would be cool to have access to these importers *after* Opera is set up too (to *merge* imported items into Opera). For example, being able to pick what browser installation to import from and being able to check/uncheck boxes to control exactly what you want to import would be cool. For example, maybe you want to import passwords and cookies but not bookmarks.

    silent import

    The user should really be asked. It’s a big assumption that the user is installing Opera to be their default browser.

    But, if it’s going to be silent, there should be a command-line option to disable auto-importing and or there should be an option under “options” in the installer to prevent it for those of us that know to check “options” (since all the options in the installer are hidden by default).

    What about the “Standalone Installation (USB)” install option? Will silent import be on for that setup too?

    • http://my.opera.com/haavard/ opvard

      It’s a big assumption that the user is installing Opera to be their default browser.

      That assumption isn’t really made, I think. On the other hand, it might be more likely that Opera becomes your default browser if the transition from the previous default browser is a smooth one.

      • Hunk

        Installed Developer as portable. Opened browser – nothing happened. Opened opera://bookmark-importer and tried import myself – nothing happened. Silent import can’t import data from Opera 12.17. That’s not smooth.

        • Herr Pietrus

          Confirm. Update still doesn’t work with portable installations, I wonder if it really works e.g with old Opera and alongside installation. Till now bookmarks and other settings import worked with Opera 12 only when Opera Blink was installed to the same directory.

        • Nekomajin42

          But at least it smoothly does not work. :))

        • http://my.opera.com/haavard/ opvard

          You may wish to keep in mind that Developer builds are. If you are not aware of this, you should consider sticking with Next or final versions. Developer versions are not considered finished software.

          Let me quote the Opera Developer page

          Updated a few times per week, Opera Developer gives you a sneak peek of upcoming features and experiments that might make their way into future products.

          Use with caution. These pre-release builds are intended for developers, extension creators, and early adopters.

          I hope that clarifies things for you.

          • Hunk

            Why does this new importer can’t detect at least some of my installed browsers? Opera 12, IE 11, Firefox 29, Chrome 35. It detects nothing and i can’t choose manually the path. There is no info in “known issues” so it either was designed like that or you simply missed it.

            But it is mentioned as the main change of this build. And it doesn’t work. I have a bad feeling about sync and other complex features if this one doesn’t work as it should.

            Opera Presto dev builds were buggy but at least they had features that worked, sometimes half-worked or with bugs, but worked.

            Oh, and i just tried the non portable installation and… nothing. It doesn’t work either.

          • Laga Mahesa

            There may be good reasons to not import automatically with a portable installation.

            Very good reasons. Like managing masters for deployment. Talking of which, I’ve just discovered that it’s impossible to directly edit the ‘startup_urls’ under ‘session’ because of the ‘urls_signature’ field. Is there a way around that?

          • CrashNBurn71

            Hey, Laga Mehesa
            If I might inquire, What File Manager is that?
            Thanks.

          • Laga Mahesa

            It’s Directory Opus: http://www.gpsoft.com.au/

            The toolbars, buttons and menus are fully customizable. The button on the far right launches Take Command from http://jpsoft.com/.

            I warn you though, regular explorer or even any of the other file managers out there will feel grossly underpowered once you try this.

          • CrashNBurn71

            Ahhh. I’ve always refrained from DO as their licensing is a little steep compared to pretty much every other tool I’ve paid for (WinRar, EmEditor, TC, CodeLobsterPHP, etc).

            As well it seemed like a significant time investment to get it configured, which is prolly why TC keeps sticking around as I’ve already made that investment and made so many AHK scripts to deal with its file-panel output.
            TC is adequate these days (barely), but Explorer is eating TC’s lunch as far as multimedia is concerned . The other contender that bubbled up from the chaff was MultiCommander.

            Funnily enough I haven’t even bothered with TC on my laptop yet (6+months in, and it was always one of the first things). I’ve been getting by fairly well with AHK and Explorer file-list outputs heh.

            Really like the look of that DO-screenshot though, seems far more customizable in the GUI.

          • Laga Mahesa

            It is indeed steep! I’ve been using DO since the Amiga days, so the sale was much easier as I knew what I was getting. I do occasionally look at the other offerings (especially with an eye towards OSX support) but there’s been nothing sufficiently enticing for me to jump ship. That screengrab is from DO 10, my current. I’ve yet to upgrade to 11 – one new feature that I’m keen on is that they’ve opened up scripting to any language you want to use that’s registered with Windows, not just vbscript/jscript – but I’m holding off until I’ve properly tested Win8.1 or buy a Mac.

            DO has got an overload of features – I’m sure there are extremely useful ones that I’m unaware of. It doesn’t get bogged down, though. It’s as snappy as it was when I first started using it. This tightness, along with USB export and how easy it is to share configurations between machines without digging through the registry is a big selling point for me.

            Multimedia-wise, I can’t really say as far as current Explorer is concerned as I only use that when absolutely forced to. The built in viewer supports pretty much anything, though, including activex IE plugins and all Windows codecs. See the unlikely screenshot I’ve attached. :p

      • Michael A. Puls II

        That assumption isn’t really made

        I only say that because the import is silent and why would one want an *automatic* and *silent* import if they’re not planning to use it as their default browser?

        On the other hand, it might be more likely that Opera becomes your default browser if the transition from the previous default browser is a smooth one.

        While it might be smooth, it’s uninformative and forceful. Asking instead doesn’t make it any less smooth.

        • http://my.opera.com/haavard/ opvard

          I only say that because the import is silent and why would one want an *automatic* and *silent* import if they’re not planning to use it as their default browser?

          People may want to try a new browser before they decide whether they want to keep using it or not. In that case they will probably want access to their old data while giving it a shot. In other words, they haven’t decided yet. But having all their data right there makes it easier to compare the two browsers.

          • Cqoicebordel

            Yes but I don’t want Opera stealing my data without my consent.
            I know it isn’t the case, but a silent import could appear like this.

          • http://my.opera.com/haavard/ opvard

            Your data won’t be deleted from the other browser.

          • Cqoicebordel

            I know, it wasn’t my point.
            If Opera do something magically (silently), it raise the question “what else does Opera do silently”.
            It could be ill perceived by the user.

          • http://my.opera.com/haavard/ opvard

            The question can be asked regardless. You can’t live your life fearing what others might say. You have to do what you think is right.

          • Cqoicebordel

            What other might say ? I don’t care about what they say.
            I put my trust in Opera. But Opera break that trust by doing something without my knowledge, and without my permission. That’s as simple as that.

            And personnaly, I hate when a soft decide to do something by itself, because I’m not in control any more. And I want control over my machine.

          • Nekomajin42

            There is no reason against a confirm box on first run to ask whether the user wants to import the data or not. You MUST give the choice to the users.

            And what if I want to import from another browser?

      • Nekomajin42

        Smooth is without errors. Too smooth is behind the user’s back.
        Smooth is good. Too smooth is bad.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Asumption made by every browser.

  • Marian Hornjak

    Bookmark importer not working for me!!!

    • Marian Hornjak

      Dont have Bookmark importer option!!!

      • http://my.opera.com/haavard/ opvard

        Are you using a USB/portable installation?

        • Nekomajin42

          I have a normal installation since the very first Dev build and the bookmark importer does not work since then.

  • Ste

    First make working sync and other options. Migrate options – fine, but no one wants to migrate to browser without many basic options.

  • Thomas Sawyer
    • Marko Koivuniemi

      Works for me. (W81 64-bit)

  • Guest

    I am the sole to just need this : a bookmark manager so i just have to enter the 1st letters of the website i’m searching for ? I really do not care if the bookmark list is more hidden than the Hollow Man, there are tons of sites i don’t wanna see on Speed Dial or Bookmark bar, just to get in the adress bar when i need for.

    A printscreen is maybe better than a long explanation. As you can see, IE does that, so do chromium, firefox, so did opera 12 too.

  • necroproject

    The printscreen below explains better than words why i personnaly needs bookmarks : to stay my hands on keyboard rather than loosing time with mouse.

    So i do not know for 99% of people asking for real bookmarks but for me, i don’t care if the bookmark list is hidden in the Hollow Man’s mouth.

    There are tons of sites i do not wanna see in my Speed Dial nor Bookmark Bar, just access through entering the few first letters.

  • Chris

    @Opera Developer
    You know we don’t have a proper Bookmarkmanager?
    For what we need a Bookmark Importer? I don’t understand this way of thinking.

    • Wraith

      Yes is confusing!, you can import but not manage.

      • Rafael Luik

        Drag and drop in the bookmarks bar and Speed Dial.

        ¸¸.•¨¯’• .. ¸¸.•¨¯’• .. ¸¸..manage.. ¸¸.•¨¯’• .. ¸¸.•¨¯’• .. ¸¸

        • Wraith

          And when your folder or bookmarks gets out of the screen then is easy too, right!

          • Jonathan Aanesen

            Same thing there, drag ‘n’ drop in the dropdown menu :P

          • SQL

            So now you’re making me drag ‘n’ drop 4000 bookmarks?

            Ok then. Innovative browser Opera 23 reporting in.

          • Jonathan Aanesen

            Never said it’s going to be like this permanent… As I’ve said a million times here, it’s under development. It’s guaranteed a better solution will come in the future.

          • SQL

            Yes, i understand this but i can’t live in the future – at this very moment that’s the only thing i can do as you well know, yes – this is the dev stream and i know things aren’t finished yet.

          • Alaknár

            Don’t you think you’re kinda going at this backwards? I’m not a developer, only a user, but I guess the majority of users would prefer to have the ability to properly manage their bookmarks, before dumping 1000+ of ‘em into the browser…

          • Jonathan Aanesen

            And that I agree to :) But such feature is yet to be developed :/ We will just have to wait for it to come

          • ayespy

            How do you let them get out of the screen? I’ve over a thousand and everything is right where I can reach it and arrange it how I want.

  • AlexBrtn

    the long-awaited

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    So… you can import Bookmarks into Speed Dials and / or Stash, but not as bookmarks, BM bar already can create folders and move BM into/outo them, but I would need to import a BM to SD/Stash and then BM it and then recreate all those folders one by one and move all those BM again one by one?

    And you claim to intend to make all of it simpler?

    I can right-click a group of open tabs and save them as a Speed Dial folder, how difficult is it for you to give me the option to right-click a Speed Dial folder and make it a BM folder? not impossible in all certainty.

    Seems I can’t stop giving reasons why I can’t use BM’s. Make them useful and appealing and I will surely change my mind.

    But I can now search in settings, I guess that’s very useful as they’re countless.

    • ayespy

      No. You can’t import bookmarks to speed dial or stash.

      You can import them to speed dial OR THE BOOKMARKS BAR. and if you import them to the bookmarks bar they retain their entire hierarchical folder structure.

      I imported mine to the bookmarks bar and rearranged them very slightly so that I have all the bookmarks visible on the bar that I want, four small folders on the bar that I want there, and then one single folder at the far left with all the rest of my other BM folders in it.

      • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

        This is what I’ve done too, although I have 18 main folders and the leftmost one for the subfolders. It works like a charm.

        • ayespy

          Works very well for me, too, except that it’s in the wrong place. Needs to be vertical at the right side of the browser for me.

  • NimeshT

    Opera 22 released on Stable and Developer is now moved to 23. Where is Next then – 22.5? Are you going back to old version numbering system?

    • Nekomajin42

      Oh guys, you soooo don’t understand this, do you?

      • NimeshT

        what was misunderstood?

        • Nekomajin42

          This whole system is just another name what was called dev/alpha and beta/rc. Currently there is no new build on the Next stream because v22 is already stable but v23 is still in alpha stage. When v23 will be ready to beta testing it will be promoted to the Next stream (probably next week).
          In the past, the developers created a package of new developements, and released a new version when the whole package was ready. Now they have time frames, and they release what is ready at the given time.

          • NimeshT

            Thanks. I thought I misunderstood something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    Do you think you can give us the option one day to:

    1. Right-click a Speed Dial folder and save it as a bookmark folder?
    2. Have a key combination to show/hide BM bar?
    3. Make the BM bar show/hide automatically depending on when you’re in the start page or in an actual website?

    That’d be awesome. I don’t plan to drag all those SD one by one and recreate all those folders one by one.

    • Jonathan Aanesen

      All of those are highly likely to be added one day since they sound pretty handy :) Tho when and how I do not know.

  • Naishee

    Oh for heavens sake. Every time I update Opera on any release channel, it turns “silent” updates back on, and I have to disble them yet again in the task scheduler. Wasn’t the first time enough to let you know that I DO NOT WANT them? Seriously, there are many good reasons to not want them, and turning them on consistently without telling users means Opera is now very close to being Malware, doing things to your computer that they explicitly do not want.

    • Laga Mahesa

      Haha, quite. Even more malware-like, this usage of the task scheduler is a way around the UAC prompt…

  • NimeshT

    I can see Linux Platform under Opera Flags for this release, not sure about previous releases but it’s not in Stable so looks like some good stuff is going on for Linux too but it’s just not ready yet for external world outside Opera ASA

  • Kamil Darczyński

    Question:

    Where Opera store extensions settings?. I need to backup config of Adblock plus, after Opera crash i lost Adblock+ filter list :/

    This is irritating

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Part seems to be stored on the preferences file.

  • kevinwang2

    Hey, one question, are you ever gonna add an “add/create” method to opr.stash API? I’ve been longing for this ever since 21.

  • g01r

    Background images=themes (facepalm)
    Forced silent import
    Bookmarks importer without bookmarks manager

    No! God! No! God please no! No! No! Noooooo!

  • Ampa

    Frequently getting “page crashed” on speed dial and many other varied web pages. Usually occurs when changing tabs. Have disabled all extensions, and reset all flags to default – still happening :(

  • inDigazzZ

    opera://flags/#proprietary-media-types-playback causes crashes on vk.com, plus.google.com …

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      Known. (I think it’s even fixed internally already if I recall correctly) ;)

  • Inquisitor

    Isn’t using the ‘Speed Dial’ as a ‘library’ for bookmarks rather ridiculous? How much ‘speed’ is left if you have to go through folders, sub-folders and sub-sub-sub-folders and scrol bars to get to your desired bookmark? That’s more like ‘Slow Dial’ than ‘Speed Dial’!
    Wouldn’t it much better if the speed dial was brought back to what’s it supposed to be: a very limited number of visual bookmarks that you use most often and can access with just one click.
    And for all the other bookmarks: a dedicated bookmarks feature exactly like the one in O12. It was just perfect!

    • Laga Mahesa

      It should be renamed anyway. Who uses an actual speed dial anymore? I never have. In terms of symbolic terminology, it’s got a much shorter lifespan than the floppy icon for saving.

    • fanboy punisher

      I guess they are thinking that searching for them is the way to go, which it isn’t really. The stash place should be the bookmarks place but they still just don’t get it.

    • Herr Pietrus

      “Isn’t using the ‘Speed Dial’ as a ‘library’ for bookmarks rather ridiculous?”

      It is but I think that possibility to create folders should remain in speed dial, SOMETIMES it is useful.
      But I disagree that stash should be a place for our bookmarks. Stash is new, interesting and sometimes handy. Bookmarks should have traditional, best for that purpose vertical menu displayed by clicking an icon on the main bar somewhere near the address field.

  • Fajar Vashra

    oh wait…opera 12 still had better bookmark manager….so I just …well …not moving yet….and…opera 12 more faster on my cpu.sooo…not moving

  • IllusionMH

    When you print page in Opera 23 Dev it have artifacts(if put it mildly) with text. Even on this page.
    Any confirmations? Is this already reported?

    Win8.1 x64
    Opera 22 Stable doesn’t have this issue.

    • UMaster 7

      printing never worked with Opera with acceptable results, I using Print Friendly (alt: readability)

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      It’s known and already tracked in the bug tracking system ;)

  • Muhammad Ubaid Raza

    Having strange issue, Input randomly gets disabled in Opera (Text/numbers wont work but backspace works). Input works fine in other applications at same time.

    Windows 8.1 update 1

    • Vux777

      I’ve also had those weird problems…couldn’t write into Disqus comment box or search
      but I’m on win7 x64

  • Xpander

    where is the linux client? i have been waiting so long..

  • guest6768
    • Leonardo Gomes

      Never?

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        At least the could offer an API so that extensions developers can integrate theit own like in the picture.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          OK, but i don’t think that they can provide an API for something that doesn’t exists.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            It can be created if they give the tools to do it, look at the Smart RSS extension, it completely mimics the old RSS we had.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Right, but only because a feed is kinda different of a email message, isn’t it? A feed is, afaik, basically an html file, a mini web page.
            I don’t know much about it but i think that in order to display e-mail messages Opera should have a mail code inside its code.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            I’m not comparing them, I’m saying Opera has the code to a mail client that’s no longer in development, I’m not even saying open the code, I’m saying give an API that takes advantage of that knowledge and allow us to have our own client.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            But the mail client is/was dependent of the (presto) engine. They would need to create one for Blink.

    • Der Herr Nick

      Would be great if ths icon bar could be extended by addons. There are some quite usable RSS addons – a mail extension would be more than welcome.

    • Herr Pietrus

      IMHO its better to have RSS or email button on the main bar, then you are able to revive notifications without leaving current website, you can also immediately launch RSS client without opening new tab.

  • Moris299

    Yaaaah! Nice!

  • Vet_allting

    Why no super drag and drop in Opera ??
    Maxthon and Firefox (extension) have it….

    • Leonardo Gomes

      What is a “super drag and drop”?

      • Vet_allting

        You left click a link,drag it bit to the right or left, and then let go of the button.A new web page opens up with that link.
        Try maxthon browser.Cant live without it..
        I think Opera had it built in but it was hidden in earlier versions ?
        Plz include it in the next one.
        Or if anyone have an extension that can do this ?

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Thanks for the info.

          What would be difference between doing it and just click on the link?

          • Vux777

            opening pages in new (bg) tab…(instead of mmc or right click — open in new tab)
            very useful feature when you get use to it

            btw. beautiful disqus formating bugs :)
            (if anyone see it before edit )

  • http://mikanoshi.name/ Mikanoshi Kimemoshito

    Well, I waited patiently for so long, guess it’s time to move on from Opera 12.17, because it crashes on Win 8.1 like crazy with my 200 tabs…
    Never thought any browser can replace it, but Firefox is the way to go: tab groups, single process design (have you tried to open 200 tabs and have 200 processes in Opera/Chrome? Yeah…), panel customization, bookmarks as panel/sidebar/dropdown menu. These functions are already enough for me to consider moving to FF.
    No mouse gestures, but I think there are extensions for that. They also call changing background image a “theme”, but I guess the times when you can customize every element of the UI are gone, now every UI is “modern” and “user friendly”, and average user doesn’t need all that fancy looks (according to developers).

    • Nekomajin42

      Look for FireGestures! Customizable.

      • http://mikanoshi.name/ Mikanoshi Kimemoshito

        Already using them :) Any Opera-like speed dial with Ctrl+Number hotkeys? Like in “Speed Dial” ext, but not so ugly)

        • Wraith

          You can try “Super Start” is the best speed dial extension like Opera SD that I found, you can sync through dropbox but It doesn´t use hotkeys.

          • http://mikanoshi.name/ Mikanoshi Kimemoshito

            I want hotkeys) I tried it, tiles are too small for me… and icon is just terrible :D

          • Wraith

            The tiles can be increased in size (tall) to make then more like Opera, you can turn off icons too, but of course they never look like SD in Opera or be smooth and nice, but is a good start.

          • http://an-dz.weebly.com/ An_dz

            I found this one. It’s not pretty, but at least is the only that is useful. It’s open-source so maybe we (old Opera users) may try to improve it.

            https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/speed-dial/

          • http://mikanoshi.name/ Mikanoshi Kimemoshito

            Yep, it’s the only one. I also posted a comment to the site of the most pretty speed dial, maybe its author will add hotkeys.
            I’ll definitely have to learn how to create addons for FF :) Maybe port some of my Opera extensions…

          • http://an-dz.weebly.com/ An_dz

            BTW, which addon is it? In case I want to use it too ;)

          • http://mikanoshi.name/ Mikanoshi Kimemoshito
          • http://an-dz.weebly.com/ An_dz

            Thanks!

          • Alaknár

            Do you know if there’s an extension that would mimic the old Opera’s bookmark nicknames?

          • Wraith

            Sadly I don´t know, I´m not experimented with bookmaks.

        • Nekomajin42

          I don’t know. I use FF only for testing, and a SD is not necessary contrary to mouse gestures.

    • CrashNBurn71

      Take a look at Firefox nightly if you are testing the FF waters. With that many tabs, I’ve found Aurora and FF stable tend to conusme more RAM, more CPU and the browser freezes too much. FF Nightly on the other hand (with at least one extra thread for the GUI) is working pretty smooth for me. And all the necessary extensions I required seem to be compatible too.

      • http://mikanoshi.name/ Mikanoshi Kimemoshito

        Tab Mix Plus is broken totally on 32 :)
        I managed to reduce the number of tabs to 110, max RAM usage is 1.5GB, FF doesn’t load tabs of start, so actually it’s a lot lower, and I don’t have a shortage of RAM)
        FF is surprisingly customizable, I found pretty much all I used in Opera. Tab Groups are just perfect for tons of tabs. Still need Opera-like SpeedDial with hotkeys and RSS reader (Feedly for now, but I don’t like online services).

        • CrashNBurn71

          Ah I use Tab Utilities (or Tab Utilities Lite sometimes) as I found far too many conflicts with Tab Mix Plus even in stable FF, as well as Aurora. Also I don’t particularly care for monolithic extensions, and TMP almost has the kitchen sink hehe.

    • YemSalat

      I’m not trying to be a jerk, and you’ve probably been asked this before. But I’m genuinely curious.
      I just calculated that on a 1920 wide screen with 200 tabs that would be about 8 pixels per tab. How do you tell between them? And why do you need so many open at once?

      • http://mikanoshi.name/ Mikanoshi Kimemoshito

        Answered already :)
        http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/12/last-2013s-opera-developer/#comment-1174117769

        Didn’t you know that there can be multiple tab rows?) I had 5 or 6. Now I’m on FF with 8 tab groups 10-20 tabs in each, with addon that sets min and max tab width, 1 horizontally scrollable tab row. Even better than Opera’s tabs stacking, just perfect. FF is what Presto Opera should’ve become – modern and customizable.

  • Wraith

    A little personalization can´t hurt anybody, like the ability to move extension icons.

  • Nachiketa Ramesh

    Can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add the feature where you get a dialogue box when you try to close opera when it’s downloading something?? Please??

    • Ralf Brinkmann

      I support this wish. And I don’t remember if it was in Firefox or Chrome: I could close the browser, but the download was finished in the background. Very usefull! Would be good for Opera too.

      • Ralf Brinkmann

        Really? I read there only two funtionalities: 1.) Where to store a file, 2.) what to do, if the file already exists. No word about what should happen when I close the browser while downloading.

        • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

          Just give it a try if you don’t believe me ^^
          It’s enabled by default. ;)

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142
  • Sander

    Might be just me, but there doesn’t seem to be a way to import bookmarks from Opera 12. When I go to opera://bookmark-importer and choose “Import to the bookmarks bar”, nothing happens. Please, listen to your loyal base and bring back WORKING bookmarks! They were perfect in Opera 12 but the newer Opera versions are unusable without it.

    • Inquisitor

      Hear, hear!

  • http://livioribeiro.posterous.com Livio Ribeiro

    What about Dragonfly?

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      Dead. Opera is contributing to Chromium’s Dev Tools instead.

      • http://livioribeiro.posterous.com Livio Ribeiro

        That’s sad, I think Dragonfly was better than Chromium Dev Tools

  • UMaster 7

    google maps 3D view :)

  • UMaster 7

    as chrome x64 was released as dev the last days, is Opera planning to start working on Opera x64 soon?

  • Deus Ex Vino

    Nope. Nope. You violate every sane principle of private data protection – you cant just collect the data without “ok” from user. Silent—- whatever should either be optional , or give us a way to *easily* disable it in advance – before first run.

    • http://my.opera.com/haavard/ opvard

      The silent import feature isn’t there to collect data. It’s imported locally.

      • SQL

        Doesn’t matter.

        It’s touching MY data without MY permission.

        • Rafael Luik

          Opera 12 had silent import FYI.

          • SQL

            Does that mean it was the correct choice?

          • Rafael Luik

            Nope…

            I just wanted to give some context here. Before, when Opera 12 did this, no one here cared. There was a topic I created in the forums back then, I think I was the only person asking for a way to disable this.

            Goes to show how people here want to take opportunities to bash Opera like never before.

        • http://my.opera.com/haavard/ opvard

          What it does is to make that data available to you in another locally installed piece of software. Software on your computer constantly touches your data without your permission. Even web sites leave data on your computer, and they don’t ask (although European sites may now be required to inform you about cookies).

          • SQL

            Yes, but i have a setting to disable cookie storage. What about your silent features? As of yet you haven’t told us anything about maybe allowing the user to disable your “smart” features?

            I mean, this should be a clear thing – at least for Opera who have witnessed that forcing people to do certain things is not nice.

      • Nekomajin42

        Why should we believe it? Because you say so? Or do you have any proof?

  • Deus Ex Vino

    You shouldnt target really dumb people as main user base – those will either have no PC at all or use whatever browser comes preinstalled. and you dont have the money for Chrome-sized advertiesement/brainwash/adware approach.

  • http://abbe98.github.io/ Albin Larsson

    When you introduced the bookmark bar, you added a third system for “bookmarks”, now we got the speed dial, stash and the bookmark bar, what if you could add sub folder support to speed dial? Then we would have a proper bookmark manager and you could kill that ugly bookmark bar…

    • Herr Pietrus

      Jesus, SD isn’t and won’t be good substitute for bookmarks! It is used for different purposes. Subfolders inside folders aren’t speed anymore.

      • http://abbe98.github.io/ Albin Larsson

        The SD would work better then the solutions Opera provides right now, and if you don’t want sub folders you just don’t create them…

      • CrashNBurn71

        All of them, less so stash, are the same damn thing. Except for the “view”. If they were *actually* the same thing: Shortcuts with optional Tags/Shortcuts/Aliases/Descriptions/FavIcons/ScreenShot/Text-From-Page — then Opera could enable one to use different _views_:
        Open “SpeedDials” in classic BookMark-View
        Open BookMarks in Speed Dial View
        Filter them, Search, etc.
        Which would be awesome. All “shortcuts” have the same data-structure and fields, and could be viewed how you wish.
        Imagine having Bookmarks open (if we had those), and you right click on a folder to view it in Speed Dial ‘view’.

        If this was Opera 12, I’d say that would be a slight possibility. Given this is Opera 22+ And seeing how much “customization” Opera has allowed since Opera 15 (we aren’t “allowed” more room for extension icons, and can’t even organize them).

        Likely a snowballs chance in hell. But it it would be lovely to be proven wrong.

  • eritrocite

    you’d better start thinking on exporting, not importing

  • ayespy

    .

  • Jademarisa

    Unless you bring back classic menu bar, real customization (not Chrome disguising like the “themes” you got now) and discard the Chrome look I won’t “import” anything neither from Firefox nor from Opera 12.17

    • Ralf Brinkmann

      What should the “Classic Menu Bar” be for except using vertical space on your screen? Did you see, that there already is a menu? Press ALT and then leave it. And please tell us, how often you use the “Classic Menu”? I think, since Opera started with ver. 15 I used the menu around 20 or 30 times, just to see what’s new. The rest of the time there is no reason to use a menu.

    • ayespy

      I have never understood anyone wanting classic menu bar. The very first moment I became aware of ways to quit wasting that space, I have done so. All the way back when I first found out Opera had a way to hide it in a button, I did that. Have never voluntarily had a classic menu bar in any browser since then.

      • fanboy punisher

        Well yes, that’s why providing a horizontal, fixed bookmark bar makes it even more of a questionable and ridiculous feature.

        • ayespy

          For my purposes, no. Nothing ridiculous about it. I NEVER had to use the menu bar on a regular basis. I need to use my bookmarks bar continuously, visiting the same sites over and over for my work. I’d rather have it vertical on the right than at the top of the screen, but wherever it is, I have to have it where I can see it all the time and click on it when needed. YMMV

    • escruting

      I’d like the return of the classic menu bar too. Its better for me to see all the menus on screen. You also you have to do less clicks…

      • Nekomajin42

        You have to do exactly the same amount of clicks. However you have to do a little more mouse movements.

  • godutch

    Next to the minimize button on the window there is a key symbol in vista/win7 window decoration style, clicking it opens the menu. Is there any way to get rid of it? It look out of place in win8.1 and is unnecessary

  • Ralf Brinkmann

    The wonderful http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/HDEV/ crashes from time to time. That’s new in this version. And also new is this grey box, that tells me, that the page crashed. But it doesn’t crash at once. Sometimes it runs 1 hour and crashes in the background, while Opera is minimized or I’m in another tab. I have compared it with Chrome (running at the same time). In Chrome it goes on running. No crash. Maybe you can find out the reason.

    • Wraith

      Maybe is related to the video streaming, in my case is Youtube, it crashes a lot!

      • Ralf Brinkmann

        I thought it has something to do with hardware acceleration and switched it off today, but the result was the same. Youtube videos are running without problems here. W7x64 USB installation)

        • Wraith

          But as you can see, the pages that crashes are web site that has video streaming, the one you put up there (nasa), and for me youtube and netflix.

          • Ralf Brinkmann

            Yes, absolutely. Maybe Youtube doesn’t crash here, because the videos don’t run long enough. So possibly it has something to do with the RAM. I have 16 GB.

  • Inquisitor

    Suggestion: Please add feature: ‘Clear browsing data automatically when browser is closed’.

  • dflyra

    I have set Opera to start in start-page (speed-dial). Sometimes when I open a new tab (which is supposed to be the speed-dial) it opens as a blank page. If I go back to the start page tab, the blank new tab fills with the speed-dial, as it it should do in the first place.

    • ayespy

      Sounds similar to the problem I’m having where “speed dial” opens with no dials. If I refresh, they appear.

  • anony anony

    This is what I have posted on 08/05/2013 almost 10 months back for O17. I still do not see any changes I request for even with O22. I am happy now with Seamonkey, Chrome and Firefox. Will try my beloved Opera if any of these classic features come back.
    ——————————————————————————————————

    O17 is moving in the right direction. Like I asked many times
    before can you let us know what are features expected to come back to Opera may be with Opera 20?
    1. url blocker
    2. tab preview

    3. tab combination
    4. bookmarks (PROPER bookmarks – with
    this new bookmark bar there is no way I can change the name of it). I
    just dragged my bookmark from html link and now there is no way i can
    change the name of it or i can combine them to construct a folder).
    Really frustrating. Core Chromium has this feature you removed it
    and now try to bring it back after lot of cries in another form which is
    not at all easy to use. Is there easy way to appear/disappear the new
    bar cntrol+shift+B as in chromium? Or do I need to go to settings
    everytime to change this? If you decided to give us the bookmarks back
    why not just give it in the form chromium has? why combined speeddial
    and bookmarks and now giving us this access bar which has no control
    over it except make it appear or disappear from settings??? I rather
    prefer using comodo dragon if I am afraid of privacy. which is built on
    chromium has all the features of chromium. Why not start with core
    chromium and add features slowly? why are you inventing wheels again?
    sorry I could not resist myself asking this…

    5. customizations of speeddial
    6. easy syncing options
    between O15-O16-O17? If there is no way sync between O15 and O17 how do
    we test it? Dont come up with copying profiles etc? When all the
    browsers are making it easy why go a step backwards?

    PLEASE give us a table with Opera Classic feature and let us know what are the features we expect to see with future Opera say Opera 20. I do not want to know the time frame. At least I want to know what are the features I would get with future Opera such as Opera 20. If certain features I use/like are not going to come back there is no point in using Opera
    at all. Also let us know the extent of its use. For example you ruined
    bookmarks with speeddial (I understand few people like this – just keep
    that option for those people, for others please give us classic bookmark
    option). Now adding a bar on top to which I can only drag and drop.
    There is no other options to change the name or make a folder etc. Now
    this is not called proper bookmarks. The proper bookmark is like the one
    currently present with Chromium or CD.

    What are is the reason for having bing GOOGLE bar? No official word yet on this?
    Another
    example, you have given us the option for adding search engines such as
    DDG. If there is no option to make it my default no point of having
    that option either. Now this I dont call us an option to add search
    engine of choice.

    Another example, still syncing is not working. Now people would say
    O17 is just a preview. Then what about O15, is it not a final release?
    what about O16 next any new features still will be added to that are it
    is pretty much will be released in its current state?

    Please give us a blue print of Opera
    officially in a blog post. Not by random answers here and there between
    1000’s of comments. That means hiding. Please make the blue print
    visible to everyone easily.

    At the end of it, I pretty much like O17 preview. its stable, fast and usable. I am writing this comment from O17 preview.
    Thanks
    Nellai

  • Yet Another Opera Lover

    BIG suggestion:
    Remove “Updated to Chromium Version X” and bug fixes from your featured changes list in updates. None of those lines are features. See what users think about updates after that. If you don’t have any lines to add each time that don’t fall under those two types, please think about that as well.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      There is no list of features but a list of highlights and one of known issues (if the case).

  • Wraith

    I was very upset about the lack of a good bookmark manager but I found “Tidy Bookmarks” extension which is very cool, a button (like every bookmarks manager should be), you can add, remove and rearranged items too, I know I know is an extension but is enough till Opera team give us the bookmark manager.

    So my real concern right now is: When Full sync will come back?

    • CrashNBurn71

      Tidy Bookmarks is about as close to extension malware as you can get. It fucking injects ads on Webpages.

      • Wraith

        Well I don´t see extra ads on webpage, but I installed tidy bookmarks (spanish version)

  • ABDX

    why don’t u add the ability to show passwords in forms like IE 11 ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Insecure browsing anyone?

      • ABDX

        why ?

        • Alaknár

          It’s already there. Just click a saved password and the “Show” button will appear.

          • ABDX

            i mean while you are typing it

  • Alaknár

    ​That’s it.

    I’ve been a loyal user of Opera since version 8. I have always recommended this browser (even installed it on all work-PCs at one office where I was an admin) and tried to explain to people that it’s really the best out there and it’s not over-complicated as some people suggested.

    Then Opera 15 happened. I sticked to 9.16 for as long as possible, but now when I try to launch it, it freezes my PC for good two minutes and crashes on almost any website. It’s useless. I switched to the new Opera hoping that eventually all (or at least some) missing functionalities would be back – the bookmarks manager, the website short-names, speed-dial shortcuts, panels. All the small things that made Opera the greatest browser on the market.

    Instead I get “themes” that are just the Speed-Dial background images. I get silent updates I can’t even turn off. I get SILENT BOOKMARK IMPORTS. And from the default browser! That’s just too much.

    You don’t give us a bookmark manager, instead you throw all the old bookmarks at us without even asking if we want/need them. And what if my default browser is at my work-place, with all the work-related stuff? What if the default browser is not the one I use, since the account is shared with others?

    Goodbye Opera. It’s really hard to switch at this point but staying here any longer just seems pointless.

    • fanboy punisher

      Stick to O 11.64 or 12.17 man, why still use a version so outdated?

      99% of the sites I’m visiting are still working perfectly and if not, there is always the trick with Mask/Identify as…

      • Alaknár

        Haha, brain lag! Of course I meant 12.16. :)

        Unfortunately the issues I listed prevent me from using it. Opening the browser takes about 5 minutes (including a 2 minutes PC freeze) and then it just crashes on some 50% of the sites. It might be due to a quite large ammount of extensions, but… I need these extensions.

  • YemSalat

    Seriously guys, how often do you actually use bookmarks?
    And all those collections that you’ve been acquiring for years.. Won’t most of the links be dead by now anyway?

    • Alaknár

      I used the bookmarks for the nicknames. “yt” for YouTube, “gg” for Google Image search, and so on. I’d like to bookmark some of my YouTube music but I can’t without sub-folders.

      Etc., etc.

      • YemSalat

        Well, that’s not actually the purpose of bookmarks. So blaming opera for not having them because of that is kinda unfair. Plus, doesn’t opera already support shortcuts for speed dial and search?

        • Alaknár

          It’s really simple for me: all the browsers out there have a bookmarks manager. People use that for whatever reason. If they don’t want to use the bookmarks system, they… Don’t! Because no one MAKES you use them if you don’t need them. Opera MAKES users not use the bookmarks, because they decided that the majority of users don’t need that option.

          This is just plain retarded.

          • YemSalat

            Fair enough, I think it’s just the percentage of people that do use them is really tiny. Plus opera did not get rid of the bookmarks altogether, they replaced it with a new concept – stash, which gives the bookmarks a new form factor which may actually appeal to some people out there (people who never use bookmarks in their ‘classic’ form)

          • Alaknár

            A tiny percentage? Judging by the majority of replies in the Dev Blog it’s a pretty big percentage. At least in the active community, “the ones that give a damn”. May I remind you that the Beta forum thread about Opera 15 (then still “Next”) missing bookmarks gathered more replies than all other threads COMBINED.

            So knowing that, the devs go and remove the bookmarks manager. Yes, they had to go and remove it by hand, because all the Chromium based browsers have it by default. If they so desperately wanted to show a different approach to bookmarks, why not just disable the manager with an option to toggle it back on in the settings?

            It’s Opera 23 now, 8 version numbers past 15, and it still feels like pre-Alpha to me.

      • YemSalat

        -sorry, mistyped, please see my reply below-

        • IllusionMH

          These are search shortcuts that are useful for fearch and not for quick acces to webpages.
          And quick acces to webpage is purpose of bookmarks(in O12 shortcuts were very useful) as well as year old links to usefull webpages and documentation pages.
          If you don’t use bookmarks, this isn’t a reason to say that somebody “doing it wrong”.

          • YemSalat

            I never said that. Don’t misquote me.

          • YemSalat

            I never said that. Don’t misquote me.

          • IllusionMH

            This answer is also for your second reply.
            I thought that when you wrote “that’s not actually the purpose of bookmarks” you said almost “you doing it wrong”. I’m surry if I’m wrong, but looks like you have very different usecases for them.
            Bookmarks not for youtube or google(y and g are shortcodes for search engines), they are very useful for pages that not the first link from search, but found after several attempts.

          • YemSalat

            Perhaps I expressed myself too vaguely, I meant that using bookmarks as keyboard shortcuts is not their main purpose.
            And regarding ‘g’ and ‘y’ – I did not mean using them for search, I meant that when you focus on the address bar (Alt+D in Opera Next) and start typing ‘y’ – youtube will probably come up as the first suggestion (if you’re frequent there) so there is really no need for additional shortcuts for such popular sites.

          • IllusionMH

            even now there are no way to find it quickly with mentioned Ctrl+D for example.

            It is hard to search in current bookmarks. And shortcuts can be not so related to page/bookmark title.

            To be clear undes “Shortcuts” I mean “jsf” in url will lead me to jsfiddle.net and “od” will lead me to blogs.opera.com/desktop/.

            May be that I forgot how it was named in previous versions.

          • YemSalat

            So the actual request would be for shortcuts for sites, not a bookmark manager then?
            For example if said shortcuts were added for the stash, would it solve the problem?

          • IllusionMH

            No. Because Stash usable only for as temporary place for pages for “Read later” with it flat structure and IMHO not optimal interface.
            Bookmarks(with proper bookmarks manager) should allow nesting(folders), proper search and filtering.
            And IMHO Bookmarks bar should be subset of bookmarks functionality(in manager you should be able to set whether folder/item should be displayed or not). Sweet dreams…

          • YemSalat

            The whole conversation was about using bookmarks as shortcuts, why do you deviate back to bookmarks manager again?

            What is proper search and filtering for bookmarks? (genuine question)

          • IllusionMH

            I mentioned Manager as counter part to Stash to be more clear why I think it should be there and not in Stash.

            Search: by page title, url + custom description if needed.

            Filtering: at least by date(“I saw that link 2 month ago”… and searching gets really simple).

            Also something like tags will be useful for filtering, but this is edge case and can be replaced by search by custom description.

            These are theoretical wishes.

          • YemSalat

            Well the stash already searches by both url and page title (and even page content!!).
            I agree that at least grouping by date would be good, however I cant be sure (for myself) if I could remember when I visited some link.

            And still, this has nothing to do with keyboard shortcuts (why this whole conversation started)

          • IllusionMH

            First message in thread doesn’t contain anything about shortcuts and also I confused keyboard shortcuts with nicknames. So there are no reason to continue discussion.

          • YemSalat

            @Alaknar:disqus was talking about how he uses bookmarks as shortcuts (even though he called them ‘nicknames’)
            I agree, there is no reason to continue.

            I have a strong feeling that many people just got too hurt by Opera changing so much and now can’t stop complaining. Every single thread gets spammed with crying about bookmarks. They’re not ready yet! When they will be – you will be notified. That’s it. Thank you.

          • Alaknár

            Oh, but it’s not. I just gave you an example of one of the uses for bookmarks, don’t go ahead and say that’t the only reason for them.

            I have A LOT of old bookmarks that I seldom use. Because someone mentions something in a conversation and I can link a site in my reply. Because it’s a course and I need to remind myself of something. Because it’s a site with old ATARI games moved to HTML5 format I don’t have the time to play at the moment, but one day… Because it’s a site with guides to a program I don’t currently use but will use in the future.

            I don’t want to keep all of that in the Speed Dial, because it would be too cluttered (I have some 500+ bookmarks) and loading all of the page previews would take ages (plus – more RAM usage).

            I can’t use that in Stash for all the above reasons and also because I use Stash for something different.

          • YemSalat

            Fair enough, if you are a heavy user of bookmarks, you’ll have to wait for them to be implemented.
            But for now I they are still stored in Opera Link in case you need them.

            Though, in the original comment you said “I used the bookmarks for the nicknames” and I was replying to that.

          • Alaknár

            That’s the problem. I’m done waiting, especially since they now force me to import the default browser bookmarks into the speed dial.

            I just switched to a browser that is made for me to change, not to change me.

          • YemSalat

            What do you mean by “they now force me to import the default browser bookmarks into the speed dial” ?

          • Alaknár

            Opera doesn’t handle bookmarks other than Speed-Dial or the bookmarks bar. Both of these can’t handle the multi-level bookmarks I have in Opera 12 (still my default browser).

            Whatever it is – bookmarks bar or the SD – I don’t want my bookmarks cluttered there.

    • Sotos

      We use bookmarks daily and we have lots of them… Personally I don’t have a dead link in about 150 bookmarks. It is a serious feature to me and a reason why I unistalled this sh*t and using Firefox now…

  • IllusionMH

    Problems with opera menu on two monitor configuration.
    Monitors are placed horizontaly and Multiple dasplays is set to Extend these displays.
    When Opera is maximized on the right monitor Menu is opened on the left monitor.
    It doesn’t depend on whic monitor is set as main.

    Windows 8.1
    Opera 23 Dev
    Opera 22 Stable

  • YemSalat

    I think that Opera relations guys should learn the following lesson from this thread:
    If something actually exciting is happening in the update (like H264 and notifications support) – it should be posted above everything else and not hidden under ‘changelog’ link.
    Know your audience!
    I would have no idea, unless I read the comments.
    And yeah, most of us don’t care about the searchbox in extensions (myself included)

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Pst: Its not entirely ready yet.

  • L33t4opera

    New Opera Developer 23.0.1522.10.

  • Rafael Luik

    @All FYI Opera 12 had silent import just like this.

  • Arakki

    Hey

    It was time for me to do a test with the latest stable build which I’d promised myself to do every 6 months (last one was 17 stable). I downloaded the installer, did an USB install to test and after fiddling with settings for a good 10 minutes. I went and enabled rocker gestures and advanced keyboard shortcuts + made the default action to open “about:blank” when browser starts. Went through all the flags with thought and here are the issues which still are wrong in my personal usage and force me to stay on O12 and Chrome:

    Issues:

    1. Cannot set home page (or start page) to a user-inputted value

    2. Cannot close all tabs
    2.1. Closing last tab shows speed dial isntead of about:blank

    3. Tabs are added at the end of list instead of next to active one
    3.1. If I have tabs open “1, 2, 3, 4″ and I middle-mouse on a link on tab 2, (let’s name it 2.1) the new list is “1, 2, 3, 4, 2.1″ instead of expected “1, 2, 2.1, 3, 4″

    4. Can’t switch shortcut for “New Tab” to what I’m used to
    4.1 This might be possible by importing Presto settings, but I really do not want to start fiddling with this and keeping the O12 installation just to change keyboard shortcuts on O22+

    5. Still no bookmarks menu and bookmark manager

    Goods:
    1. Full URL is finally shown

    2. Err, starts faster than ever

    That’s about it, I’ll do an another peek on January to see if things have progressed to a properly customizable browser. No, extensions/add-ons/add-ins are not customization as they are not a trusted source of features. They might get discontinued after a week, change behaviour suddenly or contain malware (see recent news).

  • http://bizarrotheater.blogspot.com/ SmackMacDougal

    Bookmarks importer fails to work on an upgrade from a previous version of Opera.

    And that is why exactly I have not made the jump back to Opera since the workers of Opera have embraced the Chromium platform.

    The lack of a way to import bookmarks (e.g., FILE | BOOKMARKS | IMPORT ), functionality going on 20+ years, can’t be described by any words less than giant-sized fail.

    The bottom line is that some of us rely on Javascript bookmarks (bookmarklets) to extend the browser into a pseudo operating system.

    Without the ability to bring into Opera, bookmarks manually, but in bulk, Opera product managers continue to drop the ball.

  • Pandamasque

    It’s completely unfathomable how Opera managed to go through 11 iterations of a new-gen browser without implementing THE most important feature of an internet browser in it (apart from being able to actually display web pages). Ridiculous. And hugely annoying, since Opera12 is now unable to display Facebook at all and is really struggling with Youtube, Coub, Twitter and many other sites.

    Just venting my frustration, while I download Chrome.

    Have been using Opera as my #1 browser at home and at work since 2006.

  • http://batman-news.com Vorteilspack

    Not working even in this version number. Tried 5 different things now. Still unable to import bookmarks. Thanks for making a good browser that is incapability of doing the basics. I will not manually import my thousand bookmarks from Chrome to Opera only because the devs think this is no important feature. Well back to buggy chrome.

  • Sotos

    The lack of a descent bookmark manager makes opera unusable… All this time the community cries for a bookmark manager but still, nothing happens… Devs just don’t care… Time for me to switch to Mozilla…
    Guys, just get rid of opera and install a proper browser like Firefox… Let these non-hearing devs alone, maybe then the’ll start hearing again…

  • Al Fabrizio

    This is total bullshit and a waste of my time. There is no bookmark importer or it is disabled. After spending 45 minutes trying to sort this, I’m going to simply uninstall. Who ever heard of a browser without bookmarks? Speed Dial? Stash? What do I need with dumb gimmicks?

  • Cicuta

    I have the latest opera and the settings option does not show the import/export option … why?

  • Cicuta

    I want to export the bookmarks for safekeeping or in case I have problems, as I did before, and I don’t loose my bookmarks as I did before.

  • Cicuta

    What is so great about bookmarks importer? IE and Motzilla has had it for centuries.

  • Cicuta

    By the way, the Menu really stinks. Is better to have a Menu bar at the very top with all the different options like IE and Motzilla. If I want to export bookmarks for instance I just click File>import/export and that is it. A piece of cake.

  • Cicuta

    The bottom line is user friendliness and IE is the best; however, it crashes a lot among other problems which are easy to solve. Mozilla mimic IE almost 100% but also crashes a lot. Nothing perfect in this world. I have been having connection problems with Opera and the problem was “an invalid Opera stable identifier OperaStable.oex in the Windows Registry which Norton caught but could not get rid of; hence I re-installed Opera; so far is OK. I had the same problem twice.

  • Cicuta

    Also Opera Help is no help.

  • Cicuta

    So far no one has given me any answers … that is really helpful.

  • Cicuta

    Bye

  • universalconcepts

    dudes….wtf is up with importing bookmarks??? would love to migrate permanently to Opera, but i cant import my f&%#ing bm’s.
    doin…research here

    blaaaaaahhh

    ps- precog kickin some update notion here….pre 23 update. pre-apologiez