Opera Next Twenty, for the Cognoscenti

Thanks to you all for comments, testing and bug reports! Opera 20 moves from the Developer Stream to the Next stream, where it’s feature complete and ready for the last phase of merciless bug squashing and optimisations for speed, glorious speed.

Features

  • Bookmarks bar – you can drag sites from speed dial and tabs
  • The URL bar badge shows a broken padlock if the site’s certificate is not valid
  • Advanced settings: use big speed dial thumbnails
  • Advanced settings: set width and height of speed dial thumbnails
  • Menu items for Speed Dial, Discover, and Stash

Maintenance

  • Improved stash screenshots – goodbye blurry images!
  • Performance improvements of theme loading
  • Advanced setting:Confirm exit when using Command–Q on Mac
  • Network installer for Windows

Extensions

  • Inline installation of extensions. This makes it easier for users to install extensions hosted in the Opera addons store, but without leaving your site, thereby reducing friction. You simply use the following JavaScript:
    opr.addons.installExtension(<id>, [success_callback], [failure_callback]), where id is the ID of the extension, not the URL
  • Extensions chrome.system.storage API (documentation forthcoming)
  • chrome.downloads API (tutorial)
  • chrome.proxy API (tutorial)

Design

For the new release, we have refreshed the Mac disk image background a little. I think they are helpful trolls like those sometimes seen in the Norwegian mountains. In any case, they are there to guide you through the installation process.

Disk image background for Opera on Mac – Let Out the Monsters

Opera Next 20 is built lovingly in Norway and Poland on top of Chromium / Blink 33. Take a look at the full changelog. Let us know if you find any bugs or problems!

Downloads

Full changelog.

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  • SkyWarriorBR

    Thanks, Helge! Testing…

  • lol1

    linux :)

    • Cryio

      Not in the Next builds of 20 buddy.

  • nanana1

    Interesting Next version ! Let’s the testing begins….. :D

  • L33t4opera

    Thanks for the announcement of new Opera Next 20, Helge :-)
    Good job, congrats Opera’s Developers ;-)

    • Shawny_Shawn

      Honestly, how can you say they’re doing a “good job” when there are so many major features missing still missing? I’m talking about stuff like Linux support, and real bookmarks. These are features that previous versions of Opera have had for many, many years.

      Regressing to a level of functionality below that of old versions of Opera released years ago is not something to be proud of, and it’s not something to be supportive of. At this point, these new releases of Opera aren’t even playing catch-up with Chrome or Firefox. They’re still playing catch-up with Opera 3!

      • L33t4opera

        Hi Shawny_Shawn, I understand you, but let me explain some things:
        1. They do good job in regards to continuous progress in developing of new Opera (maybe the changes are not always significant, but still it’s noticable progress in work), and besides, fix some of the bugs on a regular basis, they are also involved in development of the Chromium project, which has a significant impact on the development of new Opera.
        2. It’s not regression, it’s work in progress, and fresh start nearly from scratch: “There’s many different things at play. But Win+Mac are not based on Chromium UI code, so it’s a lot of work in fact.
        3. Regarding the Linux case, you should know, that Windows or Mac are not only ones of my operating system platforms, so I personaly suffer because of this “delay” in some way too.
        4. They said also, that the true bookmark manager will be implemented in later time, and therefore the “Bookmarks Bar” is only slight part of the whole “real bookmarks” implementation:
        I believe we’ve said few times that the QAB is just a beginning of bookmarks.
        5. You should be also aware, they said this already many times, that not all of the old Opera’s features will come back, because the new Opera will not be the clone of old one.

  • Cryio

    I still don’t get it.

    Blink wasn’t supposed to be a clean, optimized, trimmed version of Chromium? And I mean weren’t they supposed to be a different engine now, like what Safari and Chrome had until now?

    I keep seeing this Opera based on Chromium/Blink …

    • Marcin Mitek

      Clean, optimized, trimmed fork of Webkit, and part of Chromium.

      • Cryio

        If Apple doesn’t use Webkit (1) and Chrome/Opera don’t use Webkit … who uses Webkit anymore?

        • http://trustnoduck.blogspot.tw/ 茶米

          But Apple (Safari) does use WebKit.

          • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

            AppleWebKit, you mean.

          • DD64

            OT: Why does Opera 15+’s user agent contains “AppleWebKit” … “Chrome” … “Safari”. Is it only because of compability-reasons or are there other reasons? Opera hadn’t this before.

          • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

            Its all due to site-compatibility. We still include “Mozilla” in there too. The same reason we do not include “Opera” in the User-Agent anymore, but use the new identifier “OPR”.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Apple doesn’t use Webkit?

        • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

          Apple, Epiphany, Midori, Steam, Otter…

  • Christian Wallrich

    When we can sort the extension-buttons?

    • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

      Maybe in Opera Developer 21? I also still waiting for this feature.

      • NiceSuperName

        Maybe in Opera Developer 48?

        • guest6768

          I don’t think so, it is too risky for the new audience of Opera…. What if average Joe and his >60+ aunt accidentally moves it on top of the other extension? Quelle catastrophe!

          Anyway.. from what I’ve heard you should search for an extension for that…

          • Vux777

            can you share the name of that extension with us?

          • senna_4ever

            so it would be for power/advanced users – konami code

          • guest6768

            Yeah I also want some Capcom codes as well as some Taito ones… for ultra super power users of course (doing trivial stuff of course). But until then all I desire is an (external) extension fixing other (external) extension, I don’t want something in-house programmed. I just enjoy the many already built features, there’s no need for something else.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      That option would be good.

  • http://my.opera.com/ZakMichigan/blog/ Jean Chicoine

    And what about Linux?

    • Cryio

      If there wasn’t a DEVELOPER build, you can be pretty sure there won’t be any Linux Next build.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        So hard to get for whinners!

      • Leonardo Gomes

        Also, it was said many times that there won’t be any news regarding Linux until March, at least.

    • Mithaldu

      Very unlikely to ever come back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7129955

      • Leonardo Gomes

        This story again?

        • Mithaldu

          Since you seem to have had a spot of trouble in writing a nuanced and qualified reply, i will aid you in providing the needed parts to make your reply helpful, interesting and informative.

          You seem to feel some disagreement to my posting of the link.

          Does this stem from the fact that it has been posted here before? If so, please consider that Jean did ask and apparently has not seen it before.

          Does it stem from the information in my link being factually wrong? If so, please educate me and Jean by providing or linking to more information.

          Cheers and please have an excellent evening. :)

          • Leonardo Gomes

            This story was already mentioned and discussed here, check the comments on previous posts.

          • Mithaldu

            Ah, so it was a helpful and informative reply for Jean. Thank you for clearing that up. :)

    • Leonardo Gomes

      As said many times before, there won’t be any news regarding Opera for Linux until March at least.

    • bruce lawson

      There isn’t a Linux build yet. As we said before, it’s being worked on but it’s premature to give a release date.

      • Cqoicebordel

        (I know I won’t be answered, but I won’t stop asking)
        Is there any chance we could know why it is so hard to provide a Linux version ? What is blocking the dev/release ?
        And why isn’t there any more communication ?

      • Shawny_Shawn

        Bruce, can you please answer Cqoicebordel’s questions?

        We know that Chromium and Chrome both have very good support for Linux. Heck, even earlier versions of Opera had very good support for Linux. So why all these troubles now? What’s the real reason that Linux isn’t yet supported? Why is it taking so long?

  • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

    Thanks and the time to wait Developer build :)

  • Sync Originals

    Music still not playing at our site with this version either. Look forwards in “hearing” http://syncoriginals.com ( Chrome/Yandex/Maxthron – all work ).

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      I believe this have been answered previously, but here we go again:

      Opera does not,a t this point in time, support the proprietary MP3 format. HTML5 audio allows you to provide multiple sources including OGG Vorbis which would work in the browsers that do not support MP3.

      You should read up on the HTML5 element and codecs.

      Support for other codecs, such as MP3 and MPEG-4, could be supported at a later time. Look out for codec support announcements on the blog.

      • Sync Originals

        !now that is news,. opera does not support a audio format ( mp3 ) that is used by 99% of all music sites on the planet. Pity!

        • Paczus

          Are you insane? Most websites use Ogg Vorbis, what’s the point of HTML5 if you’re going to keep using propertiary format like MP3 anyway?

          • Sync Originals

            :)! Are we insane! So is the rest of all other music “business” platforms worldwide. Have you ever heard the expression : Bad habits die hard! Do yourself a favor and read about on the state of the music industry; all we are doing is serving music supervisor with a format that they use,. Have a break Paczus, mind your bugs, our we are finally ( and very please with it ) is been looked at!

          • Pedro Costa

            Sorry to say, but that is not really the truth. Most streaming sites provide backup plans for people that don’t have tools to read property formats, like mp3.

            Thats why I can use Youtube, Gmusic, pandora, grooveshark, etc…with Opera.

            But you are right in one thing, digital music selling is mostly in mp3. Almost only Apple (and thats a BIG only) pushes other formats to sell. For selling though people will just use their standalone players that almost all have mp3 playback. So I don’t see the problem there. Theres just a difference between streaming and selling (copies)

            If don’t want to marginalize Opera users, just make use of htm5 video tag by giving other fallback formats

          • Sync Originals

            Txs for the input Pedro, we are not selling, we are licensing :). Music Supervisors, Ad Creatives and the lot, in their 99.9% download our music on the site ( MP3) so they can listen away from the computer. Opera is my favorite tool, we use in both our offices LDN/SP. I for one never wrote anything to manifest my thoughts on all that went on so far with Bookmarks our BELOVED Email integrated on our work ( DONT YOU JUST “USED” TO LOVE HOW WE COULD HAVE NOTE, AS EMIAL TEMPLATES AND WITH 2 CLICKS SEND THAT REPLY :)! ANYWAYS, BACK TO MY POINT, as a boutique business ( read SMALL ) we lost money with all the changes, still we are Loyal! Now Opera should, as many of you put it, have had a more “elegant” approach to all of us in regards to all that went down.
            Look forwards in been able to WORK on the backend, as well as have my clients who use Opera able to WORK at the front end. Tim Tim!

          • Pedro Costa

            Nice feedback
            Good luck with your business ;)

          • Sync Originals

            Txs Pedro, all good so far, we “landed” in Brazil ( apparently, the land of opportunities) only 3 years ago. Slowly but surely: http://bit.ly/1b8xsbV

          • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

            Programmatic conversion from mp3 to ogg should be straightforward, and it pays in compatibility. You could even offer both formats for download (for offline listening).

          • Sync Originals

            txs for the education Sebastian, I shall ask the guys to build the site to flick that switch then.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Afaik, Opera never supported proprietary formats as it would be against their principles. That’s why Opera also doesn’t suport h264.

  • NiceSuperName

    where is bookmarks?

    • Cryio

      Where are*

      • NiceSuperName

        Ok.
        where are bookmarks?

        • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

          opera://flags/#quick-access-bar

          • Fhury

            Bookmarks is the request, not the half baked QAB. Every user knows what the OP asks. Why come up with QAB? Are trying to troll?

  • Vux777

    will this flag also restore user input in text box /comment if user accidentally leave page?

    “Restore contents of contenteditable elements”

  • Tomáš Pavlík

    Beautiful. Thank you, my gaming platform, Windows, is happy. :)
    My stable, lighting speed workstation, Linux, is not. :P

    • Cryio

      Maybe dev 21?

      • Tomáš Pavlík

        If Opera won’t move significantly forwards when Mozilla release her stable Australis release, i’m moving to Firefox… :/

        • pd1986

          Ive already moved to firefox, the compatibility of opera 12.16 under linux is getting worse

        • NIBB

          Try Lunascape browser, it has probably everything you need in terms of features. Just an old Gecko engine which I hope they update soon, but then you have the best of all worlds.

      • L33t4opera
  • Игорь Князев

    Guys, sorry… Is it too difficult to make one button with star icon close to buttons “forward”, “back”, “home” wich will show bookmarks instead of using the whole panel??? I really believe that it was a good idea to make the stash, but it’s unusable currently. The stash is just a trash can compared to bookmarks. Bookmarks are beforehand sorted catalogue. What’s better to search smth. in a trash can or in a calalogue? Don’t you see it? Thanks.

    • Fhury

      Amen,
      I use the chrome extension “Popup my Bookmarks”

      But Opera’s motive for handling bookmarks like they do is beyond me, It is not rocket science…

  • Vux777

    enabling off-road takes me to
    http://www.opera.com/#offRoad

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Placeholder.

      • Vux777

        looks like off-road is gonna get little more attention
        (deserved)

        but you still didn’t show us what’s the improvement in OF2

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          It is still disabled by default. Which means it is not going in to Opera 20. There will be more details on the blog when it is nearing an acceptable quality level (and we have enough servers).

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            What else could it be but more quality while maintining the compression ratio.

  • btabke

    Pinch-to-zoom and squeeze don’t seem to work on 2 different win 8 tablets I have. Opera 12.15 does. However, finger scrolling works great on 20, while it is buggy on 12.15.

  • Deus Ex Vino

    Are there any definitive statements regarding data security and possible back-doors by nsa in the used chrome-base? Opera 12 was some more european – Opera 20 rather not – are there any statements i have overlooked?
    Its hitting “20” so one expects some highlights

  • hrh_fourtyseven

    thank for update.
    why I need to login to opera sync every time I open the opera!? can I do something to sync work just as old opera?
    and when do you want to complete the sync and finalize it?

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Sync is not yet considered stable. (Which is why it is off by default and you have to play around in opera://flags to even find it.) There will be an announcement on the blog again when it is nearing a decent quality level.

  • Gabriel Castro

    Still no REAL bookmarks support?
    I want to use the Chromium version of Opera, but I also want the features that make Opera my favorite browser, and the Chromium version is lacking MANY of them.

    • Cryio

      I guess … soon is the answer?

      • Shawny_Shawn

        Something is very wrong when “soon” starts getting measured in terms of years.

  • Marko Koivuniemi

    Bug in changelog: “20.0.1387.24 – 2014-01-04 ” should be 2014-02-04 ;-)

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Corrected. Thanks for pointing it out.

  • Nekomajin42

    Can we expect 21 dev at the end of this week?

  • Cryio

    Gonna go insane today and remove Windows 8.1 x64 and try the Next build on Vista SP2 x64. Let’s see what happens.

    • Marcin Mitek

      Going back to Vista? That’s indeed crazy :D

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        Vista SP2, not so bad.

        • Cryio

          True. I was just joking for the sake of it. Vista SP2 is awesome.

  • sarah

    Does Inline installation of extensions work sure?Here I try this, and no luck. Still showing nothing the onclick=”opr.addons.installExtension(‘ccbdoklfbpcifppcfahmmpmbkfdjjccm’)”

    • http://www.opera.com/ Grzegorz Miazga

      This is what I tried:
      turn-off-the-lights and it worked fine for me on 20.0.1387.24.

  • Groingo

    Still having problems with Google Search hanging after a few searches the mouse scroll stops and must be done using the side bar….does this in all the Next and Developer series for several months now but works fine using Bing and other search engines….does the same on my Win 7 desktop and Win 8 laptop other than that Developer is my default browser because it just works and the Speed Dial has kind of grown on me.

  • Alexandre Cavaco

    Google auto-complete suggestions on address bar and search bar on speed dial page are still sent unencrypted through the network (just checked with wireshark).
    This leaks search information and is bad for privacy.
    This can (and should) be done using HTTPS. Can you enabled it?

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      I‘ll follow up on this. Thank you.

      • Alexandre Cavaco

        Daniel, do you think a fix for this could still be included this Next 20 stream?
        As Dmitry said, it looks as simple as changing default_partner_content.json (although only you can know if that has other implications).

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          It looks like this should be sorted out in time for 20 final, at least. Next and Developer will pick it up sometime before that.

          However, this will not happen for all search-providers at the same time. Should be sorted out for all search-providers soon enough.

          • Alexandre Cavaco

            Thank you :)

          • scott

            when dose 20 come out of the next channl to go to the stable channl

    • Dmitry Kirin

      That’s a good find. It affects default_partner_content.json, which we can’t edit, and custom search engines, which are created by users or imported from O12, and contain only some sites that support https. Many people have additional Wikipedia search engines in other languages, Google Translate… It’d be a good move for Opera, to make a smart upgrade of those to https.

      • Alexandre Cavaco

        At least for Google searches, it would just be changing the “suggest_url” in the default_partner_content.json from http to https.
        Seems like a simple fix for Opera

        • Dmitry Kirin

          Almost all services listed in the file now support https: Google, Wiki, eBay, booking.com, Twitter, LinkedIn, … It’s even strange that their non-ssl urls have lived in the file until now. Even standard Speed Dials like FB have been converted to https long ago.

      • Ralf Brinkmann

        “It affects default_partner_content.json, which we can’t edit”.

        Simply rename it to default_partner_content.json.original, then you have more possibilities with your search enginges.

        • Dmitry Kirin

          Wow…didn’t know that.:)

  • Chas4

    On http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/ after the restart for the update to next, it was flickering the reload button

    OS X 10.9.1

  • romath

    “Advanced settings: set width and height of speed dial thumbnails”
    Great, but how? I checked the Show Advanced Settings box, but don’t see any new list of settings, even after restart.

    • Vux777

      enter Konami code on settings page, and you will see it

      • romath

        LOL

        • Vux777

          ๏̯͡๏ ?!?

          I’m not kidding with you…try it

          • romath

            I see what they’ve done and it’s screwy: The user can set the max, but the number of columns showing depends on how wide onscreen Opera is opened to. That’s why max number instead of a straight number. This is a feature? More like how to mess with user’s heads.

          • Vux777

            number of columns also depends on how wide is your browser (full screen or restore down) and how big are your thumbnails.
            Disable “use big speed dial thumbnails” and as Ralf said, change thumb size to smaller values
            I’ve set my 190×130 with 9 columns
            http://prntscr.com/2piaf6

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            It’s very unintuitive. :/

          • romath

            I did a few times and nothing happens. I assume you mean the code over on the right of the wikipedia page.

        • Ralf Brinkmann

          You have to change the size of the speed dials first.

          • romath

            Where? I see only checking or unchecking big. As I note below, it looks like you’ve tied the number of columns to how the Opera window is sized onscreen. Why?? Depending on monitor resolution, that doesn’t solve anything for those of us with more than about five rows who don’t make Opera full screen.

          • Ralf Brinkmann

            Go to “Settings – Browser – Start page”, where you also can set the amount of columnes. Uncheck “Use big Speed Dial thumbnails” and put in the values for the size you want, for example 161 x 119.

          • romath

            Ralf, I’ve been writing because I don’t what you describe. There’s just a drop down with 2 to 9 for columns. Here’s a screenshot:
            [IMG]http://i57.tinypic.com/11jowmt.jpg[/IMG]

          • Vux777

            lets start from the beginning…
            I told you you need to enter Konami code in my first response.
            When you on settings page press keys on your keyboard
            up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-b-a
            new popop window will show and ask you do you want to enable Power user settings (not advance settings that are visible by default).
            Accept.
            …and now you have options to change speed dials size and to hide google search in Speed Dial

          • romath

            Ok, I did two things different this time and I’m not sure which, if not both, made a difference, but you didn’t mention either of them: 1) I clicked in the upper left settings area, instead of the main part of the page; and 2) I entered ‘b’ and ‘a’ not capitalized, unlike the Konami code page you linked where they are capitalized.

            The other thing is that if one is just loading these new builds to monitor development, but not following the details of them closely because they still don’t offer a fully functional browser, it’s not likely they would know about the need for the Konami code.

          • gdv

            I *think* you have to be sure and click on “Browser” (not “Websites” or “Privacy & security”) and the only (current) “power user settings” are on the “Browser” tab.

            And I *think* ‘b’ and ‘a’ have to be typed lower case (I also tried upper case my first time as it was typed that way in another thread where I first learned about it, and it didn’t work.)

          • gdv

            Once you complete the Konami code procedure mentioned by Vux777, you should see these additional “power user settings”.

  • Martin Brada

    “Menu items for Speed Dial, Discover, and Stash”

    What is it good for? Who would open SD and the other two things from the menu?

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      The hope is: users who don’t know it exists. ;-) #featurediscoverability

      • Nekomajin42

        Can you make it to occupy only one row in the menu? Something similar to the zoom in/out/reset buttons.

      • escruting

        You could also make keyboard shortcuts for a lot of things that right now don’t have any and would be very useful.

      • yrwenkuw

        How about making the speed dial menu item have a sub menu with its bookmarks and folders?

        • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

          For me SD and BM are redundant features. SD is enough.

          • Ralf Brinkmann

            After testing it for a while I agree with you.

      • Pesala

        The menu should be kept brief. Discovery and Stash are right in the users’ face with every new tab. More Tools makes no sense whether Developers Tools are enabled or not. Move all of these items to one Tools menu. The Get Extensions obviously belongs on the Extensions tab.

        [Img=https://files.myopera.com/Pesala/files/Opera%20Next%20Menu.png]

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/max1cp?feature=mhum Maxim

    Chrome cast support plz.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Oh. Interesting thought! :-)

      • John B

        Priorities first, maybe?

  • Vux777

    just a little heads up for those “I wanna M2 back” whiners ツ

    There is a new thinge from Iceland called MailPile

    It’s basically email client, made in JS, PHP…”html5″ as local app and opened in browser only!! so it behaves like integrated email reader… (I hope so)
    it doesn’t have all the features of M2, but it does have one extra… 512b encryption
    I can’t test it yet, because Win version is still not published (only for Mac and Linux)
    but there is a demo simulation on their blog

    • Chas4

      There is also this other app from Opera called Opera Mail

    • zhnujm

      Ah, thanks, i was searching for this kind of solution the whole last year.

      Webmail that runs on your local computer.
      Still needs some time to be ready.

  • Bob Kaye

    It seems this version cannot be installed on a standalone basis…the dropdown is grayed out… Is this by design or an oversight..?

    • Ralf Brinkmann

      What do you mean with “standalone basis”? USB installation? That’s what I did. Works fine. W7x64.

      • Bob Kaye

        Yes, the USB installation….I’m on Win 8.1×64….downloaded using this link…

        http://www.opera.com/download/get/?partner=www&opsys=Windows&product=Opera%20Next

        Tried downloading using three different versions of Opera and also IE (not sure what I thought this would accomplish) and in all attempts the dropdown was grayed out when I ran the installation…

        Strange…!

        • Ralf Brinkmann

          Have you tried this link: http://get.geo.opera.com/ftp/pub/opera-next/20.0.1387.24/ ?

          Then, during the installation, you can go into “options” and set it to usb installation.

          • Bob Kaye

            Downloaded the 20.xxxxx.setup.exe file from the ftp site, but still no luck….could not dropdown the combobox to select the USB install….changing the path did not enable the combobox…

            never had this problem before…

          • Ralf Brinkmann

            Very strange. Have you tried to install it over an already existing usb version (from an older installation)? You simply need to select the path. Finally: Have you tried to restart your computer?

          • Bob Kaye

            My current Opera 20 version is a USB install….I didn’t try just changing the path to that install and clicking GO….I assumed that doing it this way would create a whole new install with registry entries, multiple app folders, etc…If you tell me that won’t happen, I’ll try it….

            I’ll also re-start to see if it helps….(stranger things have happened)…

          • Bob Kaye

            My current version of Opera Developer is a USB install….I never thought to change the path and install a new version on top without selecting USB….I had figured that doing this would create a normal install with Registry entries, multiple folders, etc…which I don’t want…..if you tell that won’t happen, then I’ll try it….re-starting didn’t make a difference…

          • Bob Kaye

            My current version of Opera Developer is a USB install….I never thought to install a new version on top without selecting a USB install….my thinking was that doing it that way would create a new install with Registry entries, multiple folders, etc …which is what I don’t want….If you tell me that won’t happen, I’ll try it…

            Restarting didn’t change a thing….

          • Ralf Brinkmann

            I think there is something out of order with your computer, because you sent your comment/answer three times.

            What I did: I saved my complete Opera folder (with Opera 20 Dev) to another partition (or hd) and then started the installation of Opera 20 Next. At the beginning I went to the options menu and selected the existing Opera 20 dev folder and the usb installation style. That was all.

          • Bob Kaye

            There must be a delay before a message is posted….I could never find the first reply which is what led to the second reply, etc…

            I apologize…I’m not making myself clear re the problem….After the install program unpacks, I’m presented with a window. The window has an Options button which when clicked displays a dialog box. The dialog displays a dropdown(combobox) which is supposed to allow me to select the type of installation I want (One User, All Users or USB) and a textbox which will allow me to select the path in which to install it. For me, the dropdown (combobox) which is supposed to let me to select the type of installation is disabled…it’s grayed out and I can’t drop it down to select USB…

            Maybe I’ll sit this version out and wait for the next one and hope it works for me…if not, I’ll have to give up on the USB install.

          • Ralf Brinkmann

            Everything you decribed is the same here, except I can select which kind of installation I want and which path. Did you restart your computer by accident with another user profile with less rights? Maybe you are not allowed things like this? Sorra, I don’t know another solution at this moment.

          • Bob Kaye

            “Tis a puzzlement”…..there’s only one user profile set-up…me, and I’m an Administrator…..something must have changed on my PC…

            Ralf, thanks very much….appreciate your trying to help….I guess I’ll have to live without the USB install….

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Did you change the installation path?

      • Bob Kaye

        Yes tried it, but combobox remains disabled….

        • Leonardo Gomes

          So when you change the install path on the installer, nothing happens? It does not enable the option to choose the install mode?

          • Bob Kaye

            Correct….I’ve been using USB mode on just about everything since Opera 12.xx and never had this problem…

          • Leonardo Gomes

            That’s strange. It happens with all Opera streams?

          • Bob Kaye

            No, it has never happened before….this is a first…

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Which installer are you using?

          • Bob Kaye

            Not sure what installer, but it’s the one included in the file downloaded when using this link from the DeskTop Team Blog above…

            Opera Next for Windows (offline)

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Hmm, I’ve just installed Next in USB/Stand Alone mode using that installer. Then i ran the installer again and was able to choose the install mode without problems.

            Have you tried downloading the installer again?

          • Bob Kaye

            Multiple times….also running into same problem with Opera 19.xxxxxx….something must have changed on my PC…

            I guess I’m going to have to live without the USB option….thanks very much for your help…..

    • gdv

      FWIW, the standalone option in the Opera_Next_20.0.1387.24_Setup.exe installer (linked above) works for me on Win7 Home Premium (although I haven’t yet installed it).

      Here’s an idea that may be completely bogus, but possibly worth checking: Have you by any chance set (one of) your existing standalone Opera installation(s) to be your default browser?

      IIRC, the one limitation with Opera 12 (and earlier) standalone installations was that the standalone installation could NOT be set as the default browser. However, I notice right now on the settings page of my own OpDev 20 standalone installation that there is an option to make Opera the default browser (an option that probably shouldn’t exist in a true standalone installation, and not an option I want to try on my own OpDev 20 standalone).

      Choosing that option (if it actually works) presumably changes at least one Windows registry key, which *might* (???) interact with the new installer in a way that grays out the installation type option. (Doesn’t seem like it should if the installer is coded properly, but I’m just guessing it could.)

      If you think there’s anything to this idea, you might try changing your default browser back to IE, then try installing Opera standalone again.

      [There used to be other quirky installation problems that seemed to crop up at times around certain registry keys, but these normally wouldn't be written to in an Opera 12 standalone installation (and shouldn't if it's a true standalone). But if a registry key gets (incorrectly?) changed by choosing Opera 20 standalone as the default browser and then interacts improperly with Opera installers...??? Just thought it might be worth checking...]

      • Bob Kaye

        That was a good thought as I had recently changed the default browser from O12.xxxx to the latest O19.xxxx. Changed it back to O12, but unfortunately it didn’t impact the installer….the Installation Type dropdown is still disabled…

        For kicks I searched the registry on Opera 20 and/or Opera Developer…other than hits on MUI and MUR type keys, nothing interesting showed up…

        Fortunately this is not a killer problem for me…the USB installation really just keeps the registry clean and allows for an easy ‘uninstall’….and if necessary, I can do the clean-up manually…

        In any case, thanks for the suggestion…..I’m open to any more you might have….

        • gdv

          Notice I suggested changing your default browser back to Internet Explorer (not Op12), as I think that should get Win8 back to its original default browser state. Then try installing Op20 as standalone. Of course if it works, you could then change default browser back to Op20, but might have to go through the same rigamarole with next Opera standalone installation.

          (BTW, were you able to select Op12 *standalone* as default browser? [I ask because as I mentioned above, I thought I had recalled that was not possible with standalone Op12 installations.]

          Like you, I also did a registry scan for my OpDev20 standalone installation before my previous post, and didn’t find anything relevant.

          Another thought I just had is that you might try running the installer elevated. [I notice you're already working from an Admin account, but on Win7 some installers (and executables) still have to be run elevated from an Admin account to work properly...I assume the same might be true with Win8 (?)]

          Another possibility along these same lines would be to try rebooting to Safe Mode and running the installer from there. And finally, try tracking down the key(s) that control the default browser setting and verify that the permissions on that/those key(s) are correct.

          • Bob Kaye

            Believe it or not, I was able to do a USB install on the new Opera 21….the Installation Type dropdown was no longer disabled….as far as I know, no changes to my system, tho there might have been an MS monthly patch install…

            Go figure….

  • MartinezZ

    Och… where still are Ctrl+B for Paste&Go, Ctrl+Z for open previous closed tab? How can i set automatically hiding bookmarks bar and show that only when I click into address bar? Where mouse stroke for duplicating tab? Where is picture informations via context menu button? Where is thumbnails for tabs when I increase size of tab bar? Why is during private browsing opened new window instead I have one private tab? Where is exactly usable bookmarks – on bookmarks tab I must have only a few links/buttons. How can I set bars on side of browser? God damned, How can I set show FULL URL in in address field without disappearing and lame highlighting?

    Its 5 versions from Opera 15 and still is only some “fork” of Chrome. So sad for Opera, so sad for Internet, so sad for IT history.

  • MartinezZ

    How can I set:
    – Ctrl+B keystroke for Paste&Go?
    – Ctrl+Z for open previous closed tab?
    – Where is button with closed tabs history?
    – Automatically hiding bookmarks bar and show that only when I click into address bar?
    – Mouse stroke for duplicating tab?
    – Bars on side of browser?
    – FULL URL in in address field without disappearing and lame highlighting?

    And where is:
    – Picture informations via context menu button?
    – Thumbnails for tabs when I increase size of tab bar?
    – Usable bookmarks – on bookmarks tab I must have only a few links/buttons.

    And also why:
    – is during private browsing opened new window instead I have one private tab?

    And finally – where is editable everything? Where is Opera?

    • naranj

      the moderators are deleting helpful posts all day.. it’s a pity.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      There are no private tabs. Private windows are used instead to clearly separate the normal and private context.

      • Nekomajin42

        Is it the only reason?

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          Well, technical reasons too. However, many struggled with keeping the two contexts separate in the same window. The visuals were too similar.

          • Nekomajin42

            Is the engine capable of running normal and private tabs in the same window?
            I agree, it can be confusing for lots of users, but there is a simple solution: make it a power-user feature.
            I don’t know how others use private tabs, but I often use it to quick login to a service with different account, or check sharing links. If I would want to browse private, a private window would be good. But if I want to check something, it is really uncomfortable to open a new window.

          • guest6768

            many struggled with keeping the two contexts separate in the same window.

            Nonsense… with a good extension like grouping similar tabs everything is sorted. But you are so stubborn and don’t want to listen to anything.

          • http://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

            That’s no reason…
            You could e.g. make private tabs light font on dark background…

          • guest6768

            That’s right. I hate poor excuses… either say the truth or don’t tell at all… jeez.

      • Cqoicebordel

        Wait. Are you trying to find the upside of not having a feature ?
        It was awesome that Opera was the only browser able to handle not only the private window but also the private tab. And now you are saying that it’s better to have less possibility ?

      • http://www.gamenode.cz/ Martin Procházka

        Let user decide what HE wants to use, private windows or tabs …

      • Emanuele

        I’m wondering how much stupid could be the average user you’re targeting with the new Opera O_o …. I’m seriously thinking that maybe the best solution to solve its problems with technologies isn’t giving him stuff like the new “dumb browser”, but keep him away from anything tech-related…

      • http://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

        I tolerated this since I thought it’s a temporary solution until proper private tabs get implemented. But you wanna tell me you intend to keep this cumbersome behavior?

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        We know that, we want to know if there will be in the future.

        We us some hope.

      • Cryio

        The question is, why? The previous mode, where the private tab kept the private icon as favicon was the perfect implementation IMO.

        There is a lot of hassle with two different windows when there can be only one.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Keyboard shortcuts cannot be customized yet. If you take a look in Chromium, it would look promising for a feature that could be added later.

      • ryofurue

        To me, customizable keyboard shortcuts are a must. It’s as if my fingers move on their own, without my brain intervention :-) That means, it’s almost impossible for me to use any application on which you input text as I’m doing right now, if I cannot customize keyboard shortcuts used when inputing text (such as deleting a line, deleting a character, moving the text cursor leftward, etc.).

        O12 has a unix-keyboard shortcut set, Firefox has an addon for that very purpose, and Safari on Mac uses a standard unix shortcut set by default (which is surprising to me, by the way). Chrome doesn’t allow shortcut customization, so I cannot use it. (I sometimes do use it, and each time, it drives me crazy when I started to type something on it.)

        If you cannot imagine how it feels, imagine driving a car whose brake and accelerator pedals are swapped. :-) Those limb motions are so ingrained in your body.

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          We have to sort out the basics before adding customization. For example, it is not until Opera 21 that Mac will gain full keyboard support (!) for websites like Google Docs. When all the pieces are in place, more complex features and customization is added.

          I think the super-polished user-interface of Opera 15+ gives everyone a false impression that we are fully done underneath the hood too.

          Hope this helps shed some light on why things can appear to be moving slowly.

          • Vux777

            any chance we get 21 by the end of the week?

          • ryofurue

            I think the super-polished user-interface of Opera 15+ gives everyone a
            false impression that we are fully done underneath the hood too.That’s a very good point, Daniel. Indeed O15+ looks super polished. Thanks for your response.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Sidebar, image resource information, and tab behavior altering extensions can be found at https://addons.opera.com/extensions/

      • Vux777

        there is no sidebar Opera extension…

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          Really? Then there ought to be some.

          The only panels from Opera 12 that could not be done as extensions is the page security information panel. However, I do think all the others could be done using the existing extension APIs.

          • Vux777

            not in old Opera functionality…
            Sidebar must be injected, that automatically limits its usage on SD, delayed until page is loaded, Chromiums can’t split page (so it must be overlay)…etc
            Extensions can’t bring Opera sidebar functionality. You should seriously consider to implement it, maybe with some API, so users then can write extensions for it (bookmarks, notes, downloads, history…)

          • x a

            Seconded.

            It’s known there have been chrome.sidebar implementation trials, but at that time, they [read: participants of discussions in the vicinity of developer.chrome.com/extensions/] wanted to wait and invent a more general approach. No news since then, though. – Do it the opr.*-way then…

          • Cryio

            Would really like to see them then. Even eventually.

      • guest6768

        There is no tab grouping extension.

        • L33t4opera

          There’s the “Tab Team” extension – it’s not “holy grall”, but it just works, it only needs a bit more stability in some cases.

          • guest6768

            uhm.. yeah… for Chrome? How about something from Opera direct addons.opera.com/en/extensions/

      • MartinezZ

        Nice. But it still not answer to last question: Where is Opera?

  • guest6768

    * Make the M2 mail client integratable to the browser as a separate add-on for those that want it. It could be a nice icon next to the Discovery. Think about how awesome that would be.

    *Are you going to do something about stacking tabs, grouping them etc? How about the stash are you going to improve it for session managing? Adding content-relevant links to Folders like in Speed Dial.

    *My other comments concerning usability and ergonomy http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/01/372/#comment-1229182591

  • naranj
  • oic

    I still like to be able to drag speed dial folders to bookmark bar

  • http://byazrov.ru/ Russian Photographer

    side bar is expected no earlier than 150th version?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      I don’t recall any comments from the developers regarding the addition of a side bar, so there is a chance that it may never comes.

      However they are/were looking into a form to take advantage of the widescreen monitors, so some side UI may come in the future.

      • http://byazrov.ru/ Russian Photographer

        So when Opera 12 will stop working eventually, there are IE and Firefox who still care about users comfort.

      • Emanuele

        In this discussion BK was talking about something sidebar-related… I’m wondering if he dropped all the stuff after that discussion

        • Vux777

          I also remember that Blazej was mentioning something sidebar related, leaving the possibility that it might be implemented, but it was long time ago (last summer)

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Well, a side UI may not necessarily be a side bar, but it may be only a matter of semantics. :-)

          BK’s comment sounded to me more of a “ok, i’ll take it into debate internally and we may add that feature in the future” than a “we are doing/will do it”.

          • Emanuele

            Yes, I know, but I was replying to this:

            I don’t recall any comments from the developers regarding the addition of a side bar

  • Xiwiipe

    Hi!
    I updated the Opera Next to its new version this afternoon, but all “speed dial”, “stash” and “discover” just disapear… only the relative buttons and the search button remains on the “start up” tab! :(
    Any idea why or how can I solve it?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Did you upgrade from an older Opera 19 Next? If so, the update ran without problems, no error messages, etc?

      • Xiwiipe

        yes. I’m not sure if it was the last build, but I think so. It was an auto update and I didn’t have any error message.
        And the program is running normally except for the speed dial tab.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Do you have those SD and Stash on other Opera stream builds?

          • Xiwiipe

            I have the opera developer, but it has other information save.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Hmm, ok. I would suggest to use sync but i think it wouldn’t help in this case.

    • alex_shpak

      Few questions to help us understand the issue and narrow it down:
      * if you open opera:about page, how does “Profile” Path look? Is it something unusual?

      * do you have at least partner speed dials? Or no speed dials at all, only “plus” button?
      * what about browser history, themes, extensions? Are they still here or does it look like “clean” installation of Opera?

      • Xiwiipe

        sorry… a “little” long…
        And thanks in advance :)

        No paths are correct, at least I open it and the files look usually. (installation, roaming and local, all open copying the path to the run cmd, all for the next version and not developer)

        No partner speed dial, no “plus” button, if I add a speed dial in the address bar it doesn’t show (but it seams to memorise when I open it again the icon shows in red and also the old ones are in red). The only thing that shows is the 3 top buttons on top (SD, stash and discover) if I click on them it goes throw then because the shadow of the buttons change, the search button on top right only shows if it is in SD or Stash and the right click menu changes as well

        If I right click I have the menu, if I choose “add speed dial” it doesn’t change anything, if I choose it goes to the extension tab and if I choose “change theme” it goes to the Themes tab, so everything seems ok, except the content of SD, stash and discover.

        The extensions and history are ok, the themes I think I just had the default ones.

        Last minute “news” if I open the stash and discover from the opera button it opens correctly, the speed dial continues blank. (I just realize it when going to open the history)

        • alex_shpak

          That’s interesting information! We would like to reproduce and fix it, but I honestly don’t know why it happens. Let’s try this:
          1. When on Speed Dial, press Ctrl+Shift+I (Cmd+Alt+I if you’re on Mac) to open Web Inspector.
          2. In Web Inspector, go to last tab (Console) and look for any error (red text). If there is any, please copy as much of it as you can (sometimes you can expand it)

          After that, let’s see if it’s related to your profile or not:
          1. Find the profile folder you were checking previously
          2. Close Opera
          3. Rename the profile folder to something else (say, rename “Opera Next” to “Opera Next problem”)
          4. Start Opera again — it won’t see your old profile so will think it’s a “clean” installation
          5. Check if the issue is still there
          6. Close Opera
          7. You’ll see that Opera created “Opera Next” folder for the new profile. Since you didn’t do anything there, just delete that folder and rename your old profile (“Opera Next problem”) back to its original name.

          If on step 5 you noticed that the issue disappeared — then it might mean that the root for the issue is somewhere in your profile. In that case I might ask you to send us some files from your profile. Is it okay for you?

          • Xiwiipe

            I think I reply today the same information as yesterday, sorry I was just not having it on my side so I thought I didn’t post it…

            The console information shown in console is just:
            “Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL”

            For what I was able to debug it seems to come from the file “” the return of the next function:

            ” this.setup = function()

            {

            var view_container = document.querySelector(“.view[data-view-id="speeddial"]“);

            var is_inactive = window.historyState.get(“selected_view”) != SPEEDDIAL;

            view_container.replace_with_tmpl(window.templates.speeddial_view(is_inactive));

            _searchBoxContainer = document.querySelector(‘.web-search-container’);

            var hideSearchBox = window.preferences[SPEEDDIAL_HIDE_SEARCH_BOX];

            _handle_hide_search_box_changed(hideSearchBox);

            window.favorites.getFavorites();
            !!!THE ERROR OCCURS HERE!!!
            };

            Following the other steps you said in step 5 I didn’t have any problem with the clean profile. I decide to try in this new profile to copy the “favorites.db” file from my opera next version and my opera developer version and with the first one I had the same problem and no problem with the version from the developer one. So I suppose it can be in this file, that’s where it’s saved the speed dials.

            There is no problem to me in send you the files.

            Thanks

          • alex_shpak

            hm, maybe one of your Speed Dial items has some weird characters in its URL, causing the javascript side to fail? If it’s not a problem for you, could you please send me your favorites.db file so I could look at your Speed Dial items and find the one which is causing the issue? My email address is alekseis [at] opera.com. Thanks in advance!

          • Xiwiipe

            No problem.

            I will send it to you.

            Thank you very much!

      • Xiwiipe

        Hi!

        Thanks in advance and sorry for the little long reply…

        The profile and the other paths are correct. Nothing unusually.

        When I open the SP there is just the buttons of SD, stash and discover on top and the search button on top right. No partner SD’s, no “plus” button if I add a SD from the address bar or if I click “add a SD” from the right click menu nothing changes. I can go to the stash and discover from the SD, and these both pages are still not showing anything.

        However if I open a page that I had on the SD’s the the SD short cut on the address bar shows red, so the SD information is not lost. If I add a new SD by clicking in that short cut, next time I open it, it shows red, so it keeps updating the SD info.

        If I open the stash page or the discover page from the opera menu buttons they open correctly showing the information. But if I go from these pages to SD it shows nothing but changing back it keeps showing the stash and discover information.

        History and extensions are ok, the themes I just had the default ones, so… but I can change it so I suppose it’s ok also.

        if u read it this far thanks again :D

  • Андрей

    Интересно, сколько они еще “столетий” будут допиливать синхронизацию…
    Поменяли две строчки в коде – и уже выпускают новую версию.
    Нововведений – 0.

  • Dmitry Kirin

    This build terminates with an application error every time I launch it with my set of command line switches. Since long ago, I’ve got shortcuts for Dev, Next, and Stable modified like this,
    "C:Program FilesOpera Nextlauncher.exe" --disk-cache-dir=X: --disk-cache-size=160000000 --enable-smooth-scrolling
    Without the switches, this build terminates successfully. With them, a standard application error message appears. Opera processes are all terminated in the end. It does not matter if the cache folders are empty or filled with cache content of this or any other stream.

  • Dmitry Kirin

    Improved stash screenshots – goodbye blurry images!

    I’d rather have no Stash thumbnail images stored at all and no necessity to rebuild them during the sync…

  • oic

    possible bug? I noticed I couldn’t drag the tab to bookmark bar if its the only tab open

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Uhm. I see what you are saying. This would be very tricky to achieve. It would clash with the tear-off-tab-to-create-a-new-window feature.

  • gdv

    Already said it once ( http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/01/372/#comment-1229970269 ) but it bears repeating:

    THANK YOU to all the developers for including (beginning with changelog20) the release date and the hyperlink to the blog post for each new release next to the version number in the changelog ( http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/changelog20/ ) !!!

    • Marcin Mitek

      You are welcome :)

      • Cryio

        Indeed truly welcome. It reminds me of summer 2012 when you posted the changelog of the updated beta of 12.10. It took a while to scroll through. So awesome.

      • gdv

        [quote Marcin Mitek: "I'll try not to forget (and I'm sticking post-it note to my screen right now) :)"] ( http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/12/another-opera-18-stable-update/#comment-1171311500 )

        Those Post-it notes are a wonderful invention, aren’t they!

        Thanks! :)

        But now the title for this page has been changed to exclude the version number.

        …Previously it was “Opera Next 20.0.1387.24 for the Cognoscenti”

        …Now it is “Opera Next Twenty, for the Cognoscenti”

        A step backwards IMO, as I have been requesting that the version number always be included in the post title announcing each new release, so the number can be easily viewed on the blog home page, and easily linked to the relevant portion of the changelog.

        I think the best format would be to always put the number in parentheses after the title, e.g.:

        “Opera Next Twenty, for the Cognoscenti (20.0.1387.24)”

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          We make exceptions for major version changes. (Such as Next moving from 19 to 20 or Developer 20 to 21.) To more clearly separate these out.

          • gdv

            Thanks for replying Daniel :)

            I wondered if that might be the intention. And if the only exceptions were for major version changes that might work (sort of). But that hasn’t been a consistent practice, at least with follow-up releases after a major version change (see following):
            http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/02/small-update-opera-19/
            http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/01/o19-auto-update-is-back/
            http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/12/opera-18-stable-update/

            It appears more that the practice has been to leave version numbers out of the blog post headings, both for major version channel changes and for many/most additional releases after a major version reaches the Stable channel (two recent exceptions, or perhaps changes in practice): http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/12/another-opera-18-stable-update/ and http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/02/19-stable-update/ ). So that doesn’t “clearly separate” anything out, and also makes it impossible to check specific version numbers simply by visually scanning the blog homepage. FWIW (IMO) a release *number* will ALWAYS “clearly separate these out.”

            And with the confusion earlier when an Opera 18 Stable release or two (without version number specified in blog post) were also left out of or mislabeled in the Opera 18 changelog (see exchange beginning at http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/12/another-opera-18-stable-update/#comment-1167179095 ), it just seems that *EVERY* release should be specified in the blog post title. (This also makes it easier to clear up the occasional mislabeling that inevitably will occur:

            Of course, that potential confusion is alleviated substantially by the inclusion of release dates and blog post links in the changelong, as is now being done for Opera 20 ( http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/changelog20/ ) [YAYYYY !!! :D], but the ability to quickly scan for release numbers on the blog homepage can only be accomplished by including the numbers in the blog post titles.

            All that being said, if the Desktop Team all prefer to leave version numbers out of major release channel changes [for the aesthetic distinction ;-)], I could “live” with that as long as all other releases before *and after* a major version channel change were explicitly numbered in the blog post title. :)

          • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

            I’ll go and give the authors who wrote the offending titles a small slap from you. :-)

  • hrh_fourtyseven

    oh my god!
    all of the proxy extensions of chrome now work on opera!
    proxy api is fantastic
    now the only thing that I need to jump from 12.16 to new opera is sync

  • fliker

    I found a bug. If I open a bookmarks menu and it does not fit on the screen it automatically scroll down and I cannot open bookmarks which are on the top.

    • IllusionMH

      Looks like that this is same problem as with Recently closed menu.

      • fliker

        Yes, now I see that this is the same problem.

        • Marcin Mitek

          This is being tracked as DNA-16118

          • IllusionMH

            Thanks!

  • gdv

    Is it possible to install Opera Next 20.0.1387.24 as a standalone installation directly over my existing OpDev20 installation (i.e., in the same USB drive folder) while preserving my existing OpDev20 profile (SpeedDial, history, extensions, session.db, etc)?

    …or to migrate the existing OpDev20 profile to a new standalone Opera Next folder? (e.g., can the existing profiledata folder just be copied or moved to a new standalone Opera Next folder?)

    If so, what is the quickest and/or best way to do so?

    • Dmitry Kirin

      There seem to be no ‘official’ tool for importing profile and its parts.
      Theoretically, you can copy database files, taking the risk of incompatibility of schemes between versions. I’ve done this a number of times, without any adverse effect so far, and only with ‘simple’ databases that I know, like stash.db, favorites.db (Speed Dials), Favicons, History, etc. I didn’t try transferring extensions and global config (Preferences and Local State), to avoid major incompatibilities.

      • gdv

        @Dmitry Kirin

        “…risk of incompatibility of schemes between versions…”

        Yeah, I figured that might be the main issue. If there is no ‘official’ tool/procedure, and no one knows for sure, it’s at least nice to hear from someone with some “trial-and-error” experience.

        For many years and numerous versions (9.27 through 12.16) there were no compatibility problems copying the main profile features I wanted between versions (bookmarks, sessions, and even most skins, toolbars, buttons, etc.), but I haven’t yet tried any of that with Opera 15+

        Thanks!

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      I would say install like usual in a different folder and then just copy/transfer your profile.

      As it is the same version you shouldn’t encounter no issues.

      • gdv

        @Hector Macias Ayala
        “As it is the same version you shouldn’t encounter no issues”

        Thanks! Good point, with the question as I worded it (OpDev20 to OpNext20).

        I guess was also vaguely thinking about upgrading an Opera 17 and/or Opera 19 standalone installation when I asked, & I suppose that might be more likely to encounter any incompatibility issues that might exist.

        [With Opera 12 and earlier it was very easy to check the format of the text-based profile files to verify compatibility, but these new 'SQLite format 3' DB files aren't so human-reader friendly. I don't have any SQLite experience but I've wondered if it might be possible to manually compare formats across versions or even manually edit DB files with Opera offline (e.g., session.db or favorites.db with an SQLite DB manager of some kind.]

  • nanana2

    Why Opera always, I said ALWAIS shows screnshots of your posts(publicity,divulgation)using
    the version for MAC computers? Some prejudice against Windows, which is
    used by most people? Is Mac more “elegante and stylish’? Screenshots of Linux so…:-(

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      In this instance, because the relevant UI is only used on a Mac. There is no Disk image on Windows to give a new background to. For Windows-only features—like the network installer—a screenshot from Windows were used.

      In other cases, it is usually because I prepare the screenshots just before we publish. As the lead QA on Mac, it is natural that it ends up being a screenshot from Mac. ;-)

      • https://plus.google.com/+PauloPasegros pasegros

        It makes sense that explanation. Now I understood, thank you Daniel.

      • nanana2

        Thank you for the explanation.

  • operabrowser021

    Reload image using context menu.in Country such as Iran Images Not Load.please add Reload Image to context menu

  • romath

    Since I don’t see any place on the Settings page to put in SD thumbnail dimensions (see screenshot in other post), I used zoom. I like that the SD can be zoomed independent of other pages. It would be better, however, if adjustments could be made in 5% intervals, rather than 100% to 90% to 75%. I like the size of the thumbnails in the latter, but that zoom leaves their editing boxes too small to be read easily.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      SD page is the only place where context menu and item edit popup never obeyed the HiDPI standards, even when HiDPI did work. I hope they will eventually fix that, maybe with the long-awaited SD customisation features.

  • naranj

    ¿Why the high consumption and 14 processes?

    • Dmitry Kirin
      • nanana2

        Is this architecture really effective? The last time that a tab of my Chrome crashed, Chrome crashed entirely. I had to close it by task manager. This also happened with you?

        • Dmitry Kirin

          Well…it’s intended to be. Whether this multiprocess architecture is good, fast, or reliable in any special way, I myself haven’t really felt. :) If I was more of a web programmer, maybe I’d say otherwise, just maybe. I’ve had a few times when the application was responsive but tabs were completely hung up until the application was restarted. A few times Opera didn’t start simply because it hadn’t actually finish: there was no GUI visible, but some processes stayed. Then I’d kill one of them from the Task Manager, yes.

          • nanana2

            “Whether this multiprocess architecture is good, fast, or reliable in any special way, I myself haven’t really felt.”(2)”…tabs were completely hung up until the application was restarted”. Interesting…even with stable versions?

          • Dmitry Kirin

            Um…no, that was Developer or Next.
            I guess Chromium architecture is rather OK with my RAM and a small number of tabs. Maybe it’s because of this architecture that I don’t feel any significant fault.

          • nanana2

            Indeed, people with computers or notebooks with 2 gigs of ram or less are having problems. My computer has 8 gigs, so I also have no problems for my daily use.

  • Michal

    Hi, I am using Opera Next, currently that is the version 20. It works fine, of course I am missing bookmarks as they were in Opera 12 (that is cool solution, missed very much in Opera 20). Opera 20 for Linux is also missing, but can you add open Microsoft Documents in f. ex. MS Word or Excel. Right now they are open only in browser.

  • gbsgb

    Please focus on bringing back presto features right now, like integrated emails, by site preferences and etc..
    Nobody cares about Mac’s disk image design and all other visual changes. lol

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Integrade e-mail has very few, to not say none, chances of coming back.

      There seem to be a flag regading site preferences, so it may come back in the future.

      But note that you can already set up some settings in a per site basis, like plugins, cookies, javascript, etc.

  • Dark Magician

    Speed Dial thumbnails should be adjusted buy the slider and setting options from SD, so you can see what are you doing like in Presto era.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      You mean that slider that used to be in the status bar?

      But there’s no status bar anymore!!

      Official explanation was those features were far too advanced and only complicated user experience.

      • Vux777

        he’s talking about this slider in Opera Presto Speed dial
        http://prntscr.com/2pqmen

        • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

          Yep, or a slider similar to the one they have in Stash could be used coupled with column number setting somewhere.

          • Dark Magician

            Exactly what I meant.

  • BGXi

    DragonFly Not found????
    CTRL+Z open last close tab Not work!!!
    Bookmark Not work and where???
    F4 Panel Not work!!
    Links Not work!!
    Notes Not work!!
    Change tabs panel to Bottom Not work!!

    IT NO OPERA!!!!

    IT copyfail from Chrome…..

    P.S. In tab About – NOT link to site for manual download install???? %-
    I strong user and developer web. My main Browser for Work and Developer OPERA.

    IT NO OPERA. It fake whith name OPERA. it CHROhera

  • Pete

    Password manager seems broken. It won’t insert the password on certain sites for me and if I’m managing the passwords, pressing the “show” button for a certain username/password combination won’t do anything.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      For the second issue, try enable opera://flags/#password-manager-reauthentication .

      • Pete

        Well, it works. Although it doesn’t prompt me for anything… thanks!

        • Vux777

          delete cookies and already existing passwords for those sites and then visit them and insert login and pass … that usually helps in my case

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Afaik, it’s because of a bug.

  • Harsh Kothari

    Y u dnt care about Linux ??

  • Dave

    I have been Using NEXT for quite a few time, but this last update broke my browser. The extensions stopped working and I had to disable them all, sometimes the pages load and then got stucked, other times they basically don’t load.

    I can surf the net for 10 minutes without problem but it ends out hangs up and I have to close and open again :(

    Does any1 experience the same problems?

    • Dave

      Uninstalled, restart PC and reinstall the browser and the extensions…

      Seems to be working now :)

  • justSQL

    http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/changelog21/ already exists ;)

    Are you guys doing stuff for the Chromium a lot yourselves? I saw someone from @Opera push some changes to Chromium (message in Irc)

  • yoxinaloa

    You guys are working hard in Mac version, huh? Meanwhile in Linux:
    nothing. I have been a user of Opera at least from 6-7 years ago. Now, I
    change Opera by Firefox. Thank you, guys.

    • justSQL

      I believe Linux is *close* to completion. Within 3 months trust me.

  • Vux777

    from last couple of builds, Opera (every channel) is creating those files from SS
    Those are from yesterday fresh install
    in couple of days there will be 50-60 of them
    I’ve been writing about this last week but no official explanation what are they
    I have USB install on RamDisk, Win7 x64
    (they are somehow related to installed extensions, not all of them)
    http://prntscr.com/2ppty1

    • x a

      I came to the conclusion, that these files contain the user survey data (”…help to improve Opera by sending feature usage information…“).

      • Vux777

        I disabled that feature upon install, and also in settings

    • Leonardo Gomes

      I only see one – per stream/channel folder – here,

      • Vux777

        well, what can I say…. I’m special ツ

  • Felipe

    When opera will stop being a bad clone of chrome and become opera again? When will i have my bookmarks button that can be put where i want and irc embedded within opera like here? http://www.freeimagehosting.net/3h5it Yes, i STILL use opera 12.16, i wont say to stop the development of Opera Chrome but you could at least update the opera 12 to use updated extensions like on opera 20, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON would criticize you for developing for Presto and Chromium Engines.

    • http://mikanoshi.name/ Mikanoshi Kimemoshito

      12.16 FTW! Seriously, I have 150 tabs opened there and it’s super fast (eats about 3GB of RAM but that’s expected. I bet Chropera would just crash handling so many opened pages).
      Need tab stacking! Need subfolders in bookmarks! Need custom toolbars! Themes! Was waiting for at least something interesting in 15-20 releases, but there was nothing. Me sad.

  • My name is ….

    This whole new Opera sux.
    No bookmarks sidebar (I have 1000 bookmarks in there … do you really think that you can just add a small bar and pretent it is ok?)
    No native adblock like old Opera (AdBlock extension is stupid, it just hides stuff and it takes bandwidth. Native adblock should block it all and prevent downloading)

    • Dmitry Kirin

      I suggest using firewall for blocking the parasite traffic.

      Some time before Opera went Chromium way, I moved my black list of urls to firewall. I don’t remember clearly what exactly had triggered that decision. Possibly it was ad blocking for all browsers and virtual machines. I never regretted the move. Anyway, the firewall is always on on my PC, and filtering web traffic is its natural ability. “Let each program do just one task, but do it well.”
      No insistence meant, just my personal experience.

      • John B

        Sometimes I want to block a third-party cookie domain in my main browser only but have it enabled in another browser that where I need tracking to be in place (think cashback sites tracking, etc.). Firewall is a one-stop shot solution and therefore isn’t flexible in this regard.

    • https://plus.google.com/+PauloPasegros pasegros

      If you have 1000 bookmarks really really is a big problem putting them into the new Opera, since Opera is now for common/ordinary users such as grandmothers, moms, etc. They do not even use markers, nor know what it is. Try put yours 1000 bookmarks into QAB. ;-)

      • guest6768

        It’s funny how Chropera, which is indeed designed for those users exactly, does not have a zoom slider like in O12. How on earth will people over 50+ with no experience (reminder: your current target) be able to zoom in on a webpage with small letters? Devs have probably forgotten, that in a desktop environment you can’t zoom in and out with the 2 fingers like in mobile phones… Of course they give you the same mobile version for you to enjoy……

  • Паша

    Get bookmark’s description back! And bookmarks search! =)

    • Vux777

      …and bookmarks :)

  • Michael Maier

    Real live:
    She: My desktop with XP is done.
    What about Linux as OS?
    I: No problem if you have a modern browser.
    She: Ok, then there isn’t a problem. I’ve Opera.
    I: Opera, why Opera?
    She: You decided to use Opera some years ago.
    I: Opera is out of date. Use Chrome.
    Have I done any fault?

    • DD64

      Yes, there are better browsers than Chrome

      • Michael Maier

        Opera?

    • Vux777

      yes, many grammar mistakes ツ
      and recommending Chrome…c’mon

      • Michael Maier

        You won a price for remarking my grammar mistakes, but doesn’t show a wayout of my Opera-Linux-Desaster.

        • Vux777

          Thank You! I really appreciate it ツ
          (btw. there’s another one)

          about O-L-disaster
          well… tell her to use Win, like any other normal girl out there
          … ouch
          flame wars in 3…2…1

          • Michael Maier

            ‘Tell her’ is a good beginning … are you Putins cringer? … or hungarian?

          • Vux777

            why would I be Putin’s cringer…or Hungarian?
            because I wrote “tell her” ? ๏̯͡๏

          • https://plus.google.com/+PauloPasegros pasegros

            What the hell? If I don’t like Windows and if Opera 12 is outdated and insecure to browser, and if you say post above don’t like Chrome? Maybe Firefox? Or maybe I browse with Notepad…http://lavacaballero.deviantart.com/art/Trolled-Tux-209486978

      • https://plus.google.com/+PauloPasegros pasegros

        Not everyone has money to buy a OS, people who live in very poor countries, but Linux is free. Everyone knows that Opera 12 and its extensions is outdated, then what browser for Linux do you suggest?

        • Vux777

          none… WinOS is most pirated software ๏̯͡๏ so…
          http://mgftw.com/images/smilies/trollface.png

          kidding, just kidding….
          btw. in post you replied, I never mentioned Linux or something related to it

          • Michael Maier

            Linux users should use?

          • Vux777

            ahhh
            they are way cool…
            they should use something like command line terminal… who needs UI these days

          • https://plus.google.com/+PauloPasegros pasegros

            Command line is almost unnecessary on Linux, the Linux UI is much more developed…:)

        • Michael Maier

          Opera was a good one but nowadays it’s only an Apple hipster browser. Any suggestions of a real browser for everyone?

          • Vux777

            hmmm
            I like that “hipster browser”…
            New Opera logo should have mustache, beard, glasses…and analog arm watch

          • Michael Maier

            A simple question, What is the best Linux browser?

          • Vux777

            how the hell should I know?

            I’m on windows… like normal ppl :D

          • https://plus.google.com/+PauloPasegros pasegros

            Chrome, Firefox, SRWare Iron, Midori, the best known and famous. Opera was, now R.I.P…

  • Jabber00

    It’s only me or by using open in a new tab gesture (middle mouse button) extensions like adblock don’t work? No problems by using the item in right click menu…

  • Dark Magician

    The Verge is loading too slow.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Hmm, not happening here.

      • Dark Magician

        In the last version of Next also.
        Works fine in other browsers.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Here it takes a while for the content to appears – the page remains blank – after i hit enter on the address bar (or any other thing to start loading the page), but after the content appears, it remains there.

          • Dark Magician

            It takes too long in Opera, just try it in IE or FF.

    • Vux777

      I was having the same problems in previous builds with
      http://www.dnevnik.hr and http://www.salon.com
      page after loading just blinks for a bit of the second, and then goes blank/white.
      If I left it for couple of minutes, content comes back (probably because some internal auto-reload timer on page)
      Never found solution for it…it’s not Ghostery, it’s not AdBlock plus…. usual suspects

      • Leonardo Gomes

        Both sites seem to be loading without problems here.

        Any other extensions rumming? Sometimes an unsuspect one may be causing the problem.

        Also check flags if you had played with them.

        • Vux777

          no, they are working fine now
          …having…previous builds… :)

  • https://plus.google.com/+PauloPasegros pasegros

    Yes, Opera for Desktop is dying, back to Firefox:http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Hmm, wrong link? Because that one doesn’t show what you said.

  • https://plus.google.com/+PauloPasegros pasegros
  • fu

    Leap from Opera 12 to the newest Opera 19 is like leaping 20 years back in time. Stop this motherfleeing webkit version and continue working on Presto. I have 26 tabs open, I press CTRL+R (refresh), my current tab gets refreshed and I get thrown one tab left. And IF (when) I have this most current Opera open for 24 hours (with my 26 tabs) and try to watch youtube in flash or in html5 video, neither will work. AND when I close this opera (with my 26 tabs), reopening Opera will take 15-60 seconds AND I CAN’T DO _ANYTHING_ IN THE MEANTIME! Don’t get me wrong, I am an Opera fan for the life, but there is NO Opera like Opera 12. Lack of features, bugs/”bugs”/features, etc on everyday use keeps reminding me on daily basis WHY I love/loved Opera Presto (version <=12). I _WAS_ truly fascinated for the idea of "Opera Webkit", for awhile, but now I'm even more irritated than using Firefox, Chrome or even IE. Fuck all Acid tests, HTML5 standards, whatever. IF the user experience is changing THIS much, AT LEAST make it _work_.

    • fu

      AND these “when can we sort…” etc bull hoof, concentrate on making this Webkit version _WORK_. Opera used to be THE only browser which could handle as many tabs as you had opened. Nowadays its more like “if you have opened more tabs OR used the browser ‘too long’ OR both, tough luck”. Opera 12 -> Opera 15 was like switching from Ferrari to Toyota. And now that I’ve said that, I don’t even think so, because that would have been even “working change”. This is/was more like: Switching from Ferrari to a hill car. Get your sh…um…stuff together and make Opera what it used to be, ASAP!

      • Emanuele

        I agree with you about the better feeling of any Opera-Presto versions out there

        however, for what I can say looking at changelogs (no official replies from devs about it), they’re working on something to enhance performances with many opened tabs (tabs hibernation) …. hope that this could be a good solution for this problem

    • gdv

      This thread is for Opera Next 20 (not 19), although I’m not thinking 20 would necessarily perform significantly better for you than 19. And I’m with you (as MANY are) regarding Op12 features I hope will eventually return to the Chrome/Blink/Webkit version, but I imagine it will take another year or two (just guessing) to get anywhere close to what I’d like to see.

      I’m curious about your computer setup.

      FWIW I currently have 224 tabs open in OpDev20.0.1387.16 on a Win7HomePremium system with 8GB RAM. With this many tabs open, Op20 is sluggish, but it’s working. And I had OpDev20.0.1380.1 open accumulating all those tabs for at least 8-9 days before I just closed it today to update to OpDev20.0.1387.16. (Reopening all those tabs took several minutes on a 2.5-5.1 Mbps DSL wireless router.)

      I also still use Op12.16 on this same Win7 system and it gets pretty bad at about 150 tabs (frequent temporary hangs for 15-30 seconds) but I have maxed it out at 185 tabs before it became impossible to do anything at all (just all froze up). And I normally don’t restart Opera for days or even weeks at a time.

      I don’t watch a lot of YouTube, but the above numbers include occasional YouTube viewing. If I happen to watch very many YouTube videos during an Op12.16 session, I usually end up having to close some other tabs to maintain acceptable performance.

    • Izer0

      I mean Opera from 18. is usable, with some extension. Big problem is no-customizable bars (using space at top on widescreen where there is most of place on left/right) and missing bookmark manager (QAB is NOT bookmark manager, it is “bar”). I can suggest you some good settings/improvements – in opera://flags enable lazy loading and offline caching, your opera will work like a charm.

  • Dmitry Kirin

    Facebook is rewinding the newsfeed to beginning after a photo is closed. This has happened before, I don’t know if it’s a Facebook bug or Opera’s.

  • Timur Shirchenko

    Come back replacement cache folder, or never use again. I WANNA CHANGE CACHE FOLDER!!!!!
    P.S.18 month Maxthon user.

    • Vux777

      right click Opera shortcut icon and in target field add –disk-cache-dir=”D:cache” (change D:cache with path to your desired folder)
      http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8335/3com.png

      …and quit bitch-whining ツ

      • Dmitry Kirin

        You do it for each build? You can do it once, for the launcher.

        • Vux777

          ummh no…I did it just for example… I have my install and cache on Ramdisk F:
          I never use launcher for anything…dunno why, habit I guess

  • Farhan Rashid

    I would like to see import/export feature for bookmarks in opera 21

  • Noplacetorun

    I’d like to be able to hide bookmarks bar when it’s not needed. To be honest, I would be ok with the “Stash” tab if it had folders and multiple columns (and maybe an option to tag stuff in order to categorize it).

    • bruce lawson

      To hide the bookmarks var, O Menu > Settings > User interface > Show bookmarks bar.

      • Vux777

        too many clicks…
        noplacetorun was probably referring to quick on/off toggle button (or m-gesture) for BB
        seriously, there should be a button for that, and option in settings next to bookmarks bar, to show also bookmarks bar toggle-button on toolbar
        that is not very hard to do from your side , and there is NO WAY that extensions can access that feature (settings >> show BB, only to mimic BB completely…and that sucks )
        Opera already have the best BB from all the browsers that I’ve tried, why not making it even better
        and many users out there would like that feature (fast on/of toggle for BB)

      • Nekomajin42

        Really?
        Why do you even answer, if you don’t read the comment?

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Well, he gave a way to do what was requested. Notge that the original comment author did not specified how (s)he wanted to hide the bookmarks bar.

          • Nekomajin42

            It was obvious.

            S(H)e had to turn it on first to use, so it’s not a questions how to turn it off.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Well, the feature is turned on/off at opera:flags. :-) On setiings you turned it visible/invisible.

          • Nekomajin42

            We can play with words, but the question was obvious.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      You can use the keyboard shortcut Control+Shift+B (or Command–Shift–B on OS X) to toggle the bookmarks bar.

      • Vux777

        I’m trying with and without “advance keyboard shortcuts”
        but no toggle for BB with ctrl+shift+B

      • Nekomajin42

        It does not work for me.

  • Janghou

    I visited https://mega.co.nz/, I got forwarded to https://mega.co.nz/update.html which tells me Opera is supported, but `Your browser seems a bit outdated`
    and it urges me to update my browser.

    Please update to the latest version or switch to a recommended browser: Firefox or Chrome.
    What should I do? The site says Opera is supported, but at the same time tells me that I need to update my browser Opera, because it’s outdated, Opera says that my browser is up-to-date. (using Linux)
    What do you recommend?

    • Ralf Brinkmann

      I did not get forwarded. I use Adblock, Ghostery and HostMan. Ignore it, go back to your wanted page and upload your files. That protects your nerves.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Are you using Opera 12.16? It indeed redirects me to the update page, while this Dev 20 doesn’t. I can guess 12.16 will tell you it’s the most updated version, in its own channel. Maybe mega.co.nz has stopped the support of older versions…

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Afaik, Mega never supported Opera Presto. so when they list Opera as a supported browser they may be referring to Opera Blink (15+)

      Unfortunally, there is no Opera Blink for Linux yet.

      • Janghou

        Let’s hope a Linux version will come soon.
        And I don’t know the place anymore to discuss Opera for Linux-users, so i just took this Desktop thread.

  • Jademarisa

    I still want classic Menu back, as well as skins (not Chrome ugly themes) and customizable bars, where you can place the icons you want to use. And to be able to get rid of the awful “o” button again.

  • nanana2

    How I delete this? This extension vBokmarks does not exist in my Opera long time ago.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      This what? The extension?

      • nanana2

        The extension vBookmarks was deleted long time ago but still appear in search engine configurations. I would like to delete this configuration.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          And it doesn’t have a “remove” button?

          I don’t have any searche engines related to extensions but my custom ones have a ‘remove” button.

          • nanana2

            No, for serch engine added by extensions, there is no button “remove”. In the same situations is LastPass, but LastPass is installed in my Opera yet.

          • nanana2

            For regular search engines there is the buttom “Remove”. Is it a bug?

          • nanana2

            Resolved! As suggested by XA, I used SQLitebrowser to edit the file Web Data(profile folder) to delete the corresponding extension’s keyword and bingo! Thanks a lot XA ;-)

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Don’t know if it (the remove button not being there) is a bug or something by design but i think that the search engine entries added by extensions should be removed when the extension are removed.

            Maybe you should fill a bug report. Before that, try with a clean stand-alone install just to check if it still happens.

          • nanana2

            I’m too lazy to reinstall Opera, all extensions and reconfigures them all again. I’ll endure this bug for now. But it seems a bug, removing an extension should remove all its vestiges.

          • Dmitry Kirin

            I’ve got such a lost record too. I guess it came from another installation, when I transferred elements of the profile and one of them was the database Web Data. Next time I meddle with it, I’ll delete the orphan record. Normally, an extension-created search engine is removed when the extension is disabled or removed.

      • nanana2

        I guess I have to do a clean install, my installation date from the Opera 15 and after regular updates, including extensions, my Opera 19 is getting messy and full of bugs. :-(

      • nanana2

        For regular search engines there is the buttom “Remove”. Is it a bug?

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Don’t know. Maybe the search engine should have been gone when the extension was removed and, for that reason, there is no remove button.

        • nanana2

          Disqus is getting very unsuitable. I’ve deleted the post above but Disqus insists not delete it. Have Opera’s moderators some control about this big and frequent bugs of Disqus?

  • Ralf Brinkmann

    Wishlist for the next version(s):

    I would like to have a better possibility to navigate between the speed dials in all 4 directions with the keyboard. And to get the focus back on the speed dial icon, that I selected last, when I come back from the opened page.

    Now I can only use the TAB key to navigate from speed dial to speed dial, only in horizontal direction. Imagine I open the page of one speed dial, look a little around and then want to go back to open the next speed dial. I can’t because I always land at the first speed dial in a group (folder). So I have to walk again the same way to the last opened speed dial and then to the next one.

  • Dmitry Dmitriev

    It’s a problem with passwords on some sites (like “prior.by”) like in developer versions. There is no problem in 19 next.

  • Kurt Zon

    ……dreaming of twenty one…………..

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Its harder to make end-rhymes of “twentyone”.

      • Vux777

        if on Friday no twentyone
        I’m taking out my gun

        on this winter sun
        to have some phun
        :P

        • SkyWarriorBR

          I was thinking something with “run”, but your rhyme gives it a stun, and mine ended as undone =/

        • Vux777
      • Nekomajin42

        I think, we can live without rhymes. :)

        • ryofurue

          Although there were such times
          as you couldn’t live w’thout rhymes,
          in this day and age, rhymes
          are merely worth two dimes.

          Sorry I read your comment as an invitation :-)

      • Pesala

        Opera Next Twenty One
        More to go, but plenty done.

  • Izer0

    Still no usable bookmark manager? Worst :( :( :(

  • Rinne Tensei

    Still Heavily buggy.. disappointed.. there’s nothing more usable other than “discover”.. extensions don’t work like chrome or firefox. In some scenarios they stop working; specially the Adblockers, tracking protectors like disconnect.. whatever you do or add features, test the webpage loading thoroughly, try different test cases.. I don’t think this browser is tested well.. you just hurry to release new version.

  • Rinne Tensei

    Still Heavily buggy.. disappointed.. there’s nothing more usable other than “discover”.. extensions don’t work like chrome or firefox. In some scenarios they stop working; specially the Adblockers, tracking protectors like disconnect.. whatever you do or add features, test the webpage loading thoroughly, try different test cases.. I don’t think this browser is tested well.. you just hurry to release new version. Screens from http://www.viperial.com

    1st screen -> My extensions

    2nd screen -> home page of http://www.viperial.com (see the red circle)

    3rd screen -> a page after clicking any of the links marked by red circle in “LATEST TRACKS” section.

    4th screen -> the page opened in a new tab with adblockplus diabled (only the icon is showing) with all ads are showing. (see the red circle)

    5th screen -> now refresh that page and ads are gone (see the red circle)

  • Footman

    Sometimes it is not possible to scroll page on mac. Even refresh page does not help. Needs to be opened in new tab again. Pretty annoying.

    • Tomasz Jamroszczak

      Can this bug be triggered by mouse gestures?

  • Cryio

    After a few days with Opera 19/20 on Vista SP2 x86 (I know I said x64, but I didn’t find one)

    Verdict : Nope. Just don’t try it. Opera 20 crashes everything like crazy. Opera 19 works with everything, but has horrible speed dial animations. But I can’t say I blame the developers on this one. Just wanted to try things out.

    Fun test though.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      I’m using Opera 20 Developer for my daily browsing and it rarely crashes here and flash seems to work fine.

      Do you use xtensions? Have you checked with them disabled?

      • Cryio

        Are you using it under Vista? :P Because otherwise I presume it’s ok.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Nope, Windows 8.1 here.

          • Cryio

            Exactly. I didn’t notice any issues under 8.1 x64 from either 19 or 20. Just on Vista.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Real install or virtual?

      • Cryio

        Real install. Will go back to 8.1 Update 1 in a few days I guess.

  • Sidney Moraes

    It Works perfectly for me, keep with the good work Opera :)

  • Eggert717

    Help BEX crashing on startup windows 8.1

    • Leonardo Gomes

      What is BEX?

      • Eggert717

        BEX is the windows error I get when opera 20 crashes

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Hmm, never heard of it. Could you please post the whole error message (a screenshot maybe) so people can have more luck trying to help you?

          Btw, it’s a clean install or an update? If it’s an update, try with a clean install to see if the problem still happens.

          • Eggert717

            here’s the error opera will not even open thestable version works fine.

            Source

            Opera Next

            Summary

            Stopped working

            Date

            ‎2/‎9/‎2014 9:22 AM

            Status

            Not reported

            Description

            Faulting Application Path: C:Program Files (x86)Opera Next20.0.1387.24opera.exe

            Problem signature

            Problem Event Name: BEX

            Application Name: opera.exe

            Application Version: 20.0.1387.24

            Application Timestamp: 52f0c8aa

            Fault Module Name: opera.exe

            Fault Module Version: 20.0.1387.24

            Fault Module Timestamp: 52f0c8aa

            Exception Offset: 02bfaf0f

            Exception Code: c0000005

            Exception Data: 00000008

            OS Version: 6.3.9600.2.0.0.256.48

            Locale ID: 1033

            Additional Information 1: 5861

            Additional Information 2: 5861822e1919d7c014bbb064c64908b2

            Additional Information 3: 01d7

            Additional Information 4: 01d7340064827245f2249cd1f1a7c264

          • Leonardo Gomes
          • Eggert717

            No, I have tried everything, this happen’s with the developer versions too.
            I will try your link Thanks!

  • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

    Will you guys create another version of Opera? I mean Opera for Modern UI like Firefox for Modern UI?

    • DD64

      Would be nice, but I think they should focus all their work on the desktop-version, because it still lacks many features.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      I’d rather know if a Windows Phone version is coming or not, I’m aiming at a Lumia.

  • guest6768

    Clicking an item of the SD does not refresh its thumbnail. Why?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Clicking an item of the SD (and visiting the website obviously) does not refresh its thumbnail. Why?

      At least here the SD thumbnails were never automatically updated so i think that this behavior is, at least at this moment, by design.

  • Marcos735

    Hey guys i loose all my extensions, i don`t know why, is possible to recover them?

    I know that the information of the extensions are here at opera folder somewhere because I re installed some extensions and settings that I had done remain the same. The “adblock” has all the rules that I had placed previously and the extension “bookmark manager” has all my favorites and settings. So it should be here. How do I find it?

    • Dmitry Kirin

      The list of installed extensions is in the file Preferences, I used it when I needed to add the same list of extensions in another channel’s Opera (Next from Dev). I’ve never modified these settings in Preferences directly, it’s sort of, well, scary.

      As for AdBlock (Plus), I see only one occurrence of my custom url filters, in an INI-like file, (profile)File System00p00000000. I guess, numbers can be different, so search for the string, say, AdBlock or [Subscription filters]. In my case, the custom filters happen to be in the last section. You’ll probably recognise yours. Copy them into AdBlock using its settings page, not directly in the File System.

      • Marcos735

        Thank you. I installed the extensions again. It’s funny because settings are the same ones that I had left before the extensions disappear.

  • Eggert717

    BEX is the crash error Opera next installs but crashes on startup Error BEX

  • Katsuki

    Big news, k-meleon 74 beta based on firefox 24 released. Super light & fast.
    Download at http://kmeleon.sf.net/files/K-Meleon74Beta.7z
    news on http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/
    Try it out. :D

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Ironically, K-Meleon fails to render this very page properly. No Speed Dials, or I just haven’t found them in 10 minutes. No AdBlock. The translation is excellent though, error-free and semantically clear, I hope Opera will eventually reach the same quality of UI localisation. In general, K-Meleon looks like a very good configuration editor for browser engine features, rather than my everyday browser.

  • josemuk

    This page: http://groupees.com/bm11 shows an annoying youtube video on top. Opera 12.16 and Chrome 32.0.1700 don’t have that problem.

    • Ralf Brinkmann

      Sorry, I don’t see any video, even if I switch off Adblock, Ghostery and Hostman.

      • josemuk

        Can you see it if you reload the page?

        • Vux777

          like Ralf, I also don’t see any YT video, no matter how many times I reload the page

          ps. do you have any extension for CSS editing installed?

          • josemuk

            ps. do you have any extension for CSS editing installed?

            Not that I know of.
            Even with a clean profile I still can see the video on top :(

        • Dmitry Kirin

          No, me either.

        • Ralf Brinkmann

          No, I have tried it out in Google Chrome and Firefox, where I don’t have any blocking software, and many times in Opera with switching all blocking softare on and off and reloading the page. No video.

        • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

          I can confirm that there is no video on this page. Try to clear cache and/or cookies.

        • guest6768

          I can see that too. But sometimes it shows, sometimes not. Depends on reload.

        • guest6768

          I can see that too. But sometimes it shows, sometimes not. Depends on reload.

          • nanana2

            I can see too, Opera 19 Stable, always, apart on reload. Chrome and Firefox this video never appear.

  • Rinne Tensei

    Opera should learn from this browser team.. this browser loads pages faster = chrome, Page loading on different websites is flawless but it scores only 32o on html5test.com but it doesn’t have the pageloading problems(with extensions) of opera. it has inbuilt adblock plus and it never stop working like on opera on clicking anchors to other site.. why don’t you buy this one :) you have money, they have talent ;)

    http://www.qupzilla.com/

  • gekitsu

    now lets hope the next version of developer comes any closer to making opera useable, instead of another version of small fry and inconsequentialities.

    really, i try it every now and then, and my opera 12 install started acting up badly, so it doesnt really present any kind of peak competition. and new opera just doesnt cut it.

    no real urls in address field.
    not able to deactivate address field dropdown.
    not able to deactivate browser history. (what the fucking fuck?)
    not able to customise the UI.
    UI itself is wasteful with space, the QAB compounds that issue.
    not able to customise anything really. (like new tabs opening to the very right, not right of the tab that spawned it)
    no good system to allow/disallow cookies per site, therefore cookie spam.
    no private tabs. (multiple windows? no.)
    still no clear statement about how opera handles and values privacy. it is built on google code, therefore it is a matter of dire concern.
    the default search engines are badly implemented. (automatic redirection to [useless] localised versions of the target site. this could be solved by allowing options for now, until we can just delete them and make our own.)

    overall, too much geared towards cuddling dumb users, not enough focus on providing a solid product.

    • guest6768

      Sad but true. All of them.

      • gekitsu

        you know, id feel much better about it if there was some kind of maintenance on opera 12 and the 15+ versions would be branded as beta.

        marketing opera 15–19 as official, stable releases is a huge pile of dung. the market is saturated with mediocre, underfeatured browsers, there is no need for another one trying to do even worse. now, a browser that i can mold to my requirements, thats a much rarer thing.

    • guest6768

      A perfect example for the per site preference would be this… blog site. Not allowing third-party cookies won’t allow you to login with Disgust. Isn’t that great? Isn’t that genial?

      • gekitsu

        yes, its either not allowing third party cookies, which is increasingly useless with service fragmentation between, say blogging software and comments, or managing exceptions post facto, for each visited website deleting unwanted cookies by hand, writing the appropriate exceptions etc.

        or, you know, use opera 12’s way of asking before any as of yet unknown cookie.

        • guest6768

          Oh no… that would burn the brain of the average joe’s that would come up against it.

          • Guest

            Remember: This is the current target group:

          • guest6768

            ^^Fix the damn Disgust deleting issues…

          • gekitsu

            well, id say let the brain simmer for a while, it can only get better ;)

            but actually, the whole thing about opera 12 being too hard to get into is pretty much rubbish, imho. i told a very tech-unsavvy friend of mine about the benefits of maybe not using the (un-updated!) browser that comes installed on ones computer. we looked at the usual host of available browsers, he tried them all out, and settled on opera, configured to how he likes to use it. his opera looks completely different from mine. he is far from a nerd about all things tech when it comes to web stuff, and has only a very bare understanding of how websites even work.

            i got a very exasperated mail from him when he got his laptop back from maintenance one day, and just installed opera. it was as unuseable to him as it is to me.

          • guest6768

            Of course it is rubbish and poor excuses. They could remove features of the browser [or hide them of plain sight just like they do now with konami and taito codes (...)] if the thought they were too confusing… Simple stuff. Just like the did with Unite etc, or with Opera Mail which, if you add the Opera 12 executable and the corresponding .dll in the folder runs as Opera 12.16…

          • gekitsu

            im actually very much against this idea of things being too confusing to non-power users.

            it is the job of proper design and documentation to provide clarity about what any setting does.
            i can very well imagine a settings screen that prominently shows the obvious, top-level settings, and rolls out more fiddly ones from there. hiding stuff away means putting it in a box and telling people “this is too smart for you, dont bother.” or “this is embarrassing stuff we had to include to placate a few loudmouthed people.”

            having it always visible means people see something is there, although they might not (yet) understand it, and educate themselves when they feel the need. maybe they never have the urge to go there, but maybe they hit the limits of the level one settings and consider reading up on things.
            of course, that means both spending some thoughts on how to design the settings screen to clearly differentiate levels, and it means treating the users with some basic respect. both seem to be hard, although they should be common practise.

          • guest6768

            Remember: This is the current group target:

            P.S.: FIX your Disgust deleting issues!

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            You’re in the group target then, otherwise you’d have found the cookies settings to add an exception to DISQUS.

          • Vux777

            but then Disqus is allowed on every site he visit
            I’m using that in combination with Ghostery….

          • gekitsu

            the issue is that manually setting exceptions is not a feasible solution.

            it means: surfing to a site
            either: all cookies are set to allowed. i need to look up how many undesirable cookies i got, manually delete them and write blocking exceptions.
            or: cookies set to all blocked as default, then i need to figure out which ones to let through to make a site work (which may well only be one of a whole slew a site unleashes) and write an exception to allow it.

            neither of which is a solution you can practically use in a day-to-day browsing situation.

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            Can you explain me how Opera 12 was better in this regard?

          • gekitsu

            jep. you can get a popup with accept/refuse and two checkboxes (“remember for this cookie” and “delete after session close”) for every unencountered cookie.

            i.e.: you just click the appropriate combination (always refuse, always allow but delete after session, always allow and keep,…) and there you are. not one click away from your actual browsing.

            thats quite different from asking the user to head over to the settings page FOR EACH PAGE VISITED and repair the damage BY HAND.

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            For each page visited? Isn’t it a matter of adding disqus.com once there?

          • gekitsu

            note i typed “unencountered cookie” – the disqus.com cookie is always the same, i.e. once approved, always approved.

            the matter isnt just disqus, btw. its to have control at all times which cookie is set and which are not. what site is granted the privilege of storing data on my computer because it is useful, which handpicked cookie is temporarily allowed because sites wont work without it, and everything else, i.e. blocked.

          • gekitsu

            (wait, i think i misunderstood you. yes, in opera 15+, youd also only need to add disqus once.
            but you either block all cookies and then run into non-working pages, have to scoot to settings and try fixing, OR you allow all cookies and have to clean up every unwanted one after each site visit in settings. i shouldnt even have to go to settings while browsing, let alone type exceptions by hand.)

          • Vux777

            yes, problem with cookies and user privacy is much bigger than enable/disable.
            If someone block cookies and site data, can’t use social commenting systems like FB or Disqus…
            On the other hand if someone add exception for FB, than FB is tracking him/her everywhere.
            MS, Mozilla, Google ..and other big players are now searching for better solution (with ofc. separated opinions what is good), main problem is… they can give us solution that is good (much better than this one)…. but there is big economy behind cookies, and they have to obey it.
            I would like solution that will block ALL cookies, site data etc. and present my browser to sites like fresh-installed-first-visit with the exception for sites that I permit (whether that be just a cookie or login).
            For instance, I have to add Disqus to exception, but I want that Disqus recognize my login only on Opera blogs and couple of more, not all the sites I’m visiting.

            To achieve that, I have to combine browser feature with third-party solution, which kinda sucks. Ghostery have bad habit to screw sites…

          • gekitsu

            its a bit frustrating because the problem you have with disqus/opera blogs pretty much presents itself in basic formal logic parlance:
            if url == opera.com and cookie == disqus.com then allow cookie.

            i can see how implementing that in an accessible fashion could be very tricky, but the problem itself should be trivial.
            id say the best solution for managing allow/refuse is always allow, an opera 12 style question popup, and always refuse as options. (i think thats what opera 12 offered. opera 15+ lacks the question popup)
            for fiddling with stored cookies, a cookie menu ala opera 12 & 15+. (ideally, searchable not only for url, but also date of last change)
            for manually adding exceptions, something looking like opera 15+’s exception list (i am actually not a fan of how blocked cookies are represented via an empty entry in opera 12’s cookie list. thats counterintuitive), but implementing logic syntax alongside regexes – whoever can voice such specific needs most likely will find this the most intuitive solution.

            but oh the imagined horror of the uninitiated user seeing just a text box for controlling things. he will be scarred for life. so best not offer any options at all.

            (and we havent even scratched the problem of opera 15+ being built on google code and, to the best of my knowledge, not having heard any official statement on how much opera is now on board googles user surveillance philosophy. opera coming preloaded with that piece of shit search engine as an unremovable default doesnt look too promising)

  • Vux777

    after almost a week using this build as main browser, my impression is that previous dev build was much smoother (this next build inherited some features from it)
    When opening new tab from current one, or when something is loading in background tabs, scrolling in current tab gets choppier for the time of BG loading.
    That was happening sometimes in dev builds, but in this one is more like a rule/common thing, than exception

    • guest6768

      It happens with all versions of Chropera. If you open about 15 tabs at the same time SD or the current tab get choppy. Cold boot makes it even worse. So much for the much advertised multi-process, multi-threaded, multi…vitamin advantages (…) of the new engine, yupi!

  • Cawington

    http://www.hirado.hu/2014/02/10/lomnici-az-otp-veszelyes-utra-lepett/

    It does not work in the media player link on the site!

    Someone confirm?

    IE11 works!

    • Rinne Tensei

      it is HTML5 mp3 player.. opera doesn’t support html5 mp3.. thats why :)

      • Cawington

        Extension?

        • guest6768

          lol that’s the spirit!

          Forget it, mp3 works only in Chrome, Firefox and Safari.

  • NIBB

    I already moved as well. Guess to what?

    Lunascape. This browsers misses some end details but it reminds me of the old Opera. Its AMAZING in features. No, really. You can customize everything, the tabs stack up and do not get smaller, there are all possible tab options, you can use the engine you want on the website you want, Trident, Gecko or Webkit, you can customize every single item of the menu, it has RSS feed build in, search bar, and the options make it probably the most powerful browser today.

    I´m impressed I never heart of it before. It seems this is what old Opera users are looking. Its amazing as people work more and more on the Internet browsers go exactly the other way around, they have less and less management features, working with Opera today is a pain, copying data from one tag to the other unless you take it out does not work. Lunascape has something which I love which is you can see all tabs open in vertical or horizontal placemenet right there with one click. Not to mention copying or searching data just requires you to select the text and a menu with options opens on the fly, not need to right click which is amazingly annoying. Selecting and copying data with Chromium is awful

    Honestly, guys give it a try. From what Opera told so far several times here in the blog, it seems Opera does not try to be the “only browser you will ever need” anymore, they have clearly stated they want to be mainstream, this means less features and be as simple for users as possible, just one more browser. And yes, it does not get more simpler than this, it barely does anything.

    So far there is no thing from Opera as a company that tells us they plan to make it again the most customizable and powerful browser available in the planet again. Because they probably think it makes the use complicated, but then if I need a simple browser that does not do anything I would stick to IE 11 which is fast and clean but hardly has any options.

    Opera users where always heavy browsers, tab management in Opera was the best, as well customization. This was not bad, users that tried Opera did not stick with it because Presto did not rendered something correctly and even with tons of features if your websites do not work or you have to switch browsers, users will drop it. This is not the case anymore, so I don´t see why Opera does try the combination

    Current Blink Engine + All old features + more

    I just hope Opera would actually take a look at Lunascape and remind them what Opera was some years back. And this browser does not even have the resources, money or developers Opera has, so if they can do it, why can´t Opera implement anything in 1 year?

    Also, it looks like Google is going to push a Android move regarding Blink, so where is that going to leave Opera? I would love to be able to have 2 engines in Opera as well, Gecko and Blink, why not? Its not like Opera uses its own engine anymore at all. People choose a browser on features, and a browser that lets you render pages on the engine you want, and lets you manage everything from one single browser, means you will never need to open another one again. Hell, why not implement Trident as well in Opera and have one browser that rules them all.

    If someone could ever pull this off, its Opera. Just something to consider, for now I will stick with Lunascape and I hope this browsers gets more love from users as well, because it seems well made.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    Give us something.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Such a cry from the heart… :)

  • syplex

    Is there a way to enable a download prompt with an “open” button? I always view PDFs in a separate application vs inside the browser, and with the current download implementation it takes several more clicks to accomplish and dirties up my downloads directory with hundreds of temporary files that I simply wish to view.

    • guest6768

      +1.
      Not to mention that with the extension viewer PDFs look awful. Awful fonts. How did they manage to screw this up so much? Instead of progression we are going backwards.

    • syplex

      Also I thought of something else. When viewing PDFs on our intranet, I often have already downloaded the PDF, so I would prefer to get a download prompt that is smart enough to realize its already downloaded and allow me to click “open” without re-downloading. Opera wants to keep re-downloading the same files and appending (1), (2), etc to the end. I have enabled the Enable Download Resumption flag which makes Opera smarter, but there is no way to quickly re-open a file I have already downloaded without opening Explorer or re-downloading the file and then opening.

  • beBoss

    Opera should do something about this (I hope so).

  • Dmitry Kirin

    The genealogy tree on this page looks wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_York
    Last builds of Dev and Next are affected. In IE11, it looks good.

    • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

      Newest Stable is also affected by the way ;)

    • Rinne Tensei

      this problem is with chromium/chrome/blink (ver. 32), Opera have to look through the blink code to exclusively fix it in their browser.. or else have to wait for the dev.s of chromium to fix it themselves..

      • nanana2

        QupZilla(https://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla) is also QtWebkit-based and has not this problem.Is it the same webkit code of Chrome/Opera? Cause I don’t understand anything about codes. BTW, excelent alternative browser for Linux users and HAS A DECENT BOOKMARK MANAGER. :)

        • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

          No they don’t use the same code. Opera uses Chromium (Blink) not WebKit.

          • Rinne Tensei

            LOL hats off man.. use some internet man

          • http://twitter.com/rluik Rafael Luik

            Use your brain.

          • Rinne Tensei

            your’e the dumbest here LOL

        • Rinne Tensei

          Ya qupzilla is a nice browser better than OPERA.. they Got every function that opera is currently trying (look at their level of customization).. and yes it uses the webkit of safari (mac) & the core code of apple webkit chrome/opera blink is same.. while google took apple webkit and started a different development line called “blink” and added some enhancement to support HTML5 better than apple webkit and sadly it works well with its own skin (GUI) only.. that is why opera (which have their own Skin) don’t work well.. personlly I want opera to buy qupzilla ;)

    • guest6768

      Looks good in O 12.16… Irony?

      • Dmitry Kirin

        Just a different engine, a great one at that. Mozilla engine shows the page correctly too. Looks like it’s indeed a Chromium thing, as Rinne Tensei has pointed out.

  • http://sdo.rimsou.ru/ Razorvashka

    Как сделать, чтобы в Opera отображался полный адрес типа “http://ru.wikipedia.org/”, а не обрубок типа “ru.wikipedia.org”. Раздражает сильно, даже адрес скопировать нельзя толком.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Если копировать (а не вырезать) и с самого начала url, то протокол вполне копируется.

  • http://sdo.rimsou.ru/ Razorvashka

    I want “http://” in the address bar. How to do it?

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Not in this version, but they say it’s on the roadmap.

  • L33t4opera

    New update for the Opera Next: 20.0.1387.30, the change log, and the announcement.

  • Gemorroj

    Need Olympic developer build! =)

    • Dmitry Kirin

      Under construction. :)

  • L33t4opera

    New update for Opera Next: 20.0.1387.30, the change log, and the announcement.

  • RX-3200

    when we get fix drag & drop in new Opera ?
    eg shareaholic_com in “Options / Browser Tools: Sharing networks” – sorting by dragging not working,
    and on many other pages like scissorsfly_com, portal.opera_com, ect – in new Opera drag & drop functionality not working on them all
    but in Opera Presto – it worked

  • Patrician_1

    I have no wish to start a war, nor do I wish to be given any canned answers. I happened upon this and simply would like (since you have been with Opera since 2005) to know what the real reason for dropping Presto was. It was so much lighter and useful than the current rework of Chromium. Thanks.

  • Tueksta

    Can somebody tell me where the trash can for closed tabs has gone too? and the loading progress bar?

  • Hayssam Soussi

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