Opera 22 moves on to Next, bringing new themes and seamless updates

Today Opera 22 moves from Developer to the Next channel. This follows more than a month of hard work ironing out issues to bring 22 up to beta quality.

Silent, smaller updates

On Windows our new silent update allows for a more seamless update to the latest version. There are no buttons to click and no UAC (User Account Control) dialog interrupting your workflow. You will be automatically updated to ensure you always have the most recent and most secure Opera version.

The first two updates from Opera Next 21 to Opera Next 22 will still show the UAC but from this point onwards it will be a thing of the past!

In addition to removing this distracting dialog the autoupdate packages will now be sent to you in the form of a patch instead of a full package, whenever possible, which means that updating Opera uses even less bandwidth. In you want to read more about these technologies and how they work, read Julien’s developer blog post.

Mac users needn’t feel left behind. In fact Mac might be left wondering what this mysterious update authentication dialog because Mac already updates silently. With regards to the smaller, patch updates, this time we will assess it with Windows first.

New Themes

New 22 Themes A fresh new Opera deserves a fresh new look and so we have updated our pre-installed themes. You can switch between the new themes from the “Opera Menu → Themes” on Windows and “View → Show Themes” on Mac.

We spent some time selecting the new themes that compliment the Opera UI beautifully. However if you would like an even bigger selection, drop by the Themes section of the Opera add-ons site. Remember that you can also set any image you find online as a theme, simply by right clicking on it and selecting “Use Image as Theme”.

Let the testing begin!

With the move to the Next stream our stabilisation efforts are already well underway. However we will now take it up a notch with your help. Please mention any new issues you see. We are particularly interested in regressions for working behaviour in Opera 21 stable.

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  • L33t4opera

    Thanks for the info Ruarí ;-)
    Congrats in regard to the promotion of the Opera Dev 22 to the Next channel!

  • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

    Thanks…wait 23 now :)

  • SQL

    Silent update.. Sigh.

  • zakius

    well, still waiting for return of The Opera

    • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

      The real Opera will never return :) We need to wait for Opera features in Otter.

      • zakius

        for now I’m using firefox, as the last reaonable mouse gestures extension for chrome stopped working, it seems pretty slow, but simple mail with newsfox and firegestures provide all I used in The Opera, and with pocket I have also stash

        • Operalino

          Same for me :( I like the new, customizable Firefox interface very much and the working mouse gestures plugins over there.

          I’m not happy with my decision to leave Opera behind, because I like the browser quiet a lot. But after having complete system freezes caused by Opera I felt a strong force to look somewhere else because the force to restart my PC in order to make it work again stopped me from getting my work done :(

      • Marko Koivuniemi

        It would be nice to Opera AS to give some credit or resources or maybe Presto-code to Otter – or at least some co-operation. I know there isn’t any (commercial) reason to do this but still. ;-) Or just maybe give old Presto-developers free permission to participate this project with their knowledge about Presto. (I’m now quite satisfied with current Opera – I’ve never learned to use Opera Mail and stopped using Usenet also. (Sad) Now I miss most Tab stacks – those were so useful.

      • senja1

        Wait for Vivaldi. The real Opera will be back.

        • MakesOwnWeather

          Happy to hear you say that. On what basis do you say that? So far, it looks like I will always have 12 running also and use 2x for speed, etc.

      • Azrael

        That’s not going to happen – it’s based on Qt so everything under the hood will be different so all those customization we now have will be gone. Heck, you can’t even run it in USB mode.

    • fanboi punisher

      I’m with you but you know the answer to that don’t you? Opera can’t return from the dead…

    • Paweł Rumian

      http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_opera.asp

      40% of desktop users are still using Opera 12 and the number of Opera users is constantly diminishing…

      • NimeshT

        That’s 40% or 4%. No it’s 0.4%, and that’s not even 40% of entire Opera users.

        • x a

          0.4% of 0.4% + 0.6% = 1% of market share make 40% of Opera Desktop users.

          • NimeshT

            Right. I counted OM also in that :(

        • Paweł Rumian

          Yes, it’s 40% of desktop Opera users (which is the minority of all Opera users)

    • Michał Kostrzewski

      I am not switching to Opera 2Xth until they put back notes there :D

      • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

        “Notes will not come back” ~Błażej Kazimierczak

        • Michał Kostrzewski

          So I will keep using opera 12.17 till someone create extension which will work like 12.17’s notes (there isn’t any yet neither for chrome) .

        • Anton Orlov

          Then I will not come back to Opera

      • zakius

        wow, so someone used them :D
        but well, dropping all that was making opera browser of choice of many people and then building something completely new around blink and v8 was pretty bad idea
        how much time passed since “next 15″ release? and what have changed in opera? (not blink and v8 as these are kinda independent projects just used in new opera) THEY ADDED BOOKMARKS BAR, well played

        • Michał Kostrzewski

          Of course I use them cause for me they are much better way to safe pages than bookmarks. Thx to that I can keep links(bookmarks) and normal notes in the same place. Adding notes are faster and easier than adding bookmarks. I think I haven’t used bookmarks(page/panel) for last several years cause all I need is speeddial + notes + bookmarkbar.

          Lets say you want to save an interesting article or joke with link to page where you found this. Please tell me there is better way to do this than using Opera 12.17 notes cause I don’t believe there is such :P

          • zakius

            well, I never bothered to try notes at all
            but I tend to save just link, so bookmarks are fine for me, I guess that notes work better for “quote with source”

          • Michał Kostrzewski

            Yeah more or less. Notes are like bookmarks but
            1. you can save much longer text in there and add them just by using “copy to note” so you don’t need to think and type any title.Sometimes you don’t need to load whole page cause you only need to check some reference or code etc.
            2. You can save there also normal notes.
            3. You can’t move them onto any other bar which would be cool :(

          • fanboi punisher

            Plus notes still work when bookmark links die…

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    Nice delta updates (strange Disqus bug)

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    In change log there are some spaces missing like in DNA-18465

    • Leif Roar Moldskred

      Those look like references to tickets (tasks) in a ticket tracking system. The changelog is just the list of the tickets that were completed for that release. Gaps would be tickets that aren’t finished yet, or which have been rejected for various reasons.

      (On a side note, and in my role as curmudgeon, ticket lists do not good changelogs make. For one thing, the ticket descriptions tend to describe what the problem _was_, not what the actual _change_ is. For another, sometimes one ticket might lead to several changes, or several tickets might be solved by a single change.)

      • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

        I am talking about spaces missing between words

        • Leif Roar Moldskred

          Oh! My bad. I didn’t even think about that, sorry.

  • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

    Does anyone gets a popup which says “Yahoo Answers is not optimized for your browser” on following page?

    https://answers.yahoo.com/

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      It’s known. (fyi OTW-9429)

      • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

        Thanks.

  • Rafael Luik

    The smaller update packages will be great. Thanks!
    I see that you’re still setting the basic solid foundation you mentioned when you released Opera 15 and doing so with excellence. Let’s see what Opera 23 will bring…

    • Ste

      I hope Opera sync.

    • DD64

      I hope some features Opera was known for

      • SQL

        No, they won’t give features anymore they said.

  • nicks

    hmm what for new themes? if we can “set any image you find online as a theme, simply by right clicking on it and selecting “Use Image as Theme”. Maybe change look of Opera… new skin/interface or something like that if u want fresh look and we (users) i think too want.

    • CrashNBurn71

      Actually, Opera 6 was the best for that. It allowed you to choose any png, and would skin the interface with that png. These “themes” hosted via Opera are an extremely bad joke compared to what the community used to be able to do since Opera 7.

  • Jack O’Neill

    Will the tiny little font be fixed in the next release? Why did you fix its size at all? Now everything (context menus, address bar etc.) is at 8pt regardles of system settings (like font and DPI).

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    A request for an option in the advanced settings (in a future builds): disable UI animations

    To improve performance & stability

  • SQL

    I hope that you understand that if O23 doesn’t bring anything new to the table, A LOT of your users will just leave.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      A lot of beta testers, regular users who don’t even come here, won’t even care.

      • Cryio

        I don’t think there are a lot of regular Opera 15+ users.

        • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

          You don’t think so, cool.

  • L33t4opera

    @Ruarí: You forgot to mention, that this build includes the Chromium update to version 35.0.1916.86, so a bit higher, than in the latest Opera Developer ;-)

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      That means O23 Dev is around the corner.

  • Nekomajin42

    I (we?) would like to get an official statement regarding why don’t you allow us to turn the automatic update off.
    You spent a whole month to implement the new updating system, but you released it half-done.

    • NoName

      You can by disabling the schedule in Windows. It actually says “Update disabled” in opera:about. So it’s already close to being a feature.

      The only think I miss now, is an Update button to manually update. Now I have to run the scheduled task, which does not give me any UI to know when it’s done updating (or failed to).

      • Nekomajin42

        You are right, but as it was discussed before, the browser has to work out of the box. I don’t want to edit the scheduler. I don’t want to edit the firewall settings. I want to use the browser and control what it does.
        It is really not a difficult task to pop a confirm window instead of running the updater automatically. I know it is against the whole silent update concept. I know that the silent update is good for the average users, but I’d like an option built into the browser to control the update.
        There were several comments and request about it, an no one of the developers gave a proper answer.

        • Rafael Luik

          Why do you need to click “Ok” so much? I don’t get it…

          • x a

            For example, because you™ have more knowledge to decide, when you want to share your bandwidth or cpu-cycles with the updater… (Lucky boy, if those issues are none of your business.)

            As far as I can see, Opera Update does make use of BITS (Background Intelligent Transfer Service), Window’s that claims to be nice to other higher prioritized network activity.

          • Nekomajin42

            First of all, I like to know when the browser (any software in general) updates itself. Most of the times I just click on OK, but sometimes I use such a slow connection that it doesn’t matter how small the update package is, I want to postpone it.

          • SQL

            I want to know when it’s updating so i can instantly check whats added – if i don’t see the update i may have an cool feature for a week or so without even noticing. (wait Opera most likely won’t receive any “cool” updates anyways.

          • Deus Ex Vino

            Some versions are broken, or kill features you need. imagine silent udpate from O12 to O22. Its important to have control of such things.

          • fanboi punisher

            Indeed. A perfect example for it that has already happened is the latest update of version 21 that completely broke Speed Dial.

          • Rafael Luik

            You’d only know if something affects you after you installed anyway, by then there are ways to rollback and disable auto-update (PS. what’s not good because of security). cc/ @deus_ex_vino:disqus

    • Martin Brada

      Why would you need to disable autoupdate?

      • Nekomajin42

        Take a look at my and other’s previous comments.

  • LoverOfLife

    Sorry to say, but i think developers doesn’t know the differences between themes and backgrounds.

    • RingMyDingDong

      I agree, It just changes the background :(

      nothing else…

    • meh
      • LoverOfLife

        indeed :)) how can i dare ? who am i to say something like this ?
        ps. they need a little refresh, and open their mind for simple things

    • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

      “We are working hard to build the best browser…” ~Opera Software

      • LoverOfLife

        From my experience, in general, in life, It’s possible to work hard in a wrong direction. Who defines what’s best for you, me, or others ?

        • pytajnik

          ” It’s possible to work hard in a wrong direction”, wow, you put it beautifully, couldn’t agree more.

        • MakesOwnWeather

          Absolutely. They need to pay more attention to users.

      • Azrael

        Maybe they have different definitions on what a best browser is – to me it’s definitely not a crappier clone of an crappy original.

        • Alaknár

          What do you mean, “what a best browser is”? Isn’t it obvious? MORE PICTURES = BETTER BROWSER!

          • Azrael

            Nah, my guess, judging by what they made out of Chrapera, it’s SHINY PICTURES + LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR USER UI = BETTER BROWSER.

    • Trond Lønnevik

      It’s not even backgroundS, it’s one background image for everything. It doesn’t even go behind the tabs like Firefox’.

  • pytajnik

    wow, so many useless things, you play with fucking themes and this “browser” lacks basic functionalities such as full web address (who the hell came up with this idea of showing shortened address? this guy is a complete morron) you killed your own browser, you guys are pathetic, no wonder this browser is actually dead.

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      You know that there’s a setting to turn it on, right?

      • pytajnik

        no I don’t, where’s it?

        http://i.imgur.com/nCyn8Tm.jpg

        but that’s just one thing, you can’t synchronize your data, you can’t organize your bookmarks, well, there’s even NO BOOKMARKS BAR enabled by default, how pathetic is that?

        • ma_t14

          You need to enable “Power User Mode” first to be able to access that setting.

          “To enable the power user mode press the following key combination while you are on the settings page: Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right b a”

          • Moris299

            OMG Why i don’t know about this “cheat” earlier! :D Thank you :D

          • Rafael Luik

            Actually, no, only the regular advanced settings checkbox need to be ticked.

        • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

          Turn on advanced settings at the bottom of the page. Then you can enable it.

    • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

      This is “progress” by Opera.

  • Yves

    Hi Opera Team,

    I think it is time to implement in the next Opera version a true functionalities for your users, such as Opera Sync (even if everything is not completely functional) and Bookmarks are the two missing points for the browser is really interesting! And more in futur release!

    In the dev channel, it is time to put us new features in developement and we can help you improve it.

    • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

      Actually I agree with you. O23 can be a new start for all of us :)

      • Yves

        Yeah ! I hope for this! I still in Opera 12.17 because I waiting for new real Opera browser, for me actuel Opera 21 is preview without features!

        • PaulW

          Agree 100%. Still using Opera 12.17 as my main browser..

        • http://www.google.com Saba

          I am using opera 12.16 as my main browser because hate opera without bookmarks

        • Sarvesh

          I agree, i still use Opera 12.17 it have more things that Opera 22 does not have but its faster in page loading. Like BookMarks, Speed Dial, Notes, Copy to notes, insert Note, (context menu) Easy backup all these.

    • Joseph Charles

      Am I the only one who realises that Opera sync is available in about://flags?

  • Berend

    In this build there are also a few more languages, atleast west-Frisian is there.

  • João Gonçalves

    I can’t update. I get an error that tells me that I don’t have administrator privileges. But I am the administrator.

    • L33t4opera

      Hi João, try again 1 of the 3 workarounds, the bug seems to be still not fixed yet.

      • João Gonçalves

        Thank you.
        I’ve tried to install using the full installer, and it worked.
        So, it seems that the bug is only present in the network installer.

  • Ralf Brinkmann

    I’m happy. The bug with the wrong codepage recognition and the memory problems seem to be away.

  • Test Drive

    Oh My God… New Default Themes… Silent Update… BUG FIXES !
    It couldn’t get any better !

    • Guest

      Themes? It is only a background image.

      • Test Drive

        You’re right… I rephrase :

        OH MY GOD ! New Background Images… Silent Update… BUG FIXES !
        It couldn’t get any Better !

        and Opera fans come here and whine about new features ! then what are all these “Things” I mentioned up there ?

  • icetom

    there are dozends of sites to download great HD+ backgrounds. Thats not your job to offer them- your a browser developer, not a background download site. Dont waste your time to update the background site. The time you spend doing this is not rewarded by your users and better used for developing new REAL functionality.

    • fanboi punisher

      Yes, but average Joe and aunt Mary don’t know about them sites. So it’s Opera’s job to do that for them. Don’t forget the new audience Chropera is focused on.

      • Deus Ex Vino

        Uncle Joe uses IE anyway.
        Unless his nephew Max installs Opera for him, but his nephew Max would face the “no auto eMail-check” problem, so he will keep his uncle on O12.

        • fanboi punisher

          Or maybe uncle Joe got a tablet as a gift from his nephew and aunt Mary got an ipad to catch up with the times, or it can be for granny’s brand new 6-core PC

          http://www.allenpike.com/images/2014/internet-grandma.jpg

        • fanboi punisher

          True but maybe uncle Joe got a tablet as a gift from his nephew and aunt Mary got an ipad to catch up with the times, or it can be for granny’s brand new 6-core PC…
          .

          • Deus Ex Vino

            Unlce Joe uses the icon label “internet”. Unless Opera becomes default browser – i see no future for the current state of affairs for opera.

          • fanboi punisher

            Very true. Yet they are sticking to this model… what else to say… figures numbers really show the decline of users.

          • Deus Ex Vino

            Sadly, not the CEO or whoever decided those horrible things will be blamed, but honest programmers of Opera Crew i am afraid.
            the big boss will just have some more money thrown his way to make up for his very, very sad job to fire people.

  • godutch

    I haven’t used the last build from 28/4/2014 for a while because I get a lot of artifacts on pages. I don’t see it fixed, is this a known issue? I can try to use next for a while and see if it still occurs but what else should I do?

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      Are you talking about messed up texts? Turn off DirectWrite-flag then.

      • godutch

        Yes. I will give opera a shot at default settings and will turn off direct write if these artifacts continue to see if that helps….

  • Cryio

    I honestly don’t understand how can there be so many bug fixes in every single small update. I mean it’s like the only thing you guys do. Most other things are being done by Google or the community while you only adapt small “features” to your UI.

    It’s almost been a year. WHERE are all your supposed innovations that you were going to being?

    I mean sure, you made Coast for Apple users, which has a great UI. But other than that ?

    By the time one year passes you will only have to show Opera 23 to the world. And it’s a barely populated wasteland.

    • Deus Ex Vino

      They switched to Chrome, to have more resources for features – i wonder what the guys are doing. they dont have to create/work own engine – and still – its bugfixes over bugfixes. They should have taken a year or so to LEARN the use of chrome engine, apparently.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      For you to see how difficult can be to please everyone: During a long time people used to come here and complain that Opera was only adding features, doing UI changes and forgetting about fixing some very old reported bugs. And now people complains that Opera is fixing too many bugs.

      Unfotunately there will always be a side unsatisfied.

      • Cryio

        Well them don’t live on extremes. Go in the middle.
        They could have a feature release/bug fixes release for all I care. But at least I want to see some substantial features added.

  • WizardEM

    Is there any way to turn autoupdate off? I have found a bug with audio on vk.com (DNA-20373) and I tried to rollback Opera Next to previous version (21.0.1432.48). But after rollback Opera Next automatically updated to the latest version (22.0.1471.16).

  • OldHickory30

    Address bar tweak in early “Chrome Beta” puts every savvy user at risk? What about Opera? Can I assume this doesn’t apply?

    http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/address-bar-tweak-in-early-version-of-chrome-puts-even-savvy-users-at-risk/

    • NoName

      Even people at Google does not like this (Paul Irish). It’s a test so far.
      I’m pretty sure it goes against what Opera believes is the best, as far as I have seen from Opera guys tweets.

    • fanboi punisher

      This better be a lesson to the Chropera team and is what we all (except the fanboys) have been saying all the time since O15 for showing the DAMN FULL URL ADDRESS and were treated like junk.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        O21 already offers the option to show full address.

  • Wraith

    I hope O23 bring some new features, this version is just for bug fixes and new backgroun…….cof cof sorry I mean new themes.

  • DieMcCulloch

    Will we ever see client side certificate support like we did in Opera 12. This is the only thing that stops me from using Opera as my dedicated browser.

    I do not like IE or Firefox, and your browser is much shinier and polished than Chrome. However it is the only one that does not support this functionality which is needed for authentication in a corporate environment.

    Thank you for your time in reading this.

  • moto0000

    Plis, add option “Hide [+] on Speed Dial” !!!!!!!

  • Deus Ex Vino

    You switched to chrome engine, to freer resources for faster feature development.
    supposedly.
    Is this new “silent autoupdate” at least optional? a switch anywhere? so we can prevent updates to broken versions?

  • fanboi punisher

    “Opera 22 brings new themes and seamless updates”
    “Opera 21 brought “show full url adress” ”

    Meanwhile…

  • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

    Srsly? You removed nice default “themes” which I used since Opera 20? Why? Is it too hard to ADD NOT REPLACE “themes”?

    • fanboi punisher

      That is a good question… But with so many irrational things happening at the moment in the world of Opera it is difficult to find a logical answer…

      • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

        Opera Software logic ;_;

        PS “We’re working to make the internet worst. Follow us to discover what we are failed currently.” ;D

        • LoverOfLife

          Funny :))

    • x a

      It’s often difficult to accept and adapt to change. But come on, these kinds of changes cannot hurt too much…! (You can quite easily “extract” the beloved background image using the ”Web Inspector“, save them and load them via the Themes page.)

      Cry-outs like these make developers consider issues like missing bookmarks (ie forced transition from classic bookmarks to speeddial & stash) a pure deficit of adaption, either, while it introduced a real lack of usability (their theorized usage pattern just does not cover many every day cases).

      • Nekomajin42

        On the other hand, it is almost impossible to write a function to check the currently set theme. If it is one of the pre-installed themes, the updater keeps it and deletes only the others.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Transfer those themes from your O21 profile into O22 Next.

      C:UsersYOUAppDataRoamingOpera SoftwareOpera Stablethemes

    • Ben L.

      Same for me.
      If needed, here the images from old “themes”:
      http://filer.net/get/w4qmxhyhdsmp75x2

  • Vux777

    is it just me, or some of default fonts changed (gain weight/fat)?… red font on dev console, on outlook mail (new mail list) etc….

  • theomni

    I’m still concerned about the silent or seamless updates. Is there a way or will there be a way to disable that? At the very least I’d like to have the three settings of Do Not Check for Updates, Check and Ask, and Check and (silently) Install Updates. I remember several times in Opera’s history where an update broke something. (Usually mouse gestures I think) A future update would fix it, but there was still a lag there before the new update came out. In those cases I was able to simply chose not to update until a fix was available. What will happen when that situation recurs with this new setup?

  • Carson Coyote

    Anyone else having problems with the “Load More Comments” button at the bottom of this page? When I click on it, nothing happens.

    Hmm… it also seems that I can’t use the comment sorting options.

    • ayespy

      I was actually unable to access comments for this blog post at all for several hours. Disqus is having problems.

      • Alaknár

        I am unable to access them at all… Unless I first go to the Disqus site and log in there. Then all the comments appear after refreshing the blogs.opera page.

    • senna_4ever

      it’s normal here (but iam using opera next)

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    Will I be seeing this for too long? Is there a way to disable it?

    Happens when I middle-click a pic into a new tab in FB, switch to that tab and click on download.

    Also uploading that pic from O22 Next didn’t work, had to upload from O21 Stable.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Not happening here. Maybe an extension is causing it?

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        It didn’t happen in O22 Dev and is the same profile I transfer from one install to the other.

        But today it didn’t happen.

    • Vux777

      in my case this is happening when page starts to load and I stop it…or quickly after that click reload

    • senna_4ever

      beautiful grils

  • oic

    new default themes? I just set it to grey
    I don’t want annoying pictures hogging my screen, something windows 8 OS designers don’t get

    • Alloytoo

      100%, I want a simple “Off” for themes and let the UI revert to back to the basic theme.

  • escruting

    So, you removed my default theme (the one with nice blue forms/things) and replaced it with some flowers? And now i have to search your library of pictures so i can find another one that i like and is not too dark or too bright to fit the speed dial page and distract me from finding my speed dials quickly?
    And you’re telling me that next time this is gonna happen without even asking permission to the operating system? (this time it didnt ask anything either, i just restarted my browser and found this, i have UAC disabled, like every other normal human being).

    COOL!

    • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

      “Progress by Opera. Computer’s bad match.”

  • iG0Lka

    flag hidpi again not work. 30″ monitor with a resolution of 2560×1600, all the inscriptions and interface elements EXTREMELY small!!1!

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1009/3270/original.jpg

    i return to the 19th version.

    Please Fix the size of the inscriptions in the interface!!1!
    You can not have six months to deal with this problem!

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Afaik hidpi support was partially removed because it still needs more work. Only if you set the dpi at 200% or higher Opera will change the UI accordingly.

      http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/05/opera-21-desktop-released-aura-powered/#comment-1371644669

      • iG0Lka

        but in 19 versions, problems with the size of the font in Opera interface is not!

        why did it break? Why six months it can not return?

        • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

          Because it’s Opera. They working hard to fix bugs and fail with normal and basic features.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Iirc, it was a bug.

          • iG0Lka

            do not understand.
            bug is that the size of the fonts in the interface everything was OK? % – (

            In chrome no problem with that.

  • x a

    Bug? With opera://flags/#enable-viewport-meta enabled, images in an extension popup are small (probably ½?), unless I place a viewport meta tag (width=device-width) there.

  • http://my.opera.com/greench greench

    If you fix bugs, you should fix these primarely:
    – Windows XP SP2 support (or anounce at least Opera won’t support XP SP2). Opera couldn’t install on XP SP2.
    – HiDPI mode was working properly on Opera 18 but last 3 version(19,20,21) it is broken.
    – Speed dial tab shows a white blank until opening.

    If you interested in feature development, people want these
    – Sync (multiple desktop and mobile)
    – Customization (replacing buttons, bars, removing some of them, left panel(like in opera 12))
    – Integration. I think it is critical part. Old opera provides best solution with in perfect manner. If you don’t like it, you have option to customize it. To demonstrate, if you want to short list in right click menu, you are able to reduce list elements amount. If you don’t want to tab bar to achieve extra space, you could remove it. If you don’t want to refresh icon on left side of address bar, you can change its location where you want. It has true theme management, so you can change icons on the browser. Opera browser changes its shape for identity of every person. For example, we arranged an contest that users sent a screenshot of their opera in order to show power of customization to non-opera users. We were supprised when we saw them. Some of them very colorful some of them were minimalisticly designed, some of them were classic. Every people designed its browser whatever they want. Apart from customization, Opera has cleverly integrated features that bring the solution to problem for certain periods. You always stay in a single window while you are surfing. If you don’t want, there is a way to disable it. If you close a tab accidentally, there are many ways to reback it. You click button on tab bar, use shortcut or use mouse gesture. There are alternatives and people like this opportunuty. Opera was far beyond the time due to its features. Opera was be able to get every people that follow its blog, its news or its softwares to shock, but now it seems not. They continuosly pass another browser or stay at the old version. I think Opera Opera now has less impact on the Web due to decresing of its userbase. Old users could’nt use new Opera beacuse it doesn’t provide above features I wrote. Users of the other browsers don’t want to pass Opera because everything in Opera has already provided another browsers. There is no distinction between Opera and Chrome or Maxthon and Opera. Why we will stay at Opera will be determied by you. :)

    • bwat47

      - Windows XP SP2 support (or anounce at least Opera won’t support XP SP2).

      Windows XP isn’t even supported by microsoft anymore, and on top of that SP2 isn’t even the latest SP.

    • L33t4opera

      Windows XP SP2 support

      Hi Greench, you can try to install the “Windows Imaging Component“, then retry the Opera’s installation, and see if it helps.

      • http://zettlina.com greench

        :up:)

    • amma

      Keep dreaming

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    Since Aura (O21 and on) I get this thumbnail for html5test, O20 and all previous versions got it right.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      This I get in Opera 20, never reload it, so I don’t screw it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    I just installed Chrome, I mean the real thing, not planning to use it much, if at all, just wanted to check all the features and I realized it got TAB STACKING!!! A feature firstly introduced and ditched by Opera!!

    • Cryio

      With the help of some extension I presume

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        Yeah but Opera invented that concept and it’s others taking advantage, meanwhile we take excuses.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        Nothing but I found something useful, not related to this, thanks anyway.

  • helsten2

    Hmm,
    Favicons in the Bookmark Bar still do not work … (since version 7)
    Time to fix it?

    • Vux777

      favIcons work fine in my case
      opera is not creating them on page visit?
      what is version 7?

      • helsten2

        Version 7 is a very old version of Opera. Basically Favicons has never worked in Opera.
        I thought it was working in these latest versions, but now I notice the same issues as before: Wrong icons are displayed for different bookmarks – at random.

        • ayespy

          Hm. That doesn’t happen here. Ever.

        • Dmitry Kirin

          Never happened here. If all nonstandard favicons were empty, I’d think I’ve misconfigured my firewall and it’s blocking favicon files. But given that you have this randomness… I don’t know.

  • Positron

    Well, to be quite honest, I still see no reason whatsoever to upgrade from good old version 12.17 to this new version 22. Really, you should’ve just developed the Chromium-based line silently, up to the point where it, at the very least, would’ve been equal to the latest build in the Presto-based line, and only then have introduced it to the user base as a new version.

    So, my advice to the developers: don’t release any more versions until Opera’s usability, functionality, and feature-richness are back, once again!

  • Kurt Zon

    Don’t mean to rock the boat here, but I can actually surf the web with this browser. Isn’t that what it is intended for¿¿

    • mathman

      Well, it depends on whether you’re satisfied with a toy (just want to play around and surf the web) or need a tool (to help in getting work done). Right now (and in my opinion), Opera 15-22 still fits the mold of ‘toy’ whereas Opera 12.17 is a tool that lets me work. I’m hopeful that it’ll become a tool again but at the pace it’s going it looks like that might be at least another year or two away. Although, silent updates with no way to easily disable them will be a deal breaker for me – not going to have software on my systems that do that.

    • Azrael

      If you just want to surf the net why bother installing this in the first place? IE will be plenty enough for you.

  • Dmitry Kirin

    Hey Opera,

    Thank you for persuading Google to deal with their search results issue! I wonder if you have asked or could ask them also to look into the similar problem with Google Image Search: when I use image search extensions, like Search by Image (by Google) or Similar Image Search, it does some wrong redirect once it has detected I’m using Opera. Please, ask them to repair it as well.

  • Alacran

    Like most of the users here, I’m interested to see if and when Opera devs are going to bring back the killer O12.x features.
    It was said that they would be “gradually” implemented but actually, I can’t recall seeing any of them being implemented in the Chromium based Opera.
    In my opinion, if you proceed with minor changes and cosmetic updates, more and more users will switch to other browsers.
    I guess nobody really needs a Chrome clone, but instead we want back the unique Opera features from version 12.
    Cheers.

    • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

      Srsly you guys don’t reading the comments in this blog? Features like Notes, Opera Mail (or RSS only), configurable gestures and some others will NEVER be in new Opera. They making a browser not for user, because “they know what user want”. You need to wait or you can use now Otter browser.

  • Herr Pietrus

    Hmm… How can I keep old themes? I really like the one called “Sand”…

  • amma

    What’s up with this build!? it’s memory hog!
    Before, this page didn’t consume more than 300-400MB!

    • amma

      and here is one after fresh install
      The page is for Facebook album with 250 thumbnails.

  • Mahmoud Hossam

    are there no plans to support h264 video, or implement smooth scroll ?

  • Ro St

    Good to see that Opera is evolving, and that there is a “Mac and Linux” development section. Unfotunately, Linux does not seem to be further developed beyond version 12.16, and I am encountering websites that require Opera 15 or higher. So after more than 20 years of using Opera, I may have to say goodbye, at least as a desktop user. That would be very sad.

  • sickofwaiting

    So, full release number 10 since last linux build, still no linux support in sight.
    Finally, I have settled for another browser and ain’t looking forward to a linux build anymore, so don’t worry, this ain’t one of those “Where’s my linux build?!”-posts.

    But: I haven’t read anything about Opera Mail yet. Is it officially “windows and mac only”, or will you keep telling us, there will be linux support in the near future, too? Cuz unlike the browser, the Mail client is actually some pretty good piece of software considering the competitors.

    • Azrael

      So, where’s the problem? What stops you from using the last Linux version of Opera, the true one?

      • sickofwaiting

        So you think “Use the outdated, nonfunctional browser!” is an adequate answer to “(When) Will the Mail client be released?”

        And if that version is “the true one”, why don’t we all grab our time machines and go back to 1999?

        • Azrael

          Outdated , nonfunctional? You must be a fanboi, only them are capable of denying the blatantly obvious evidence to the contrary with a such a straight face.
          Well, for the same reason you are a fanboi – some persons have a functioning brain, others don’t.
          Message sent using Opera 12.14 running in PCLinuxOS 2014.05 .

          • SQL

            I once tried to use facebook with opera 12.xx.. wasn’t nice

          • Azrael

            I don’t know what your problem was but it surely wasn’t caused by Opera – in all my 3 pc’s FB loads and works just fine. Of course i use some quite aggressive ad, element and privacy filters so maybe you could have an issue with the bloat i don’t even know it exists.

          • Dmitry Kirin

            With Facebook, the difference between Presto and Blink shows when you open >500 comments to a post. It does not seem to be related to ads, it’s just the way all their javascript nightmare is working.

          • SQL
          • Azrael

            I did just that – looked inside it – and guess what i found? Tons and tons of webkit patches. So in the end i guess it’s not their fault , it’s the fault of all those site designers and coders that did what even they eventually did – they sold their souls and skills to the devil.

          • Alaknár

            Are you an insane person? Sold their souls to the devil?

            Regardless, it really doesn’t matter whose fault is it. The fact is that sites don’t work on old Opera.

          • Azrael

            Not very smart , are you?

          • SQL

            Yes- what else could you do? You either keep on writing this hacky shit or change to another engine.

          • Onaj Tamo

            Doesn’t matter.Fact is Opera 12 is not the fastest anymore.Back when I started using it around version 9 it was even faster than Chrome.Speed is just as important as features to me.And linux support as well is very important to me.I so wish they would release their source code,regardless of the presto or the newer versions.I don’t know what is stopping them from doing so since they switched to chromium wich by itself is completely open source.Sent from my chromium which is at least fully open source if nothing else.I might switch to Firefox though.
            btw. afaik the foss community is notorious for not only using cutting edge software but even using bleeding edge(alpha and beta) software.

          • sickofwaiting

            You didn’t, did you?

            You call me a fanboi because I’d like to use a browser that’s not 2 yrs out of updates, something that you do?

            You have obviously described yourself in that entry.
            I won’t dignify your spam with any more answers.

          • Azrael

            Did the internet standards alter so radically in those 2 years? If yes why didn’t i and almost every other person on the planet noticed that?
            Face it, you’re one of those guys that updates his programs just to keep it up with the Jones, not because you have to. So calling you a fanboi is quite accurate.

          • Vux777

            I don’t know how it is on Linux, but on Windows, surfing with Presto Opera (11.64 and v.12) became pain in the a**.
            Presto struggles with every js page.
            I’m not happy because of it …but that’s just how it is.

          • Azrael

            Currently running it on XP and don’t have any issues whatsoever and honestly i even forgot when it has been the last time i had any – including secure or specialized pages.

  • A. R.

    Will Opera 23 finally be the version that meets the requirements of Opera 12 users?

    We Opera 12 users can’t wait another 6 months for features that seems that aren’t ever going to make it.

    The deadline is nearing up.

  • A. R.

    Lets get a some picture of how many here uses Opera 12.17?

    Please reply to this post if you do. Lets try to find out some kind of estimate.

    Arrow the topic up as well.

    It’s by far clear that the new Opera doesn’t meet the requirements of Opera 12.x users.

    I use the browser, but do also think how much I’m gonna miss this browser. As Opera isn’t answering to the issue, I’m going over Firefox’s addons if it could be made Opera 12 -like. For me it’s tab stacks and power user options. Also Notes. Not asking much but here is where I draw the line. Also a must have is option to run all tabs in one process.

    Why aren’t these awesome features such as tab stacing brought to the new Opera? In Chrome is available to choose if one wants to run all tabs in one process – why isn’t this available in the new Opera?

    • Azrael

      Still using 12.14 – far better than the 17 version and no google crap in it.

    • Yves

      12.17 for me too !

    • Alaknár

      I’m afraid you’re a bit late for that. Most people already commented and left this post. :)

      But yeah, I also use 12.17 as much as possible.

    • Onaj Tamo

      Probably not even 0.001% of total opera users visit this blog.

  • Dovelove

    Now trying to post with 12.17 old standy cause of all the automated doesn’t seem to work!!

    I had to post this with FIREFOX: Stable Opera 21 didn’t ever load my password for Discuss correctly. It would just flash by…….

    ___________________________________________________

    At the present time I’m logged in on Stable 21…I have looked and played around with 22 also. I didn’t think I’d ever be back here cause I THOUGHT I could give up on Opera and went to FireFox for two weeks and was somewhat disappointed. This may turn into a dissertation but my mind is opening up to OPERA and you have to know some history about the journey.

    Didn’t like 29.01 Firefox either SO much different and set up. It was HARD to change from the SMOOTH Opera 12 on both that I have used for years. Thought it was way faster than Opera but now that I have tried Opera 22 also I don’t think so. When last night it crashed on an important EXPENSIVE Ebay ad I said this stinks I’ll update my old Opera’s ( working with 4 it makes it hard).

    I guess I can see Opera is a work in progress and MAYBE I was a little to impatient…I’m just TIRED of jumping around 6 or so browsers when for all these years I learned one (Opera) so well. I can now see that if I wait long enough maybe they WILL get it correct.

    So compared 22 to Firefox, 22 seems to me at least to have THESE advantages:

    Loads as fast or faster.

    I can’t explain why but colors seem more dense and more vibrant, the layout and menus seem somewhat more familiar and easy.

    The bookmark add ons I tried weren’t nearly as powerful or handy as 12 had.

    Opera 12 everything seemed to be so integrated (especially mail) and all functions flow so well IF they can do that in the “new” Opera they have a winner.

    One thing that really hit me with “add ons” on all compared as to being integrated WITH the browser caused problems. Instead of a tested bug free ” add on” you MAY or very well COULD get a buggy from third party programmer, I am guessing that was my problem with Ebay.

    Going with open source engine with 1000’s of 3rd. party add ons MAY prove to be a BIG headache for websites.

    • ayespy

      I have Pale Moon Browser set up to be as near a clone of Opera 12.17 as any non-Presto browser can be. I even installed simplemail client in it.

      Can NOT get used to it. It’s not as fluid or fast as even THIS lame excuse for an Opera browser, so I keep coming back to this for default.

      It’s killing me how slow things like visual tabs, vertical elements, etc. are coming back to this UI. If ANY other browser ever brings back all of the quality and elements 12.17 had, I’m there in a heartbeat. So far, though, it’s a futile search.

      • Dovelove

        Thank you very much this whole Chrome led browser engine change has CAUSED ME MORE WASTED TIME AND TROUBLE THAN ALMOST ANY OTHER change in my 30+ years with computers.

        Opera 12.17 is more reliable not being TOUCHED in a year than any NEW browser I’ve tried. Mails a mess Opera doesn’t even Import pins, labels etc. from previously sent Emails that were VERY important for me!!

        I need to re-boot now because I tried downloading with Firefox your pale moon. Kaspersky FROZE up checking the download and it hogging all the resources so I’m going to have to quit. I’m doing all this on 12.17 and downloaded the pale moon even with Kaspersky frozen up WITH NO PROBLEMS, and they wonder why we are FED up with “changes”. Changes for the positive not just for “change sake”.

        Can’t even use their own browsers to log on to my Disqus.

        • Rafael Luik

          Can’t even use their own browsers to log on to my Disqus.No problems here.

    • Onaj Tamo

      uh your problem probably happened because you have some blocked popup settings.the same problem happens with chromium.

  • Fhury

    The feedback from Opera itself on their own blog is again sinking to a historical low :(

    • L33t4opera

      “Visit us at the Mobile Show in Dubai” – May 13-14 2014 ;-)

  • fliker

    In 21 there is a bug in youtube videos, when watching it on other site. Sometimes there is a problem with bottom bar, which is hidden all the time. On the evening I check if it is still in 22.

    • nicks

      agree, i have the same problem on different pages

    • fliker

      I checked it and in 22 it seems that this bug happens less often, but happens. And I remind one more issue, when I open a page often I cannot use e.g CTRL+W shortcut to close card until I click by mouse on the page.

  • PeaceMan Peace

    sync?

  • Fabio Antonio Esquivel Chacón

    Will there ever be a 64-bit native Opera?

    For Windows I mean…

    • Leonardo Gomes

      I don’t think so. Not in a near future at least.

  • magampista

    Does not appear in the search http://images.google.com site.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Known issue. Google needs to fix it.

  • ayespy

    Know what ticks me off?

    There are only terrible browsers out there. Opera is slightly less terrible in some minor respects than others, and that’s the reason, with steadily declining enthusiasm, I continue to use it. Something like Pale Moon is also slightly less terrible than the market in general, in that it is configurable in something approaching the ways I like to see my browser configured – but at bottom it is no better than Opera, and is somewhat slower and less responsive, plus I like the way it displays pages less well.

    But the browser market has become this: You may have a window through which to look at the internet. And that is all. If you want more, don’t bother us, because if it won’t fit on a smart phone and isn’t touch-operable, WE ARE NOT BUILDING IT. If you want tools or functions, you’d better get used to web-based everything, because no one is ever building anything desktop-based again, if it can be housed on a server thousands of miles away, accessible through your little square window here, via some sort of thin client.

    Old Opera spoiled me for all modern browsing. It offered a completely flexible and configurable UI. I could set it to do everything I wanted, and nothing I didn’t want. It let me arrange things side-by-side, including my mail, so I could see and access everything all the time, in a single interface. Even the mail client was extremely sophisticated, doing things like perfectly mirroring folders in IMAP client, etc. It had extensions whereby I could see my calendar in a pop-up, see my passwords, and more. I could identify every tab at a glance without having to read anything. I could arrange PERFECT space usage on the desktop. Sure, it had stuff I never needed or wanted, like notes and “panels” (specialized web links), etc., but lots of people DID want these things, and if I didn’t, they were never in my way.

    I could turn on or off every single kind of toolbar known to man, place them anywhere on the screen, have as fancy or plain icons and other UI features as I wanted at the drop of a hat, have UI elements take up as much or as little space as I wanted, set the color and size of everything, etc., etc.

    Then we got the new version. I thought it was awful. So I tried ALL (and I mean all) the browsers out there, and every last one of them in some way or all ways was just as bad or worse. I don’t know what’s more of a nightmare – the fact that it seems Opera may never be wonderful again, or the fact that if it isn’t, THERE’S NOTHING REMOTELY BETTER OUT THERE, and so there is ZERO INCENTIVE on the part of developers to return to the same innovation and customer-responsiveness we became used to on desktop, because any number of users will stay here out of pure inertia, as I tend to, because none of the stuff we like is anywhere else, either.

    I’m in my 60’s now. I may not live to see the internet browser as an actual TOOL ever return to the world. And it makes me sad. And angry.

    Please, Opera. Prove me wrong.

    • Leif Roar Moldskred

      “But pop culture holds a disdain for history. Pop culture is all about identity and feeling like you’re participating. It has nothing to do with cooperation, the past or the future — it’s living in the present. I think the same is true of most people who write code for money. They have no idea where [their culture came from] — and the Internet was done so well that most people think of it as a natural resource like the Pacific Ocean, rather than something that was man-made. When was the last time a technology with a scale like that was so error-free? The Web, in comparison, is a joke. The Web was done by amateurs.” — Alan Kay, interview in Dr. Dobbs.

      • ayespy

        Hear, hear.

      • Onaj Tamo

        pop culture is lame and should be forgotten.

    • Steve Hayes

      You might want to stay in touch with the Otter browser development at http://www.otter-browser.org/ It will be a clone of Opera 12.

      • ayespy

        I have been observing it keenly since its first alpha. I have installed every release.

      • Onaj Tamo

        When I install otter trough console,does it appear in the menus?

      • senna_4ever

        u tested it? is it good?

      • Arianwen

        Interesting. I might keep an eye on it, see if it can improve on Opera 12.16 .

    • Wraith

      You have a big Frustation, I can understand every single word you wrote… I think a lot of user are feeling that way right now. I hope Opera 23 bring some cool features because the patience has limits.

      • ayespy

        “…the patience has limits.” Indeed it does. I tend to be pretty diplomatic, and not very critical of the developers’ efforts, partly because I believe you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Then, too, they are doing something which I can’t do, and I respect that.

        But I am also a firm believer that it is incumbent upon people who produce something for users to be aware of who those users are, what they are like, and what their needs are. SOMEONE has to look out for minority needs. It can’t just all be about the masses. Until now, Opera was the only browser that was not all about the masses. I miss that.

    • L33t4opera
      • ayespy

        Heh! :)

        • L33t4opera

          ;-)

    • Rafael Luik

      if it won’t fit on a smart phone and isn’t touch-operable, WE ARE NOT BUILDING IT

      Please stop spreading this BS. Since when does .exe and the Mac app run in any mobile platform OS?

      • ayespy

        I have noticed the tendency, Rafael, and I am sure you have, too (and if you haven’t, you will if you think on it) to strive for consistency in cross-platform consistency in coding and in “experience” – that software authors more and more want the phone and tablet user to get the SAME look and feel as the desktop user. Due to space and control limitations on the smaller touch-screen platforms, this is only possible if the desktop version is subjected to design limitations which make it similar to the versions on the more restricted platforms.

        This is increasingly visible in practice, and has actually been expressed explicitly by developers (speaking of cross-platform uniformity of experience) in multiple fields, ESPECIALLY the browser market.

        An instance of this would be replacing bookmarks with a speed dial that includes folders. This can be the same on both desktop and on little touch screens.

        So I am not speaking literally, here. But I AM talking about a real, observable trend.

        We never saw this in old Presto Opera. The sky was the limit for it on desktop. ON smartphones, etc., it was a different concept.

        • Rafael Luik

          This is simply not true in practice. If you ever tried the Android version you’d see how the desktop version still has a bunch of options/features not available there.

          • ayespy

            It’s a general principle and trend, Raf. You may not see it, but I do. Software authors are becoming increasingly reluctant to include features that work poorly or not at all on a small touch screen. My entire rant is full of fairly obvious exaggerations, because I was in a foul mood. But hey – if you’re not gonna complain when in a foul mood, then when CAN ya do it?

          • fanboi punisher

            Not true about the exaggerations, you were absolutely right in everything you’ve said.

            “At first, we also planned to build Speed Dial, Stash, Discover and so on with native code, but when seeing that the performance of our first functional web-based prototypes was excellent, we decided to go with a web-based (and hence cross-platform) UI for these parts instead. Indeed, you can open Web Inspector and see how they’re built.”

            Sebastian Baberowski – Jul 2/2013

            http://blogs.opera.com/desktop

      • Guest

        .

        • Joana Silva

          / A moderator of the blog advising Rafael not continue this discussion… :P

      • fanboi punisher

        LOL you’d better stop writing BS because it shows how uninformed you are about native- vs. web-based programming.

        “At first, we also planned to build Speed Dial, Stash, Discover and so on with native code, but when seeing that the performance of our first functional web-based prototypes was excellent, we decided to go with a web-based (and hence cross-platform) UI for these parts instead. Indeed, you can open Web Inspector and see how they’re built.”

        Sebastian Baberowski – Jul 2/2013

        http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/tag/opera-15/

        • Rafael Luik

          Fuck off. Sebastian was talking about Win-Mac-Linux Speed Dial, Stash and Discover since they’re programmed like regular web pages, nothing else.
          I already answered about this, when you were using another username to troll this blog perhaps.

          • fanboi punisher

            You are the disgrace of this blog.

          • Rafael Luik

            Oh no I made the little crybaby troll cry… Owwwwn!

          • fanboi punisher

            On the contrary you ridicule yourself even more, teeny-boy.

    • Alloytoo

      Well said,

      In addition to the non configurable UI, the second most frustrating thing is the new download manager, which now appears to favour “Groovy” over function.

      Please, Opera. Prove us wrong.

  • nanana1

    Opera 23 Developer build 23.0.1499.0 is just made available for our testing !

    http://get.geo.opera.com/ftp/pub/opera-developer/23.0.1499.0/win/Opera_Developer_23.0.1499.0_Setup.exe

    • fanboi punisher

      I don’t test for free though, especially when devs don’t give a shit for what the community/user base wants, cause no one asked for that kind of regression.

      • Rafael Luik

        no one was unsatisfied with O12

        Hahahaha, ahahahaha, joke of the year…

        • fanboi punisher

          …said the biggest joke of the blog.

    • Vux777

      I don’t know what’s under the hood (as far as I can see, no new flags)
      but only visual difference in v.23 is bugged tab loading animation

      • fanboi punisher

        Have no worries, it is probably another solid foundation for… “future features”

        • Piotr Karol Marek Żółtowski

          Progress, ah, dat progress (:

      • nanana1

        My bookmarks favicons went missing in this Developer build and also seeing more website crashes. Be warned.

  • Noplacetorun

    Google’s search by image is still not working, just saying.

    • Rafael Luik

      It’s Google’s fault.

  • Ralf Brinkmann
  • NIBB

    Are you going to allow to disable silent updates? In our organization we run Opera sandboxed, this means the software needs to updated outside of the sandbox, then the new version also runs sanboxed, but if you actually update it inside the sandbox, that is a mess, it means the new Opera version is installed in the sandbox environment and if you run the browser outside you are going to run the old version.

    Please what ever you do, let users choose a setting to turn this off. We update the minute a new notification comes in, but if Opera will update itself in the background without a choice, then I have to say its the dead of Opera for business because technically this will not work in allot of environments or workplaces. I just posted one example where this can´t work. So please let users still opt out of this and just be notified, otherwise you are forcing users to block the auto update exe or block it via firewalls to avoid automatic updates which is even worse.

  • zeke

    Hello

    Opera Next is not updating. When I click on “About Opera” > updates an error message appears.( 22.0.1471.16 – An error occurred while checking for updates)

    I have an old (6 yrs +) 32 bit imac running snow leopard. Hope this is useful.

    Otherwise: thanks a lot for a fantastic browser. Love it. Fast, clean and intuitive.
    Very intelligent design. :)

    Congrats to the developers.
    zeke

  • zeke

    feel like an idiot. did not read post be4 posting. .( old updates r out. the new silent is in. hence no manual updates. nice change. patch instead of package.
    greetings and thanks for the browser. :) zeke

  • gg

    Download Chrome browser with useful extensions here https://www.dropbox.com/s/zfpz1t6vpxwqwgx/Chrome.exe

    It has a plug-in for downloading videos from Youtube

  • L33t4opera

    New Opera Next 22.0.1471.34, the change log, and the announcement.

  • Indian_Art

    @Ruarí Ødegaard
    As team lead for Linux desktop browsers my question to you is why is Opera for Linux being neglected, the last version I think was 12.16. Why have you forsaken Linux????? Why????

    Since you are the team lead for Linux desktop browsers should you not take some of the blame???? :(

  • Indian_Art

    Y U no love Linux??? :( :(

  • munstah

    For work I use v12 because of three main reasons:
    * Pin tab – still here
    * Ability to position tab- and bookmarks bar anywhere, I have both on the left
    * Notes – I need to constantly fill in repetitive information into our case tracking tool. With Notes a simple right click lets you choose whatever you need. Firefox used to have a similar add-on (Clippings), which has gone now, too. Web-clippings (e.g. for Evernote) is nice to have, but not if you want to fill in a web-form quickly. And I don’t even want to count the number of times Notes saved me from retyping information that I quickly saved by using ‘Copy to Notes’.
    * about:config – the old Opera preference settings may have been overwhelming for some, but if you really needed to tweak stuff and with the right documentation to back it up – perfect.
    * quick-download – oh man! – how much time did that save me over the years

    So while v22 is certainly a well-done product, not having those features available will prevent me from switching. And as it stands there is nothing in v22 that would make me want to choose it over Chrome, Firefox or Safari. It seems to me a bit unfinished.
    The way I see it, unless Opera pulls something really magic out of their hat, there is little chance that this ever becomes a mainstream browser. So why not concentrate on making it a “special” browser with “special features” included (like Notes :)) and super-amazing-interface-versatility – and I’m not talking about skins here…

  • tjcombo

    Where the heck is Oprea Notes / Link ?? – I can’t update till you bring the Notes back!!

  • http://www.google.com Saba

    I want bookmarks menu like in “Opera 12″. I love browsing with my bookmarks instead those stashes that are removed once I visited it. If no bookmarks then I don’t care how good new opera looks.

  • Puneet

    How to reload all tabs at a time in OPERA 22.0???

  • SA

    WAIT WHAT?

    Silent, smaller updates

    So we can’t disable updates?

  • http://nothing.com Aravind Sivaraj

    I think it’s over a year now since the care for presto was dropped. With several disabilities I am still sticking on with Opera 12.17 (websites are being built in a whole new dimension nowadays making the year old version incompatible). There are several others like me waiting to see the Opera Link back in live action alongside the bookmarks.

    Please do something and bring the life back to Opera!

  • Private_Eyescream

    Oboy, now I cannot remove the ULTRA-SHITTY WORTHLESS “SPEED DIAL” now.

    The browser looks a bit nicer and I can finally turn off all that worthless “GESTURE” crap on my desktop PC, but not being able to easy-kill the SPEED DIAL retardedness just may require me to delete this browser entirely.

  • Jerry Garber

    I don’t want to use the Opera theme or background at all. How do I turn that feature off to revert to my windows background?