Opera Developer update 23.0.1514.1

Today we have a new selection of fixes, plus a minor but helpful UI modification. With this update our developer stream moves to version 23.0.1514.1.

A new search box in Themes and Extensions

We find the search boxes in our WebUIs to be quite useful, so it has now been added to Themes and Extensions as well. This should help prevent you from getting lost, while trying out all the latest Opera add-ons.

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Further Network installer improvements

Our Network Installer is also constantly improving. Most recently we fixed a problem that could prevent updates when the download passes through a proxy server. If you weren’t able to get the network installer to work before, we encourage you to give it another try.

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  • Dave-H

    Thanks Przemek! (First for once!)

  • kapsi

    Linux pls

  • L33t4opera

    Thanks for the info about the update, Przemek I’m going to test it now ;-)

  • Martin

    Speed dial folders do not render for me when hardware acceleration is on.

    • Vux777

      something is wrong with SD folders..
      in my case, with or without HWA
      they blink, content (thumbnails) disappears, they are slow opening…

      • helsten2

        Confirmed!

        Win7 x64

      • Der Herr Nick

        For me they are jumping up and down erratically. Somewhat creepy. Seems to be the Opera “Paranormal Activity”-Edition.

    • http://ratkutti.wordpress.com Karthikeyan

      Same here. Speed Dial Extensions doesn’t work too. All i see is a white thing since last update.

      • knoelli

        The same here. Speed dial extensions do load but don’t show any content. (Windows 8.1/64)

        • http://ratkutti.wordpress.com Karthikeyan

          Same OS and architecture.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Here they are shown in grey without HWA as well as with it.

  • Verden er fantastisk

    My speed dial’s with support for viewing status for forexample Facebook and Twitter is still broken..

    • http://ratkutti.wordpress.com Karthikeyan

      Yes. Same here.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      That’s interesting. How do you make a speed dial refresh and show a FB status? Or you meant something else.,,

      • Verden er fantastisk

        I mean that forexample this extension doesn’t work for me (speed dial): https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/speed-dial-for-facebook/?display=en Does it for you?

        • Dmitry Kirin

          No, it does not. The extension’s speed dial shows an empty globe. On the extension page, there are reports that it stopped working around May 2014. I’m not sure I understand correctly how Facebook integration works, but I guess it requires some Facebook application installed and permitted to retrieve your status info. The extension manifest lists a request for permissions for extension-host.opera.com. Google search on it reveals some page that leads to a Facebook app asking for permission to get that info.
          http://extension-host.opera.com/fb-proxy/login.html?lang=en

  • Ralf Brinkmann

    I can’t update my former Opera Dev version. If I try an automatic update, the answer is “Version: 23.0.1508.0 – when checking for updates an error has occurred”.

    When I do a manual update, the sfx archive installs the new subdirectory to the Opera folder, but doesn’t launch Opera. And it’s not possible to start Opera after the update manually. Maybe there is an error in the sfx archive.

    • Przemek Kudła

      What system do you use? Any specific configuration?

      • Ralf Brinkmann

        W7x64, USB installation. Some extensions as everybody here, nothing special.

        • Helge Andre Gjølme

          Sounds like there is something wrong with your profile, probably one offending file causing this.

          Since you have a USB install you can actually copy the entire Install folder to a new location and tinker with it. Start deleting files until you find the offending file(s).
          We have not been able to reproduce this internally so any help would be greatly appreciated.

          Can you report a bug report and let us know the bug ID here?

          • Aneta Reluga

            Additional quick question, can you please do the following:
            – Quit Opera and move your profile to another location.
            – Restart Opera.
            – If Opera updates, quit again, restore your profile and restart Opera.

            What happens for the steps above?
            Thanks.

          • Ralf Brinkmann

            Hi Helge and Aneta!
            I think it was a conflict with my preferences file. I could install new Opera Dev in a new folder, but as soon as I copied my old preferences file to the data folder, Opera did not start anymore.
            The good thing is, that Opera now runs again. The bad thing is, that I had to do nearly all settings again (because there is no settings.ini file) and that I lost all my extensions, even I copied the complete folders and files with the word “extension” in it to the new data folder. And I lost all my cookie exception rules, because I don’t know in which files they are stored. Can you please tell me which file or folder I have to copy from my old profiledata folder to the new one?

    • rufu2

      I just noticed a similar thing, also on Win7 x64 USB / standalone installation. In opera://about it says “Version: 23.0.1514.1″ and it checks for updates, starts downloading an update and stops with “Could not download the update”

      I think 1514.1 is the latest version? So of course there is no update to be downloaded??

      • rufu2

        OK, 1522 is out now. There was an overlap with the new version being “announced” to the updater and not yet being available.

  • FoxkidMCF .

    “Version: 23.0.1508.0 – when checking for updates an error has occurred”
    Same problem here.

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      Press F5 to refresh the page. It’ll show the correct result then.

    • Aneta Reluga

      Did Christoph142’s suggestion fix your issue? Thanks.

      • FoxkidMCF .

        Well, no It just said “Your opera is updated” when it wasn’t

        I had to update through the network installer. :(

        @offtopic: is there any plans to change that ugly blue bar on the top of opera, so themes can be called REAL themes?
        Please reply :(

  • Threepwood

    Still no fix for DPI > 100%…

    • Marcin Mitek

      It’s coming, stay tuned.

  • Inquisitor

    Opera 23 updated fine to v23.0.1514.1, but it will not restart.

    • Przemek Kudła

      Opera is not expected to restart after an update. It could be a bit confusing for the user if Opera were just restarted automatically.

      • Inquisitor

        What I meant was: I closed O23 when the update was complete, then I clicked the launch icon, and nothing happened. I cannot open O23! (Had to use Firefox to write these posts)

        • Przemek Kudła

          It seem you are not the only one who has this problem. What is you operating system?

          • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

            Yeah, it just says “23.0.WHATEVER is available” (after refreshing the page since I still get that “error checking for updates”)
            Windows 8.1 over here

          • Przemek Kudła

            We had an issue with the download infrastructure, but it was fixed. Do you still face this problem?

          • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

            Yes, still the same.
            Though I’m actually glad it doesn’t update since this build doesn’t start up on my machine (as mentioned in another comment).

          • Inquisitor

            Windows7 64bit

          • Przemek Kudła

            Is it either regular installation or USB? We found some issue with extensions, a new dev release should be ready tomorrow.

          • Vux777

            yey…
            could you squeeze bug fix for this in it maybe?

          • Inquisitor

            Regular installation.

        • http://ratkutti.wordpress.com Karthikeyan

          Close all the instance using Task Manager, try now.

      • Ralf Brinkmann

        Sorry, but Opera did always restart after an update.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Not for me. I always needed to restart it manually.

          • Ralf Brinkmann

            Under Windows? Here every single version restartet itself after updating. And now there is no restart and no manual start.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            I was expecting that too. Stared at it like a retard waiting, hahaha.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Yes, on Windows 8.1.
            This one just started with the new build but usually it shows “restart Opera to load the build xxxx” (or something like that) on opera:about.

  • Nekomajin42

    DNA-13567 Implementation of MP3 and H.264 support in Windows 7 WP1

    Is it related to the audio and video elements?

    • Przemyslaw Kudla

      Yes, it is. We are working on this and should be available of release quality soon.

      • Nekomajin42

        Great, thanks!

        Anyway, what do these WP1, WP2 and so mean?

        • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

          Just internal work packages. (Split up tasks to handle approximately equally sized portions one at a time).

          • Nekomajin42

            Thanks!

      • L33t4opera

        Hi Przemek, are you going to implement the H.264 codec support for Windows XP, or only for Windows 7 and above?

        • Przemek Kudła

          We are using Microsoft technology to support H.264. Unfortunately Windows XP doesn’t support it. Also Vista is problematic, it is not 100% compatible.
          Officially we will support Windows 7 and above. Vista might be tweaked by the user to work with H.264.

          • L33t4opera

            Sorry to say that, but with “opera://flags/#proprietary-media-types-playback” flag enabled, this webpage crashing all the time.

          • Przemek Kudła

            Thank you for information. We know that this feature is not stable. That’s the reason it is disabled by default and I didn’t mention about in the blog.

          • L33t4opera

            Ok, I understand that this is still work in progress. I mentioned it, just to let you know, that the issue exist. I hope that this feature, will be fully implemented pretty soon.

  • http://howtovacuumgames.6f.sk/ DoctorJellyface

    Opera dev, I challenge you!

    I am on Linux, and I haven’t got any good email client (or browser). TB & FF are slow as hell, and Sylpheed doesn’t support HTML rendering.

    So, here comes the challenge:

    Can you, right now, compile Opera Mail for Linux, I empathize, RIGHT NOW, and throw it to us?

    We’ll see what happens.

    We dare. Do you?

  • Vux777

    bad build…
    -SD folders are bugged when opening them
    -stash also
    -no default favicons on bookmarks bar
    -started to constantly crash when loading this page (on disqus comments particularity)
    -iFrames still won’t load CSS for child elements
    -opening FB profile in bg tab still ads that padding on bluebar
    ….
    :/

  • inDigazzZ

    Double clicking (for select all text) is not working in search boxes of all WebUIs.
    Only triple clicking…

  • Mister

    Dear developers, I can’t go from the Opera12 to the Opera21 because 21 haven’t bookmarks.

    • Nekomajin42

      It is currently under developement.

      • SQL

        They are theorycrafting*

        • Nekomajin42

          Bruce Lawson wrote two weeks ago that they were evaluating prototypes.

          • SQL

            Yes – they almost know where to put that one pixel now – they’re not quite sure yet but the mac team is working very hard to find the best spot for the first pixel. Then they only need to place about 4 thousand more. Slowly but surely..

          • SQL

            To support my knowledge about the Opera Mac team have this:
            DNA-21154 [Mac] Pixel adjustments. Centering and right border clipping

          • Nekomajin42

            Will you stop trolling with only one item from the changelog?

          • SQL

            DNA-20818 [Mac] The heart in the address field is too dark
            DNA-17217 [Mac] Default Bookmarks Bar icon is not pixel perfect – Part 2

            DNA-16016 [Mac] Wrong styling when dragging Bookmarks Bar elements
            DNA-15267 Wrong position of the download popup on Mac when away from the edge of the screen
            We pixel perfectionists here

          • Marcin Mitek

            You certainly have never faced the designer when something is 1 px off to the left/right.

          • YemSalat

            Pixel perfection is important. Its one of those “small things” that you never notice until its gone.

          • SQL

            How come only mac is receiving these pixel perfection updates then? :D Shouldn’t it be windows too?

          • YemSalat

            Windows version is already perfect :)

    • Jonathan Aanesen

      Im using bookmarks in Opera, no problem there. Just activate them in the settings. Keep in mind that the bookmarks are far from finished developed.

      • Nekomajin42

        That’s what he said…

  • inDigazzZ

    Manage extensions… is not navigating to extension.
    It only opens opera://extensions

    But one scroll up/down – then it aims to extension’s position.

    • rufu2

      Confirmed on Win7 x64

  • Test Drive

    I haven’t gotten the answer to my question after all this time :

    * What is it you have that Chrome doesn’t ?!

    *Why should users choose something as incomplete as the current Opera other than Google’s semi-featured Chrome (Yeah… Chrome really isn’t comparable to what Opera 12.x used to be…) ?

    *What is it you provide that gives you the Edge against Google Chrome?

    • A. R.

      Yes, why bother with Opera when there is Chrome and Firefox?

      Will Opera succeed to make yet another success? The previous one was the previous Opera.

    • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

      That question has been answered many times. Keyword search, Speed Dial extensions and smooth mouse gestures are all Opera-exclusive features that I use everyday.

      • Test Drive

        And… That’s it ?

        +Keyword Search…
        +Speed Dial Extensions…
        +Mouse Gestures (Smooth)…

        -Bookmarks
        -Stable Sync
        -Any Performance better and higher than Chrome

        So… you’re telling us… If chrome had Smooth scrolling, Speed Dial Extensions and Keyword search and probably a bunch of “flags” (which I can’t use since I’m a mainstream user… I don’t know and don’t understand that weird stuff !), using Opera would have no benefit over Chrome whatsoever ?

        You really put up convincing features for the argument…

        • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

          Sorry, are you thinking while you type or do you just shit on the keyboard?

          1. I didn’t mention smooth scrolling. I mentioned smooth MOUSE GESTURES.

          2. If a supermarket cart had an engine, brakes, a good transmission, windshields, a gas tank and headlights, using a car would have no benefit over using a cart. But the fact is the cart doesn’t have all those features and the car has them. Your point being…?

          3. Opera has bookmarks. I have 5500 of them.

          • Test Drive

            Please… give us a picture of all your 5500 bookmarks in the Toolbar… and then navigate through them !
            That… would be… Interesting !

            also…a Video would be a given !

          • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

            I have no desire to share my 5500 bookmarks with a bunch of complete strangers, sorry. Just imagine they are all midget porn videos, sorted in dozens of categories. That will do.

            If you don’t believe me, you could just try to bookmark 5500 pages yourself. You will be able to do so, and to categorize them in as many folders and subfolders as you want.

          • Test Drive

            Man… you’re right ! I just imported my 7600 Bookmarks to Opera !

            1. I had to put them in 12 folders… more than that and they would hide from the toolbar…

            2. I could add 30 bookmarks to each folder… more than that and they would take the whole screen…

            3. 30×12 = 360 Bookmarks… 7600 – 360 = 7240 Remaining Bookmarks !

            4. for the rest of 7240 Bookmarks, I had to go back and add more folders to the current folders !

            Yeah… so… that’s why logic, doesn’t work on a 5500 Bookmarks guy who tries to stuff his Midget porn in a Toolbar !

          • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

            If you have 7600 bookmarks, there is no bookmark manager in the world that will let you see them all at the same time on the screen, in any browser, at all.

            There are expectations, and then there are reasonable expectations.

          • Test Drive

            Well… that’s also the case with trying to stuff 5500 bookmarks in the Toolbar (uh… sorry… BOOKMARK Bar).

            and if I’m wrong, just showing a picture of your 5500 Boomarks in the Toolbar would prove me wrong…

            The things is… Opera can do better than this…. either the Experienced developers are gone (which I don’t believe) or they’ve given up on innovation…

            there’s a third possibility : Developers WANT to innovate but they’ve lost the chain of connection with the Management…

            either way… it’s not good…

            NEVER FORGET : Don’t Underestimate Opera… If you’re trying to lie to your self with the current potential Opera has and the current features it gives, you’re destroying the real potential this guys have…

            They were Awesome… They Are Awesome… They Can do better than this… They Should Do Better than this… They MUST do better than this…

          • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

            Yes, exactly. You cannot get all your bookmarks in the toolbar visible at the same time, and you cannot get all of them visible at the same time with the Chrome bookmark manager either, nor with the Firefox side panel, nor with the Opera 12 panel or manager, nor with anything. Of course all thebookmarks are there, but you will never fit them all on the screen.

          • Pesala

            You can rename your folders to use shorter names. I have 13 folders and two bookmarklets on my toolbar, with plenty of space for more on 1920 x 1080 pixels.

          • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

            Sorry, are you thinking while you type or do you just shit on the keyboard?

            1. I didn’t mention smooth scrolling. I mentioned smooth MOUSE GESTURES.

            The question is why you don’t thinking while you type, because he in beginning of the comment he didn’t wrote about scrolling.

          • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

            In the beginning he didn’t. But after that he wrote: “If chrome had Smooth scrolling, Speed Dial Extensions and Keyword search…” Do you only read the beginning of every comment? If so, you should consider changing that.

          • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

            Do you only read the beginning of every comment?

            Lol, nope.

          • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

            You act as if that was the case.

    • Rafael Luik
  • Sync Originals

    Pity, Bandcamp . com still not playing :(! 3 updates on… mbp – 10.9.3.

    • Jonathan Aanesen

      Only version of Opera where it isn’t working for me is 23 (Developer), which is in the first place a build where bugs are supposed to be found etc. Works as supposed to in Next and Stable :)

  • xbqo

    The new Opera already has some useful features which chrome doesn’t. Like the lazy session restore features and so on.

    Opera will become better, just have faith and be patient.

    BTW, dear developers, since you are already working on the linux version, could you provide a regular progress/status report on the linux version? I think that will definitely silent those “linux pls” comments

    • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

      It’s cool you’re liked your own comment, lol.

      • xbqo

        If I don’t agree with myself I won’t post it ;)

        • Joana Silva

          If you post something, logically you agree and like it…:P

      • Cryio

        You’ve*

        • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

          Argh, damn typo ;p

  • Zoly

    The new heart menu is really irritating!

    If you must stick with the menu, why not:
    – leave the one click for stashing pages
    – double click could add page to the startup page
    – and show the menu on right click

    For me it sound like a more intuitive way.

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      What’s intuitive about this?! ^^

      • Zoly

        The default purpose of the hearth icon is to stash pages so I would expect to do exactly that, to stash the page when I press it.

        The second one, well … yes, it’s disputable.

        But having multiple options on a single button most of us are expecting to be shown if right click is pressed.

        • Nekomajin42

          Multiple options per button is the worst case scenario for average users. The heart menu is fine as it is now.

          However, they should define shortcuts to add pages to the SD and the stash. Or allow us to define custom shortcuts.

          • Zoly

            I can’t be more agree with you. “Multiple options per button is the worst case scenario for average users.” This is why in my opinion the heart menu should be shown only when explicitly asked with right click on the hearth button.

            There are mostly two big scenarios when multiple options are used:

            – the first one is when you start with a clean opera profile and start adapting opera to your needs. This is the faze when you extensively use the multiple options while you build your startup page and in the same time you also stash some pages, maybe put some pages to the bookmark bar also.

            – the second one is when you are a daily opera user and the start page is stable and you mostly stash pages for later use and just rarely add some pages to the start page. In this case you will select always the same and only option from the menu (the stashing one) each time. So basically, most of the time, the menu is in your way and an avoidable step to your goal. In this case having the supplementary options available to you by a simple right click on the heart icon would suffice.

            I can understand the need for the heart menu to be visible for first time users, but at least an option for advanced ones could be available to chose a different behavior if they think it’s better suited for them.

            I don’t use often the bookmark bar, but a simple drag and drop is my way to use it when I do. I can’t think of a reason to drag the mouse through the whole wide screen just to press a button to activate a menu and then choose the add page to bookmark bar option to do the same operation, but I don’t mind it there as long as it doesn’t pup up each time I want to simply stash a page.

          • Nekomajin42

            I think there should be an option that restores the pre-heartmenu state of icons in the address field, and everyone would be happy. One more click is not a big deal for me, if I don’t have to position the mouse cursor precisely, but your point is valid. However, I don’t think the multiple actions per button is the good way. Different left and right button actions maybe, but not the double and triple clicks.
            (That’s not the same as the recently closed tabs in the main menu, where I have to move the mouse in a very thin line to avoid jumping to the Page submenu.)

          • Vux777

            there is a flag to disable it

          • Nekomajin42

            But the flag will be gone when the feature goes to stable. So there should be a permanent checkbox in the settings.

  • LoutrePerfide

    SD Folder are indeed broken :(

  • error

    I want Opera Dev team clarify one thing as I see still many users wait for Linux version and you are using chromium 35+.
    As you know chromium dropped NPAPI support on Linux (almost year earlier than other platforms due to switching to Aura) with version 35. This means no java, drm flash, silverlight support on anything that is based on chromium 35+ on Linux. Don’t get me wrong I am not against killing NPAPI, I am even for ditching all plugins from web but not like this, without any transition especially since only chrome/chromium Linux users got this treatment. One day there is support, other, bang, no plugins work at all and there is no workaround, alternative for this other than using other browser. I probably don’t have to remind that many governments use java plugins on large scale for all paperwork, taxes, etc. , same with business world, silverlight VOD’s and flash DRM content is part of web for now if we want it or not.

    I was speaking with one Oracle dev they don’t work on pepper java plugin and doesn’t have any plans supporting PAPI for now. There are also pipelight,moonlight NPAPI plugins that are the only way to watch silverlight content on Linux, same, no PAPI plugin in plans. The only pepper plugin out there, flash plugin, doesn’t have DRM module on Linux so every content bought on Google Play, Amazon, etc. won’t play/show if it requires flash. NPAPI flash plugin is still supported and it has DRM module and works with DRM content. As we speak now PAPI adoption is non-existent.

    So here is my question, will Opera dev team reimplement NPAPI support (you’ve said you got people working on blink), talk with Adobe, Oracle devs, or release Linux version (if it will happen this year(ever?) at all) without java, drm flash content, every plugin out there support? Chromium devs won’t do it but they will accept patches if anyone will step up (at least that’s what they say).

    With chromium problem can be dealt with just using 34 version till other platforms will drop NPAPI support and some plugins will be worked out but since Opera never released Linux version it should be said beforehand because waiting for browser without plugins may be totally pointless for many and delaying their migration from 12 (which really has some serious problems with sites nowadays, especially forever loading bugs) to other browsers might be just a waste of time.

    Oh and one thing about those surveys you are doing, the same thing chrome devs is doing and they told them that nobody is using plugins (0,7% of users, flash included). Problem is they’ve got more direct phone calls after they’ve killed so early NPAPI on Linux than max plugin users that can potentially exist on Linux based on those surveys. In other words those aren’t representative at all (I can’t believe anybody knowing statistics could think so) and only shows preferences of one group of users which never change even one option. You are doing the same mistake with bookmarks and other features but that is your choice and judgment.

    • Rafael Luik

      When Chrome drops NPAPI you know what’s going to happen right? Millions of users will nag websites’ customer support saying they can’t access content (that’s the ones that didn’t update already), imagine the impact. Sites will be updated quickly.

      Netflix is already experimenting with HTML5 video – EME is shipping in Chrome and Firefox. Silverlight dies with this alone (and soon Flash).
      Java embedded in webpages is useless. The only pages I still encounter using it are the ones from banks in Brazil, even then you can ask them to remove the necessity of installing the protection module/shield plug-ins/add-ons/executables already.

      Opera doesn’t need to waste time re-coding a legacy tech cause of thousands of security and stability issues.

      chrome devs is doing and they told them that nobody is using plugins (0,7% of users, flash included)

      False.

      • error

        Please read my post one more time. Chrome will drop NPAPI in a year or later on Windows and Mac. Linux NPAPI support is dropped now, users nag Oracle, Adobe, Microsoft for pepper plugins and Websites that they can’t access content and what happens? Use other browser, that is answer you will get. Websites won’t rewrite themselves in one day, one month, some even in year.

        And you are mistaken about one thing, after Chrome will drop NPAPI on Windows and Mac, it will work on Firefox (have plans of dropping plugins but for all platforms in the same time at later time when some alternative can be worked out like shumway, html5 drm, etc.) on Internet Explorer (they don’t plan to drop their own plugin system). I don’t see anybody working on PPAPI plugins now and I don’t think they will magically write themselves. As I was saying PPAPI adoption is non-existent and it was introduced how many years ago? 5 years (12 August 2009 according to wiki)! Other problem is that it’s only Chrome API, Firefox statement is that they don’t have plans to implement it.

        Yeah silverlight and flash is dying but is a process which will take years. You don’t see that Linux Chromium and future Opera (if ever released) users don’t have plugins now and won’t have them in year, maybe more or ever if PPAPI won’t become some kind of standard or NPAPI will be reintroduced in blink engine. Netflix is experimenting with html5 how long? 2 years? and nothing changed. All VOD’s I see is silverlight, Google Play flash drm (even Google doesn’t care that their browser is not compatible with their content on Linux), Amazon flash drm. I don’t want to write novel about java applets and their worth but you are writing only from your perspective. I run a small IT related company and I am encountering them on daily basis, whole business is full of them, same with government apps, especially in South America and Europe.

        This 0.7% is from chromium dev mailing list https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/chromium-dev/xEbgvWE7wMk/D_07G2lftacJ

        “We feel comfortable doing so because affected plug-ins all have 30-day launch rates below .7% of Linux Chrome users.”

        affected plugins are all plugins available now so…

        • Rafael Luik

          Netflix is experimenting with html5 how long? 2 years? and nothing changed.

          Hm? Browsers are implementing EME now, that changed.

          Websites that they can’t access content and what happens? Use other browser, that is answer you will get. Websites won’t rewrite themselves in one day, one month, some even in year.

          And what are these big websites we are talking about? Are you from an oriental region where you depend on IE ActiveX and the like? Because I can’t find any sites in the occident using Java in a serious way anymore. Do you really think site owners will fight against millions and millions of Chrome users and that these users will accept to move to another browser? The owners of these companies for whom the sites are made are Chrome users, they’ll demand the site to work in their own PC. I remember well how when Chrome launched and its market share skyrocketed even sites that didn’t work with Opera started to work because pressure was so big the sites were being remade (with a little better standards mentality than it was before when they aimed for compatibility with IE5 and Fx1).
          Obs: enterprises will always be retarded with their need to run old pages/pug-ins that only work in IE, and they can only blame themselves for opting to use technologies tied to it or similarly tied to other tech or already outdated tech at the time of implementation and avoiding updates for long periods of time.

          it will work on Firefox (have plans of dropping plugins but for all platforms in the same time at later time when some alternative can be worked out like shumway, html5 drm, etc.) on Internet Explorer (they don’t plan to drop their own plugin system)

          You’re just telling me they’re keeping up with the goal of ditching NPAPI (nicely or not), or late, or full retarded in the game (poor Micsrofot must support legacy stuff in IE, otherwise the enterprise world breaks with a new IE release)…

          “We feel comfortable doing so because affected plug-ins all have 30-day launch rates below .7% of Linux Chrome users.”

          affected plugins are all plugins available now so…

          Well this quote is about NPAPI, it doesn’t include the integrated PPAPI Flash player and the integrated PDF reader. It’s not hard to believe the stat is accurate.

          I don’t want to write novel about java applets and their worth

          I’ll write shortly: they worth zero, actually a very big negative value now that every smart browser vendor wants to ditch it.

          Sorry about my language. :D

          • error

            You really understand we are talking about Linux right? NPAPI support will be there for Windows and Mac probably for a year. Chromium Linux NPAPI support is gone now and won’t be there in Opera for Linux (if ever released).

            And what sites? All which requires plugins? Please, I gave you examples earlier, I won’t write every drm flash, silverlight site out there

            I see you don’t have idea about java applets so I will give you more simple example, gaikai needs java plugin for streaming games (like all this type of services). There are also whole games written as applets which uses java plugin.

            0.7% wasn’t accurate because their own support confirmed that when I was calling them.

            I am giving you facts and you are giving me only wishful thinking and perspective from one user experience something is wrong here. Chromium devs are not gods and they can’t force others to use their plugin API also they are doing really bad job in convincing anyone to write plugins for it (at least that’s the picture for now).

          • Rafael Luik

            You failed to understand what I said…

          • YemSalat

            Why support something that introduces the greatest amount of security wholes in browsers to date?

  • sbs73000

    Looking forward to testing the new searchbox in themes : greatest evolution since the Discover shortcut in the opera menu.

    No, seriously : I like the new Opera. But I’m slowly – and unintentionaly – migrating to (new) Firefox which has 2 or 3 things a browser must have : (real) bookmarks, (operational) sync, cleaning when closing… Very little things, but essential for me.

    So, thanks for your good job… But hurry up ! :)

    (Just realise I post that from Firefox…)

    • CrashNBurn71

      Session Manager, Tree Style Tabs (in the browser, not hanging out on the side of it), custom shortcuts without editing a config file, Toolbars on top, on the left, on the right, on the bottom…If I wanted I could trip out FF to look and function to about 90% of O12 without my computer crawling on it’s knees. Oh yeah and “customize interface” ala Opera 6/7-12.x :-)

      FireFox is the new Opera. It’s just a disorganized mess as there is no central config since you need so many extensions installed.

      It would seem Blink is the problem, Sleipnir used to be pretty awesome and customizable too. Yet their version 5 that now uses Blink instead of WebKit has absolutely ZERO ways to customize — no more side tabs, or tab groups, or panel, nada.

      • YemSalat

        Blink and webkit are rendering engines.

        • CrashNBurn71

          Wow THANKS YemSalat!!! I didn;t know that I’m only a webdeveloper. What are some more rendering engines, you seem so knowledgeable on the subject.

          • YemSalat

            Only a webdeveloper hey? Funny. Not a great one it seems.
            What does the rendering engine have to do with the way the browser interface works?

          • CrashNBurn71

            Ah Wikipedia, interesting place, is that new?

            Well why don’t we look at Presto. Which also happens to be a “rendering engine”. Which also happened to be used to “render” the Opera GUI. Or every other current Blink browser, which do not have panels, sidebars, Status Bars, or any extra room for extension icons.

            Is that because all of the devs of those browsers are inept? We know the Opera devs aren’t inept, they made one of the best browsers for over a decade.

            There’s Otter, and they’ve brought in QT5 for the interface. Which if “Blink” didn’t have so many restrictions on what was ‘allowed’ in the browser window wouldn’t be necessary.

          • YemSalat

            Okay, I admit, a link to wikipedia was not the best move on my part, more of an attempt of insult ;)

            Presto was hard-baked into Opera, unlike webkit, unlike blink.

            You’re confusing blink with Chromium perhaps?

            Yes some of the chrome’s features are more deeply integrated into Blink then they were in webkit (V8 for example)
            But then again, QT5 for otter is what Chromium is for Blink.
            Opera’s interface is based on Chromium as well.
            So don’t compare apples and oranges, mr “webdeveloper”

          • CrashNBurn71

            Maxthon doesn’t cut it. There’s definitely no “vertical” or Side tabs. The Left “toolbar” can’t be moved to the right side. There is no “customize interface”. Extension icons on the address bar, can’t be moved to the “left vertical toolbar”. Extension icons can’t be placed on the status bar.
            Looks like they made a “notes” extension though.
            There is no window/tab manager. No BookMarks/History/etc panel. There is a pseudo-split screen – which allows “speed dial” on the screen at the same time as a page – of course then you have a odd split in the horizontal tab bar.

            Only reason I (maybe others?) come here is to see when or if Opera will pull a “hail mary” and surprise us all. Opera was an amazing tool. Before this bait and switch last year, almost any Opera fan thought Chrome was next to useless. Opera ASA may of switched sides, but those of us that relied on Opera for 10+ years haven’t. We’re waiting. In the meantime though work needs to be done. Unfortunately O12’s JS engine chokes on way too much and brings your system to its knees.

            I still use O12 for DragonFly though.

            I’ve been coding since I was 12 years old. Honestly I don’t really even like web-development that much. It’s an unholy mess of disparate languages thrown in a blender on slow grind. It may even offend my sensibilities to call “HTML” a language, more like a gawd-awful syntax that is nearly painful to look at ;-)

          • YemSalat

            Well, you sort of switched the topic, didn’t you? :)
            I thought we’re talking rendering engines. I take it I proved my point then.

            On the other points. Yes, Opera will probably never be the same again, and yes it does hurt when something you’ve been using for years gets killed (Google reader, anyone?)
            Even Firefox is not as flexible anymore.
            I personally had to move from Opera to Chrome a few years ago because the main sites that I was using on a daily basis did not work properly in Opera. And FF was way too slow at the time.
            I used heaps of features in O that are no longer supported (torrents, irc, mail, etc. weirdly enough I did not use bookmarks)
            And now I am actually really happy I can go back to Opera from the evil giant even if it doesn’t have all those features.

            And yes, web development can be a pain, but its a very exciting industry to be in.

            Finally, dragonfly is quite crap and doesn’t hold a candle to chrome’s devtools. Seriously, what do you guys like about it so much? That would probably be the only feature I don’t want back.

          • CrashNBurn71

            Well Opera had a vector graphic stack, I don’t recall the name atm. Which is still used in “existing ‘presto’ products” – and is the reason we’re given for why Opera source wont be released. Except their existing “presto” products see little if any updates at all.

            And it would also seem they are not going to get that graphic stack working with Blink, thus all of their non-chrome UI’s thus far are just rendered web pages *within* the GUI and its existing constraints.

            Constraints which don’t exist in O12, FireFox, and to a lesser extent IE – atm I have replaced my whole IE addressbar with a much more useful interface,and the “normal” IE address bar is hidden.

            As far as DragonFly is concerned. It doesn’t have some of the bells and whistles that some of the more recent Inspectors do, but what makes it so useful and powerful is interface , layout and the logical way things work AND that you can actually “sticky” the damned mouse selector.

            I don’t see Chrome’s being any better than FIrefox’s inspector either, they’re just different. Then again even IE’s inspector can do most of what Chrome’s does.

          • YemSalat

            Presto is not open source for a number of reasons, one of them being the fact that they still have contracts with other companies (TV manufacturers for example)

            Again, the interface is based on Chromium which is not very customizable.

            Regarding Dragonfly – what is sticky mouse? You mean Ctrl+Shift+C in chrome devtools (also works in current Opera, try it and tell me if I got what you mean correctly)?
            And if you only use it to edit CSS values then fair enough – they are probably all the same to you (IE manages to be buggy even at that by the way). But even there devTools shine, allowing for SASS source maps, saving local files (basically saving all the changes that you make in the devtools to your local file, out of the box, yeah), and many other features, like inspecting event listeners, shadow DOM and so on.

            You have no idea what you are talking about because you are only using a tiny portion of functionality.
            Seriously, just Google “chrome devtools vs %whatever% you’ll get plenty of information.
            Chrome devtools are the de-facto leader at the moment.

            And how does the ability to inspect the browser GUI benefit web developers?

            Yes Opera’s speed dial doesn’t have sub folders, it does have folders though. Adding sub folders would kind of killed the purpose of *speed* dial, wouldn’t it?

  • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

    This version doesn’t start up at all anymore!
    Downgrading to previous version…
    Windows 8.1 x64

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      Downgraded to previous version… all opened sites are gone *yeay* :/

      • Sidney Moraes

        Here updated automatically and quitely, it is working .

        • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

          Not over here. I tried updating twice. One time with offline and one time with network installer. Just not starting up at all.

          • Sidney Moraes

            Maybe a problem in the computer that does not allow opera to start up.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            That should trigger some message, no reason for it not to start if he previous build did.

    • Bart Swinnen

      Same problem, 1508 starts fine, 1514 does nothing.
      I see an Opera.exe*32 process in task manager, then opera_crashreporter.exe*32 goes to 100% briefly, then they both vanish. Meanwhile, no trace of a UI or a message or anything.
      Tried to update multiple times, same result every time: This build just doesn’t work.

      • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

        Yes, exactly the same over here.

    • Jabber00

      It starts, but Speed Dial is broken, as the the grouped speed dial items are “invisible”… Windows 8.1 x64 here too!

  • Sidney Guioy

    MP3 and H264 support ! Thanks a lot !! :-D
    Also, any news about opera Link ? it’s been in ‘beta’ since O19 and left without masive update :-(

  • Gobe

    I wanna know when Opera 12.18 will be released and if it will have the same support for extensions that Opera 23 does, otherwise, i advice ppl to try this http://otter-browser.org/

    • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

      Sorry, but they don’t work on Presto engine. They’re focused on bug fixing new Opera and Chromium.

    • CrashNBurn71

      Wow. Otter has a Linux build. Layout isn’t quite up to par, but looks interesting.

  • merteer

    Searchbox in extentions : Another useless “feature” . But no smooth scroll , bookmarks . Was that really the most important ? Pathetic…

    • Nekomajin42

      It’s a minor feature, but far from useless.

      • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

        So why it’s not useless, huh?

        • Jonathan Aanesen

          Because some people might want to search for extensions :)

          • SQL

            You should really start getting extension usage statistics – I want to see that your logic actually works (you implement the most used features right)

          • Frenzie

            Don’t you know? More people search for extensions than use bookmarks. *grins*

          • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

            @christoph142:disqus, @Nekomajin42:disqus & @jaanesen:disqus
            F3 and Ctrl + F do the same thing, so this feature is useless. But for you it’s better to copy and paste and then said “New feature!”, lol.

          • Jonathan Aanesen

            I think you ment to say: “This feature is useless for me”, because it seems you don’t need it. But think again! There are over 7 billion people in this world and I think that this feature might come some of them handy, even if it doesn’t come handy for you :) And yes if something new is added, no matter what it is, it still goes under the category “new”.

          • Saskatchewan

            There are over 7 billion people in this world and I think that this feature might come some of them handy, even if it doesn’t come handy for you :)

            I’m happy that someone from Opera Software finally expressed their opinion over: built in browser mail client, customisable keyboard shortcuts and mouse gestures, configurable interface, etc.

            Bravo!

          • YemSalat

            Mouse gestures are already present (since Opera 15). Or did I misunderstand your comment?

          • Saskatchewan

            They are present, but you cannot customise them.

            customisable keyboard shortcuts and mouse gestures

          • YemSalat

            Sorry, misread the comment.

          • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

            You still don’t understand me, but it’s your problem.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            You’re in a giving mood then.

            Some people might want to search in page from a long gone status bar, and have those searches persistent trought tabs. Will those get something too? At least the persistency?

          • Jonathan Aanesen

            You will just have to wait and see c:

        • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

          If you have quite a few extension installed, it’s easier to find one. I actually requested this field before cause it’s handy.

        • Nekomajin42

          Because I have about a dozen of extensions and I still use O12 as my primary browser. When I switch, I will install another dozen of them, and typing a few characters is faster than scrolling and looking for it with my eyes.

          • CrashNBurn71

            I wish I could still use O12. It’s still technically on my desktop for DragonFly. other than that though.., O12’s JS engine is so bad that its nearly unusable. An idle opera with half a dozen tabs open (for a few days), ArsTechnica, /. and Y!Mail…then IE’s not working, internet is dog-ass slow, everything seems hosed. Ah TaskManager, An idle opera using a whole core (50%) doing nothing. Awesome.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        Far beyond you mean.

        Extensions use quite a bit of RAM, I can’t imagine anyone with more than 10 extensions in Opera, unless you got a big deal of RAM.

        And both extensions and themes have very graphic interfaces, can hardly think of anyone having a hard time finding something.

        Opera tought itself of Apple and of us as Apple users, and started treating us like real morons.

        • Nekomajin42

          I have 13 active extensions now with 4 GB of RAM (actually it’s less than 4 because of the shared RAM with the GPU), and Opera runs smoothly. I also have 8 inactive extensions. I can type a few characters to the search field or scroll A LOT and search with my eyes from a very poor organised list. The former is the easier for me.

          That search field is a very small but useful feature.

          On the other hand, I don’t understand your (plural) comments. There are two important features in this build (H.264 and web notification), and there were several small features in the previous build. I know that everyone wants bookmarks and Linux builds (me too), but can’t we be glad to have these features? After month spent on Aura integration and silent update, at last we got actual tools and performance improvements.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            Scroll a lot, OMG!! And you could already do that by pressing CTRL+F.

          • bgh251f2

            I can’t be glad for the lack of Linux, because it means I can’t even test anything. For me, untill a Linux build appears, means that the last version of opera is 12.16, which means years without updates.

            I will not dual boot just to test a browser that, as far as I know, for the amount of info about it, can take years to have a version for my system.

          • Nekomajin42

            Believe me, I understand this problem, but it is no reason to whine, when they actualy show improvements after month of background work. Yes, it is little, and still no Linux and still no bookmarks and sync, but it is much more than the previous two versions.

          • bgh251f2

            The comparison right now is:
            before: we had promises;
            now: we have promises;

            Until we have a build it will only be promises. Linux flags on the Windows and Mac version(may be a sign, may be nothing, may be preparing to something that will happen in a year or more), anything else beside promises?

          • dflyra

            I agree in general. I have 40 active extensions and Opera runs smoothly. Of course, almost all of these extensions were incorporated in Opera presto and even more. But I feel that now we have something to build on – by the way, I don’t read anything about the terrific speed-dial, maybe we take it for granted.

  • Der Herr Nick

    Dear all,
    1) SD extensions are still broken: Twitter Notifications/Spped Dial for FB/Gismeteo etc still don’t show content (except for the grey globe)
    2) Pages lose focus (IDK how to put it): When I click on a link and a new site opens I can’t use Backspace for navigation or Ctrl-F or whatever shortcut before I click somewhere on the page. This is really annoying.
    3) Search box in themes is the functionality I waited for so long. Not.

    Thanks a bunch!

  • Kamil Darczyński

    Add bookmarks, not stupid useless features like “Searchbox in extentions”.

    • Jonathan Aanesen

      There is already bookmarks, though they are far from finished developed.

      • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

        You had some problems with Presto code and you don’t finished bookmarks in your new browser and you leave it for useless things, what a supidity.

        • Jonathan Aanesen

          Well it have to be tested while being developed, so it’s there, but it’s not fully functional for absolutely everything. I prefer to use the speed dial instead of the bookmarks.

          • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

            Yea, and in the future you will again wrote something like “This feature is too complicated with Chromium code” and what you then do? Release a Presto source code, while Otter will be better than new & old Opera?

          • Jonathan Aanesen

            I honestly don’t know, I’m not the guy who writes the code :) But I don’t think any feature is too complicated for the Opera guys… They know their stuff, don’t worry :D

          • SQL

            *Psst* Then make them do some magic for us. *psst*

          • Jonathan Aanesen

            I’m trying ;)

        • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

          Bookmarks manager was crap even in the Presto version. It’s clearly not their thing.

          I’m actually glad they got rid of it, not about other missing things.

      • RX-3200

        will them support “description” & ect fields imported from Opera 12 ?

        • Jonathan Aanesen

          No idea, you’ll just have to wait and see.

          • RX-3200

            please remind developers about these fields today, that we did not have to remind them after the fact

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        Anyone with less than 10 or 15 extensions has more than enough tools to find them, categories, the name of the extension and a big icon.

        Anyone using more than that has a super computer and 16 GB RAM at least.

        Please stop treating us like morons, for we are not, and this is not Apple.

        • SQL

          What :D

          Why do i have to own a good computer to have bookmarks !?!?!??

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            Try and follow the thread, will you?

            Jonathan tries to give an argument as to why search in extensions and themes is important, and to justify the lack of a bookmarks manager.

            I’m to explain why searching themes and extensions are not that much important.

          • SQL

            Oh i misread “extensions” as “bookmarks” and i got really confused there.

          • Der Herr Nick

            BTW, before, you could easily use Ctrl+F on your extensions page. Maybe this was a way too sophisticated technique.

          • CrashNBurn71

            It probably didn’t work on a Mac. So it needed a finder box.

        • Jonathan Aanesen

          We can’t have a ton of people writing on the same code at the same time, that would make the code messed up and not working. Therefore people are assigned to different things, and most of the times the less important things are easiest to code and yet is fastest finished. Bookmarks are being worked on every day, but it’s a long process compared to a single search field. I’m not treating anyone as morons, but there are no other answers. Under development means under development.

          • rufu2

            Thanks for that explanation. And thanks for keeping calm and polite.
            I think some of the posters (not necessarily Hector) are using way too harsh language. It’s a cool thing that people get emotional about a browser, but it’s not cool to get too aggressive.

          • SQL

            Oh that’s written beautifully.

            Now that’s your main problem, Opera.
            People are too emotional about your browser, and want you to treat it as well as you could, but you aren’t keeping up with the expectations.

            If you really want to develop a browser for “normal” users
            then just have an address field and an exit button in the corner.

          • rufu2

            You’re on to something ;)

            But really, it must be cool for a software developer to work on something that people care about so much. Have you ever seen that much argument about changes in IE? Nobody cares, geeks hate it, even if it has gotten better. Chrome is used by people who don’t know what a browser is and don’t care. FF seems to have normal users and fans, maybe they are comparable to Opera-freaks. Opera has no normal users, only fans ;)

          • SQL

            Yes – still makes me wonder why are they aiming for mainstream and simplicity :/

          • CrashNBurn71

            Opera Desktop is released for “free bug-testing” so their real browser can be released for iPhone. Look at the non-desktop news/blog of Opera, almost every single announcement is to Apple Users. And Opera ASA is just an Ads and Services company that happens to still develop a browser.

            Opera Linux has no use whatsoever, any bugs in that would be linux specific and wont further their Mobile Development. Bookmarks aren’t much needed in a Mobile phone browser either…get it?

            Mobile. We are not the target anymore.

          • YemSalat

            They already have those.

          • SQL

            I very well know that. But they’ve got even more features that “normal” users would never even touch. I’m questioning the way they’re thinking here.

          • YemSalat

            I think they already explained above that these small features are a lot easier to implement then for example syncing. That’s why we are only getting small updates at the moment, while the work on the bigger ones is in progress.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            So those persons with easy tasks assigned, what do they do in their spare time? Do the get to play tennis in those facilities mentioned in that post where your profile pic comes from? while the rest work their asses?

            Labour privileges anyone?

          • Jonathan Aanesen

            No, they simply begin on some other task that needs to get done :P Makes sense doesn’t it?

          • Marcin Mitek

            Ping pong matches are important part of the process.

      • Leif Roar Moldskred

        Well, if a functionality is “far from finished developed”, isn’t it arguable if it really counts as being included in the current version of the product?

        • Jonathan Aanesen

          I have no good answer for this. It’s there and it’s usable, but it’s far from what it will become. So you can choose to use it or not, depending on how much you need it I guess.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    Too bad you also offer the option to create themes from any pic in my HDD and most of them are called something like “nov26_034_1024x768_large” and “9913_233176633518136_78852768_n”

    So this is useless and pointless, at least for me.

  • hspdion

    This build seems to be automatically changing the order of extensions icons in the toolbar in some weird way. Previously while I could not *easily* customize the ordered display of extensions via the ui (wish this was an available option), I could at least reinstall the extensions in a set order..thereby having them all appear as I liked in the toolbar. That no longer seems possible.

    • rufu2

      I’ve not noticed that the order of the icons has changed, but that’s because I don’t use O-Dev much and don’t know where they used to be.
      +1 for ordering icons manually like in the good ole days… right-click on any UI element, then use the context menu to get to the edit mode.

  • Deus Ex Vino

    I wonder if you would add additional tools for mushroom recognition using webcam in next build. there are soo many interesting features nobody ever asked for – i am getting kind of interested.

    • Test Drive

      Best…Comment…Ever !

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      Made my day xD
      Though I actually did request these search fields ^^

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen
      • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

        That would be awesome, but you will not do that in new Opera… as always.

        • Marcin Mitek

          Challenge accepted. ;)

          • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

            The Opera 12 fans already set a challenge for you: Bring back features and small things from Opera 12 and then focus on new things.

            But, you don’t listen them :)

          • YemSalat

            As far as I know Chromium is open source. Go give them a hand if you can.

  • http://mjmartino.eu mjmartino

    @przemyslawkudla:disqus
    When back groups in open cards ??
    Maybe in speed dial add menu context option “move to”
    Searching theme and extensions is poor future on this time.
    Is there any roadmap on 2014 ?

    • SQL

      Roadmap? Pfffft

  • Test Drive

    Anyone who has a little experience with Javascript can fully understand what has happened with the “Search field” for Extensions/Themes…

    Just ANOTHER CODE COPY/PASTE from the “Settings Page” and there you go… we have a “search field” for the extensions/themes pages !

    NEW features for the Developer stream…

    Why don’t the developers change the Stream names to :

    1. Bug Fix Stream (Developer)
    2. Huge Bug Fix Stream (Next)
    3. a Little More Bug Fixes Stream (Stable)

    • Nekomajin42

      This build has two great features, but they are not mentioned in the blog post, only in the changelog. They may be not ready to test.

      • Test Drive

        It probably is the Bookmarks… Finally ! Wait… no… It couldn’t possiblY be bookmarks… the Users don’t use it… it’s a thing of the past…

        How about the Sidebar… Oh… No… Users can’t find it… takes too much space… complicates stuff… another thing of the past…

        Sync ?! It should be sync ! they’ve been working on it for months ! users use it, users love it, users want it… But no…

        Tabs ! IT DEFINITELY IS TAB HANDLING ! they even had a survey about it ! there could be this feature… and that… and… NOPE…

        And how about some customizations over here ?! Oh… I’m sorry…THING OF THE PAST !

        ==============================================

        * How about flags that all mainstream users can see, use, change and understand ? YES ! they’re all here !

        * How about a Heart-shaped button to hide two other buttons ? why ? “It confuses Users ! they should be hidden down underneath!”

        * How about search field for extensions ? how about that ? are you telling me a mainstream normal user doesn’t have at least 10 extensions ? are you telling me they don’t know how to use them ? They may be confused by some Buttons or settings (!) but they won’t be confused when installing more than a dozen extensions ! NO ! how dare you ?!

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        MP3 and H.264 support!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    The title of this post is confusing, as I got it from the RSS reader, before any image loaded, I tought of google search fields in internal pages, my midle finger was getting ready for protest.

    I discovered it was about something far less intrusive, but just as useless.

  • Der Herr Nick

    Waaaah! When the mouse hovers over posts on this very site, the whole post starts to flicker. So good I don’t have epileptic seizures.

    • rufu2

      I believe someone had that problem a long time ago already (maybe O16?)
      I can’t confirm it on my Win7 x64, though.

  • A. R.

    Where are

    – Bookmarks
    – Tab stacking
    – Power-user option to run all processes in one

    ?

  • Ralf Brinkmann

    Maybe anyone of you wants to test the new stable: http://get.geo.opera.com/ftp/pub/opera/desktop/22.0.1471.50/

    • Kurt Zon

      thanks for the heads up….

  • iG0Lka

    Very small fonts in the interface!!!

    I use the monitor 30 “- 2560×1600 pixels

  • zakius

    who cares about missing mouse gestures, newsfeed and mail client when you can INSTALL THEMES

  • Test Drive

    NEVER FORGET : Don’t Underestimate Opera… If you’re trying to lie to your self with the current potential Opera has and the current features it gives, you’re destroying the real potential this guys have…

    They were Awesome… They Are Awesome… They Can do better than this… They Should Do Better than this… They MUST do better than this…

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    opera://flags/#proprietary-media-types-playback

    I enable this but youtube.com/html5 still won’t mark Opera as H.264 capable. What’s missing?

    Win 7 x64. K-Lite Codec Pack 10.4.5 Full is installed, for the good or bad.

    • NoName

      Changelog says WP1 for Win7. Usually that means, that there are more steps in the implementation(WP2+). So it’s most likely not done.
      I does not register H264 in Win8.1 either.

      Usually the browser uses it’s own codec, not what’s installed in the OS.
      Which is kinda sad. No browser supports bitstreaming of sound in the audio codec :(

      • IllusionMH

        May be I’m doing something wrong, but I can’t find what does wp1 means.
        Can you tell me or give a link to some info?

        • NoName

          I don’t think that there are any official info about this.
          But I have read every changelog since Opera 15, and it seem to be the definition of a development task that it split up into smaller pieces.
          If I should make a guess, it could be “WayPoint”.
          So WP1 is the first waypoint to a final goal.

          How many WP there is, is unknown to us.

        • Marcin Mitek

          Work Package.

          • Nekomajin42

            Can you sing the total number of WP-s in the future changlelogs? Something like WP1/3, if a feature is divided to 3 packages.

          • Marcin Mitek

            I doubt it’s possible, their number is only roughly estimated at the beginning of development. Reality changes these plans very often.

          • Nekomajin42

            OK, thanks!

          • Marcin Mitek

            No problem. I could provide it but – a) it’s not widely used even by us internally b) it means some extra time spent on providing information that may not be relevant anymore. Things are too dynamic when there’s 6-8 week period between sprints. That’s why we only estimate, not to mention unforseen circumstances, like someone getting sick etc.

          • Nekomajin42

            It’s fine, but sometimes it’s really hard to read the changelog. New implementations and fixes are mixed, and sometimes it is not clear whether a new implementation is complete but too buggy or there will be further WP-s added in the next builds.
            It is bad if you don’t write proper blogposts and we have to gather info from the changelogs.

          • Marcin Mitek

            If something is not turned on, or not mentioned in the blogpost – it means that the work continues. You can of course enable such flag, but you should be aware that something is “less than Dev” quality, i.e far from finished/buggy, you name it. Even when it’s enabled bugfixing continues. From the changelog point of view, some of them might not make sense, whole structure of tasks/work packages/bug fixes gives a better overview.

          • Nekomajin42

            I know it, and you are right. But when you give so little in every build, we must play with experimental stuff to have some fun.

          • Marcin Mitek

            This is how the work here is organized now. Smaller bits – easier to spot the bugs, easier to integrate, smaller chance of regressions. Also, you get the builds more often then with O12.

          • Nekomajin42

            That’s true, and I like this developement cycle.

          • IllusionMH

            Thanks.

            Also does this mean that h.264 will be available on W8.1 in will be done in the foreseeable future?

          • Marcin Mitek

            1st question – yes.
            2nd part of the question – that’s our goal.

          • IllusionMH

            Good news. Thanks, again!

  • Pesala

    If you would just add the basic features people are requesting, they won’t need more than half a dozen extensions, then a search box is not needed.

    Themes are pretty much a waste of time. Five or ten themes is enough for anyone. What Opera really needs is Skins to cater for users with visual impairments. One size does not fit all.

    • Rafael Luik

      Maybe OS’s DPI/accessibility settings should take care of that (I mean, Opera adapting to the settings wouldn’t require an additional skin mechanism).

      • Pesala

        Opera 21 has HiDPI, and enabling that increases the font size for the menus. It does nothing for the grey icon colour, and lacks the flexibility of setting the font size for the toolbars that we have in Opera 12 or earlier.

  • Nekomajin42

    OK, I will keep asking this until we get an official answer:
    Will you allow us to optionally turn the built-in auto-updater off?
    This build is the proper example why we want it.

    • Nekomajin42

      Guys, answer?

    • Dmitry Kirin

      I’ve read it can be done by adding the environment variable OPERA_AUTOUPDATE_DISABLED (with any value).

      • SQL

        How about something not as hacky? Like an.. an.. Option?

        • Dmitry Kirin

          You don’t say… it could theoretically be exposed as an UI feature?! :) Sometimes I think Opera should have started the new version as an editor of Chromium config options, would’ve saved a lot of efforts discovering and explaining others how to do things by direct editing preferences and databases. :)

      • Nekomajin42

        1) It should work out of the box without OS tweaking.
        2) I don’t want to permanently disable the updater. I want to get a notification and a button to manually start the update WHEN I want to.

  • rufu2

    I have one pinned tab that I don’t close in Opera Dev, it’s the Desktop Team Blog. After this update, the tab is always showing the loading animation, but nothing else happens. The URL is visible in the address field. Also, pressing the X to stop loading does not do anything. Also, it stayed that way after restarting Opera.

    • rufu2

      OK, tested some more: this happens with all tabs that should be restored after starting Opera. No matter if pinned or not, a restored tab just loads forever and can’t be stopped. Same with and without lazy session loading. Clicking in the address field and re-sending the URL with “Enter” loads the page quickly.

  • Emil Huber

    Date posted: May 27, 2014
    I think that there is something wrong with this date…

    • Marcin Mitek

      Thanks, blog post was prepared last week, I’ll correct it once I’m in the office ;)

  • taneli

    Really bums me that this browser is unusable while doing CPU heavy tasks, when i’m doing 3D test rendering, that’s the time i like to browse stuff, but, can’t. (Changing the renderer’s CPU priority doesn’t help.)
    Chrome doesn’t have this problem.

    • NoName

      Are you sure the bottleneck is your CPU?
      Try check the load of your GPU. The browser uses your GPU to draw as well.

      • taneli

        Strickly a CPU based renderer, and yes, it has ~100% CPU usage while rendering, Opera just becomes totally unresponsive (5-50 seconds for it to do anything) when rendering, never had this problem with other browsers.

      • Alaknár

        He said that Chrome does not have that problem so the issue is not in the hardware, it’s software and it’s Opera.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Both Opera and the 3D application make use of the GPU.

    • taneli

      Geez this is horrible, can’t find any way to use Opera while rendering (changed priorities etc.), and i do NOT want to disable 1 core, or thread from the renderer and somehow assign all of Opera processes for that.
      Since Chrome doesn’t have this problem, i guess it can be fixed?

      Again: This happens mostly when i hover over links, or elements that have “on hover”, or some JS attached to them, that just kills the browser completely.

    • taneli

      Just moved to using old Opera 21 Next (updates disabled ’cause that’s the last build that worked for me.), and it works just fine while CPU is at 100%.
      So my first guess would be looking at the Aura update (which came in 22, wasn’t it?).

  • senna_4ever

    thx for searchbox :)

  • oic

    Just wondering, is there a way to set warning message when closing browser when you’re downloading something

    • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

      No and probably they never create that feature.

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142
      • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

        Hey, Chris :)

        Sometimes, your blog post is displayed twice (or more) in my RSS Reader. Is it a WordPress bug or bug with your blog or bug maybe with my RSS Reader? I’m using Chrome and I have The RSS agregator as my RSS Reader.

        • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

          I have no idea to be honest. I never used RSS actively by myself. I’d blame WordPress, but I really can’t tell.

          • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

            :/

  • Leonardo Gomes

    New flags that i’ve noticed:

    Desktop notifications
    Enables pages to show HTML based desktop notifications.

    Proprietary media types
    Enables the use of system decoders to decode proprietary media formats.

    Enable pinch virtual viewport.
    When zoomed in, fixed-position elements and scaled scrollbars attach to this viewport.

    Save passwords automatically.
    Skip the passwords prompt and save passwords automatically.

    Offline auto-reload mode
    Pages that fail to load while the browser is offline will be auto-reloaded when the browser is online again.

    Enable one-copy rasterizer
    If enabled, raster threads write to GPU memory.

    Disable In-renderer Shared Worker.
    Disable In-Renderer Shared Worker to run Shared Worker in a legacy dedicated worker process.

  • nanana1

    Opera Next Build 1471.50 has been released as the new Opera final version.

    http://get.geo.opera.com/ftp/pub/opera/desktop/22.0.1471.50/win/Opera_22.0.1471.50_Setup.exe

  • j-melo

    Add icon tabs where music plays

  • Wraith

    I still waiting for full sync and bookmark manager, this wait is getting worst week by week.

  • vinczej

    After the second or third time disappear the icons from the Speeddial folders, when I open a package of speeddial items.

  • Dmitry Kirin

    I somehow feel that search in themes is definitely not the feature to attract positive attention of Dev stream users… :( Especially, when there are such interesting things like h.264 support.

    In the meantime, I’ve switched to Maxthon, to use it as my main browser for two weeks, then revert to Opera, and see what I’d be missing. Strange as it seems to me a bit, I miss mostly some UI features, not settings or internal features:

    0. HiDPI fonts.

    1. Right click on the tab plus button to paste and go. It also does not create a new tab if the last one is empty. There is also an on-hover popup on the plus button, explaining those left click and right click. We’re talking about intuitive UI and discoverability of features here sometimes—well, this is discoverability at its best.

    2. Closing tabs by double-clicking tab headers. I know there’s middle click and a single-key hotkey that I’ve defined for that. But I’d really prefer double click over clicking the mouse wheel, and there’s no way to define that double click with an extension.

    3. Generally higher readability of UI: Metro style in settings and thick blue borders around sharp-angled speed dials.

    Apart from that, please consider adding a cache path option in settings. IE and Maxthon allow relocating cache, while in Opera, one has to hack into command lines of the launcher shortcut and even registry, for .htm, http, and https. If you don’t want it to be in settings, okay, let it be just an entry in Preferences.

    As for the other side of this experiment, I’ve been missing extensions that I’ve got in Opera, especially search by image; menu options like Copy image address (such a simple feature; who’d think I’d feel its absence); and scroll responsiveness. Maxthon is almost freezing when a page is doing some CPU-heavy task, like Disqus comment arranging. Chromium threading
    and priority management is awesome here.

  • Hunk

    It looks like new opera is developed only by designers and managers. The whole 23 developer has only minor visual improvements and still there are plenty of people who don’t like these improvements. Maybe you should return your core programmers to desktop team so they can help you create more advanced features?

    Because this so called developer stream which should bring new innovative features only gives new Blink engine version with every build. And there bugs everywhere, like you’ve changed one variable or copy/pasted smth and the whole browser stops working.

    Right now there is no point to have three stream, because developer and next are have only bugfixing. Don’t you see that search box is so unimportant that it should at the bottom of features list like “Look guys, we heard you finally and here are the real bookmarks! And vertical tabs! And sidebars etc.etc.etc. And as bonus we introduced the search box for extensions. Happy testing!”. But this won’t happen, will it?

    • Nekomajin42

      You are right about the priority. Their marketing is as bad as it was in the Presto era.
      However, v23 brings not only visual improvements, but lazy loading, pepper flash, web notification API and MP3/H.264 support. Yeah, it’s not a bookmark manager, and still no Linux build, but this version is better than the previous two. And we know that importing and the bookmark manager is currently under developement, so v24 can be even better.

  • aiphed

    After installation wikipedia search works fine in english, (w “Search term”) then after few hours in a sudden it changes to native language… What’s up with that? Why does this happen? I need it in english, since wikipedia in my native language is really poor.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      It comes from the hardwired set of search engines for your locale. You’d better define a custom search engine, e.g. “we” for Wikipedia (English). Same thing here, I’ve already got used to typing it instead of “w”.

  • taneli

    Vimeo.com has stopped playing videos on this newest O23 build, for example http://vimeo.com/89136032

    • Vux777

      confirmed
      also, it’s not possible to click on progress bar on any vimeo video (in previous builds stable, next dev)
      for time shift

    • Leonardo Gomes

      The page crashes when trying to play the video.

    • Jonathan Aanesen

      Bug is filed and it’s already being looked at :)

      • Vux777

        can you pls tell is ID: DNA-21193 recognized by Opera devs as legit bug or… ?

        • Jonathan Aanesen

          It is a legit bug which now has been fixed :)

          • Vux777
          • L33t4opera

            Hi Jonathan, I can confirm that, it seems to be fixed now, thanks ;-)

          • Vux777

            hmmm
            are you talking about vimeo bug or bug from my previous post?
            cause that bug is not fixed..I’m sure

          • L33t4opera

            I meant the Vimeo bug, now the videos on the site work as well ;-)

          • Vux777

            ok
            probably @jaanesen:disqus was also referring to this bug

          • L33t4opera

            I’m not familiar with DNA-21193, to which bug it’s referring to?

          • Vux777

            iframes

          • Vux777

            just for the record
            I wasn’t asking about vimeo bug, dna-21193 is about iframes

          • Jonathan Aanesen

            I have no idea yet, have to test it and see. Passed it to another guy at the office who quite a lot more experienced than me and we shall see :) I’ll get back to you when I got further info.

          • Vux777

            great
            thanx

  • serendipity1002

    Is it just me or the notorious black line at the bottom of the window has made a comeback?
    This build is more stable than the previous one, and you’ve got directwrite to work, less buggy than in chrome itself, which deserves my appreciation ;)

    • Przemek Kudła

      You are not the only one, our QAs filed a bug, a fix is in progress.

  • vinczej

    Why can’t I disable the “silent install” function? The buggy versions kill my Opera. I have to use the “–disable-update” option for execution of the launcher.exe, I save my old version, and update the new version (with USB option). If the new version has bugs, I retrieve my saved instance. Not too elegant, but useful. :)

    • Nekomajin42

      Upvote this one, guys, not the searchbox whining…

  • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

    http://blog.chromium.org/2014/06/try-out-new-64-bit-windows-canary-and.html

    OMG! I posted somewhere on Polish site, that Chrome will soon be avaiable in 64-bit version and now they released a 64-bit beta/dev version.

    Case? I think not.

    • Vux777

      OMG!
      quick, tell me winning lottery numbers…just write it randomly ツ

    • CrashNBurn71

      See the bottom of the page? heh.

      “©2008 Google – Privacy Policy – Terms of Service”

      • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

        Srsly you don’t see it’s real post?

        • CrashNBurn71

          Sure, 64-bit Chrome. I wont use Chrome though. I was just pointing out (as it was amusing to me), they haven’t updated the copyright footer in 6 years.

  • L33t4opera

    Bug report:Extensions>Developer Mode>the “Load unpacked extension” button does nothing/doesn’t work, while the “Pack extension” button works without a problem.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Confirmed here.

      • L33t4opera

        Seems to be fixed in the latest build 23.0.1522.0 ;-)

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Yep, working here too.

  • beBoss

    After the update, opera not starting…

  • AS

    In the comment to Opera developer 22 I reported the bug that the text which is marked that this function doesn’t work correctly and of course nobody of developers decided to fix it! Why you don’t fix it? Why I must report this bug again?! And nefariously delete new comments! Please don’t delete this post! Fix this function in marked text! Think also about the request of adding the button to
    developing the strip of the address can choose addresses written down, whether it is so hard to add this function? Set this to turn on in opera:flags and
    everything will be ok!

    One more again:

    Marking text in Opera 22 doesn’t work well. This function isn’t stable!

    Marked text in Opera 12

    http://files.tinypic.pl/i/00534/c8r4ls4pamp3.png

    Marked text in Opera 22

    http://images.tinypic.pl/i/00534/ftv470cti7rh.png

    See the difference? See! I ask for fix this function of marking text in new Opera,
    because this function doesn’t work stable and isn’t comfortable for marking a
    lot of the text!

    I ask for adding option: “Show Dropdown Button In Addressfield” this option
    enables to develop the strip of the address to can choose written down addresses!

    Remove this ugly brown frame which is creating the contour for the field of logging etc., really it must be? Give the possibility to turn off this frame or do the blue frame which is in Opera Dev.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Why you don’t fix it? Why I must report this bug again?!

      You don’t need to report the issue lots of times, just report it once and wait but have in mind that it may not be fixed on the next build and/or version.

      Before include a fix on a build, they need to:

      – Be able to reproduce the problem
      – Rank the issue according to its severity and how it affects the daily use of the browser for the average user
      – Find what is causing the problem
      – Create a fix for the bug
      – test the fix to see if it really works and if it doesn’t create other issues
      – Include the fix on a developer and/or next build to test it on a wide range
      – if everything is ok, include it on a stable build.

      It doesn’t alway shappen in a couple of days and some issues have a higher priority than others.

      • AS

        Okay, but somebody responsible, should write: we accepted this remark and we will consider it and eventually fix this bug!

        And here silence, nobody of developers even reply! So how I’m supposed to know, that the they considered my report?

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Well, when you report a bug on the BTS there is a message clearly saying that you will not receive any feedback unless they need more info to deal with the problem. I guess that the same is valid for problems reported here on the blog.

          And nowadays they are giving more feedback than never here.

  • Tiago Silva

    After silent update, O23 stopped loading (three simultaneous crash_reporter processes). Ran offline Windows installer, now only one crash_reporter. I’m going to nuke O23 from orbit and reinstall.

    • Tiago Silva

      I had to delete user data. It’s “working” now.

  • Tiago Silva

    Speed Dial Extensions still broken.

  • Leonardo Gomes

    508 points at html5test.com

  • Leonardo Gomes

    4470 points on Peacekeeper (starting with emptied cache)

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Peacekeeper won’t run fine if “Proprietary media types” are enabled.

  • Soulviolence

    Does anyone else have problems with unpack extensions? Doesn’t work here.

    • Soulviolence

      Nevermind. Saw a post confirming it doesn’t work for others.

  • http://www.cpcwiki.eu/ Gryzor

    Anyone else lost Lazy Session Loading in Flags? I only have Extended Lazy Session Loading, but the prerequisite is not to be found…

    • Leonardo Gomes

      It’s in settings now: “delay loading of bakckground tabs”

      • http://www.cpcwiki.eu/ Gryzor

        Aw, come on!!! I spent so much time looking for it in the wrong place!!! :D

        Thanks, man…

  • Piotr Dworaczyk

    Hi, I would like to install the ‘Developer’ version over my ‘Next’ install. Will the settings (tabs, stash, etc.) be kept ?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Nope. Each stream has its own settings.

      Usually you can just copy one’s profile folder into another but there is always a chance that it won’t work.

  • rufu2

    The offline package link goes to version 1522.0
    which does not exist (yet).

    • rufu2

      OK, so I just witnessed an update live ;) Now 1522 is available, and it has updated.

  • L33t4opera

    New Opera Developer 23.0.1522.0, the change log, and the announcement.

  • fanboy punisher

    “A search box for extensions and themes” I officialy have shat myself out of pure excitement!

    You can now let all the zealots-fanbois loose to praise you…

  • http://opindian.com/blog/ ahpatel

    Any plans for a 64-bit release?

    The Chromium Blog suggests there are speed, stability and security benefits. http://blog.chromium.org/2014/06/try-out-new-64-bit-windows-canary-and.html

    • L33t4opera

      Hi Ahpatel, please have a look here.