We’ve been working hard to improve our desktop browser.

We added many super useful features. We are especially proud of visual bookmarks, which allow you to bookmark your links as images and share a bunch of them by sending a single link to your friends. For those of you on Linux, check out the awesome Opera for Linux.

Growing our fan base worldwide

Our hard work is paying off and Opera for computers now has more than 55 million unique monthly users — a solid 8% growth in just one year! Over the same period, the number of users on the new generation of Opera browsers grew 160%.
55 million browse the web on Opera for computers

More countries join the million-users club

What’s even better is that, in 12 short months, we’ve increased the number of countries with more than 1M Opera for computers users. Now, there are 11 countries in our 1M club:

Belarus, Brazil, Germany, India, Indonesia, Poland, Russia, Turkey, Ukraine, United States, and Vietnam.

Argentina, Brazil, Egypt, France, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Poland, Pakistan, Turkey and United States saw the highest growth of Opera computer users among our top-25 countries. It’s particularly exciting to see how more and more people are using Opera for computers in Southeast Asia and Latin America, where Opera is traditionally known more for our mobile products.
There are 11 countries in the world with more than 1 million users of Opera for computers.

We hope to see even more of you say “Opera is my way to browse” in the months to come. Welcome to the family!-

Zhenis

As Opera Software’s Product Manager of Desktop Products, Zhenis is responsible for defining Opera for computers features and strategy. He joined Opera in 2008 and has also worked on Opera Mini for iPhone and Opera’s TV products.

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  • MozPri

    “We added many super useful features.”

    Emm… no you did not. You removed many super useful features from O12.

    • Кostadin

      Even if I agree with MozPri, I must admit that the team has done a lot and a good work. Now it is time to push M3 (or M15) just to keep the users hooked 🙂

    • P0lip

      “super useful features”
      You made my day 😀

    • “We added many super useful features.”

      Emm… no you did not. You removed many super useful features from O12.

      Actually we did quite a bit of stuff. Visual Bookmarks and Bookmark sharing, were mentioned above but there were plenty of others. I can’t find a good list publicly but as I was involved in many of the blog posts, I’ll list the highlights that I can recall made it to Opera “stable” in 2014, focusing on things that didn’t exist in Opera 12 (since that is your point of comparison):

      • HiDPI support (which is particularly good on Linux I might add).
      • Large tab previews (sure previews existed but you couldn’t actually read a page without switching tab)
      • Tab menu (which works with the above)
      • Network installers for Mac and Windows
      • Small (binary patch) auto-update packages on Windows
      • Silent/seamless auto-update for Windows (no UAC dialog)
      • HTML5 H264 Video support
      • HTML5 MP3 Audio support
      • HTML5 Web notification support

      This isn’t a complete list and I intentionally skipped things that you might consider “catch up”, such as the Bookmarks bar or re-adding support for Linux (neither of which were exactly trivial to do however).

      P.S. In the old days we used to have 1 to 2 major releases in a year. If we added this much stuff in 1½ releases, I think people would have been impressed. Particularly if we produced such stable releases, with excellent site compatibility!

      • Cryio

        How many of those features were not simply inherited from Chromium/Blink itself?

        • Short answer “none” or they would have appeared the previous year. 😉

          The longer answer is that a couple of those things leverage work in Chromium. Notifications uses their framework but we integrated with MacOS and Windows notification centers. HiDPI uses much of their code but our implementation is superior IMHO (I’m sure any Linux user would confirm this for you). The other things you might assume we “got for free” we did ourselves. Chrome ships bundled libs for HTML5 proprietary media, we use the host OS, our autoupdate mechanism has to work with the system what we had for Opera Presto. The Windows network installer is entirely our own and Mac Chrome doesn’t even have a network installer so we would have used it even if we wanted to.

          • Llub Hsit

            Keep telling yourself that. But, no.
            Opera doesn’t work for XP anymore, because Chrome doesn’t want to work for XP (secured addresses tied up to host OS and so on). I saw this issue being addressed here and one of you said “you won’t fix it” – of course you won’t; you only tweak what Chrome already puts on the table.

          • Cryio

            They shouldn’t be bothered with XP anymore. It’s been EOL’ed for almost 1 year now. Get with the program.

      • escruting
        • Visual Bookmarks is something we had been experimenting with internally long before we ever released a Blink based browser. If you don’t believe me you call always ask our friends at Vivalidi! 😛

          The fact that Opera and Chrome released something similar (though certainly not the same) at around the same time is a coincidence or a case of great minds think alike.

          • Licaon_Kter

            Talk about Vivaldi, apparently they *could* add:
            *bookmarks
            *tab stacking
            *tab thumbs
            *set custom search engine as default
            *no unchangeable search engine quick letters
            *ability to delete default search engines (no corrupting .json trick)
            *trashcan – closed files (not this useless Tab menu)
            on top of Chrome/imum, when so much time Opera devs kept talking to us around here on how they can’t replicate Opera 12 missing features in Opera >15. (yeah bookmarks are better now in Opera 29 but after how much time?)

      • Nekomajin43

        “focusing on things that didn’t exist in Opera 12”

        Yeah, but we want things from O12. Like tab stacking, customisable GUI, side panel, customizable keys/mouse gestures, confirm exit, just to name a few. I agree, O12 was a bit of a bloatware at the end, and it had many bugs, but it has really good features that are missing since the engine switch.

        I was banned once for this, but I say again: your marketing skills are really poor. This article is fine for news papers and for average users, but you post it on a developer blog, where every visitor knows what’s written is not true. It seems like you deliberately want to anger the few loyal power users you have.

        We want features that make Opera unique. Every other browser has silent installer, video support, notifications, and even a speed dial now. Why should we use Opera? I asked this many times and you never answered this simple question. 3 years ago, you were the leading company in browser engineering and innovation. Now you just copy Chrome features and try to sell it as “super useful”.
        I have no doubt you work a lot on these features, but you do something really wrong.

        • reesmichael1

          This article is fine for news papers and for average users, but you post it on a developer blog, where every visitor knows what’s written is not true.

          The more I think about this, the more annoyed I get. Putting a post like this here seems like asking us to accept a form of doublethink. After all, the Opera team has to know that the majority of regular visitors here are disgruntled O12 users. Posting this “Look at us, we’re so awesome (if you ignore how we used to have more users and a more features with a product that you liked more)” nonsense just seems completely ignorant of the current feelings of the regular readers of this blog.

      • escruting

        The problem is, that if we really put ourselves to it and are critic enough, if we do a list of things we dont like about the new Opera, we can find A TON of things to say. And if we try the same with Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera12, we of course can find bad things too, but those lists would be so short compared to the Opera 15+ list. And thats the HARD TRUTH. Don’t make excuses about developer time or browser vision or real user needs…

      • Lacedaemon

        I wanted to comment on this but **** it. It’s so pointless repeating the same obvious things over and over again and reading such posts from legit developers is saddening me… HTML5 support and installer… **** it, the situation is incurable.

        • Karol Wyszyński

          God damn! Awesome comment:) Nothing more too add:)

      • Vux777

        installers, codec support, HiDPi support…shouldn’t be counted as features 😛

        • Herr Pietrus

          It can also browse the web!

        • Many would disagree. I can point you to countless posts on twitter praising our HiDPI implementation.

          • Vux777

            …and I’m not disrespecting your work by any means. I believe you did good job with it, but those things are not exactly features or something for browser branding

          • I respectfully disagree. People switch to Opera specifically because of the HiDPI implementation. Here are a couple of tweets:

            https://twitter.com/kendall/status/564923505951928321
            https://twitter.com/alq/status/560643308066988033

            Sure it might not be the feature you personally wanted but don’t assume that nobody wants it.

          • Vux777

            mmhhhm…no!

          • alayli

            You removed most of features, because of no one is using them, and now you’re proud of having HiDPI.
            How many of 50m users using HiDPI?

          • Cryio

            The HiDPI I think is the only “feature” for which you should be praised. Besides Opera, only IE on W8.1 and Safari on Yosemite work properly on high DPI displays.

        • kapsi

          Of course they are features.

      • alayli

        HTML5 codec support is a feature? Welcome to 2014, folks. There’re things to do achieve 2015.

        PS: You forgot to mention “we implemeted full HTML4 support”.
        Also whenever you need to create features like “tab menu”, just mail me, I can do it by using chrome extension APIs in a one night. For a beer, of course.

      • Stve

        I still like Opera but… Bookmark bar needs a keyboard shortcut to toggle it.
        Visual Bookmarks look great but where are the selection tools so we can manage them ?
        And please bring back bookmark nicknames.

      • plague

        I appreciate the amount of work it takes to implement what you have listed. Coding takes time, I know that full well as a developer myself.
        I’ve also come to like alot of stuff in newer Opera.
        And I’ve even learned to live without some of the stuff currently missing in newer Opera, like M2, RSS reader, and Dragonfly for example.

        However, even though I can _manage_ without the ability to customize the UI to suit my needs, I absolutely _hate_ how the UI for extensions is presented in Chrome and Opera.
        The extension button is a small usability-nightmare for alot of the extensions and a really limited way to provide extensions.

        For example:
        I use a multi-search extension, where I can quickly switch search engine based on what I want to search for. I do not want that in the addressfield, as there are simply too many keywords to keep track of and the buttons at the bottom of the dropdown list do not offer better usability than the extension I currently use. But it drives me crazy that I have to click on a button in order to access the searchfield in the extension. I want to place that searchfield directly on the toolbar, right next to the addressbar.

        Also, I’m not sold on the way the visual bookmarks limit what thumbnail image you are allowed to use.
        I’s argue that allowing the user to select any image he/she wants for the bookmark thumbnail is the best solution. And I really don’t see a downside to that solution. You could still let the bookmark manager pre-select a set of images like it currently does, but it should be possible to override it with your own choice.

    • MarkG54321

      No, they removed all the useless cruft. You might want the “homer car” of browsers, we don’t however.

    • nanana1

      I am just grateful and happy that I have Opera that I continue to use as my main browser. It is not perfect, nothing is, and I am confident that the user base will continue to grow with the improvements & innovations Opera developers will bring to us.

      Keep counting, guys, and surprise us another day !!!

  • Kurt Zon

    Congratulations Opera – keep up the good work…

  • Nekomajin43

    What “Super useful features” are we talking about?

    • Sax

      You know, tabs, the address bar, oh, and there are also those great background images for speed dial.

      • Karol Wyszyński

        And of course wonderful one trillion of extension what you can download and make your browser “unique” (better than: slow, unsafe, unstable etc.”)

        • P0lip

          Yes. They say Opera must have fewer features to make sure nothing is buggy, but on the other side they tell us to use extensions, which ofc won’t be as polished as standard features.

      • Tommy

        And don’t forget using all available system’s memory…

  • kq

    Do you remember the time when you had 60 millions users?

    • We have 350m users of all our products.

      • kq

        We are talking about DESKTOP USERS, not MOBILE.

        • I am talking about both.

          • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

            That’s a “communication” with you. You don’t focus on meritum 🙂

          • Karol Wyszyński

            That’s how you avoid uncomfortable questions 😉

          • Shion

            Confirming the bad stuff publicly could result in many bad things to happen for Opera employees, you know. Like people higher up realising that this department just wastes time and money. While many could think that these guys really deserve to go for a job hunting with “he destroyed one of the best desktop browsers ever” in their recomendation letters, let’s not be so cruel. Some of them have families, you know. And it’s damn scary to have a family with at least 4 million people around the globe, that are angry at you. So just.. let it go, guys. Let’s just wait for a better browser. Whenever it would be Opera, Vivaldi, Chrome, FireFox or some other new or old TM – they’ll have they job and stable life, while others will be hung by their asses. It’s not like we can do anything else, but giving feedback to the Viva team, cuz Opera doesn’t seem to listen to people anymore. Ah, whatever, just don’t put them in bad situations, as there is still hope that they will actually make a good browser. Within next 10 years..

          • Karol Wyszyński

            Shion – I excatly know how it works. That’s why you are not suposed to put massages in public where you cannot defend it easily:)
            Skipping answers for some question is just proving that you made mistake or you are not telling truth. That’s why mostly they are quite on this forum and answering only for positive feedback or simple staff – this is how politics do 🙂
            But if you dare to challenge be a (let’s use this form ;)) man (as I guess he is for this) and face uncomfortable question or ask your boss to do this and be wise (do not post something what can be like a stick in ant farm)

          • P0lip

            As you might have noticed, we would like to know more about your desktop’s user base 🙂

        • sbs73000

          Actually, what the blogpost says is : the opr.as/comp page has now 55 million unique monthly users — which doesn’t mean nothing — ; the number of users on the new generation of Opera browserS (plural) grew 160% in one year.

          Talking about desktop and mobile users, talking about everything and nothing — except the weather ;). Just stats and numbers put together… Advertising, commercial language. You can congratulate them because they seem satisfied, but don’t ask about the “desktop growth”, you won’t have any answer.

      • Vux777

        THE most important number

        • reesmichael1

          42!

          Oh, wait….

    • Rafael Luik

      I remember, Opera 11 and 12, 12.1 came and the number went downhill. It was before any Chromium-based version.

      Try harder next time troll.

  • name siname

    Vivaldi You will soon overtake , if the same opera will remain slow

    • Jedy

      So you have insider information for the stable release then?

      • reesmichael1

        No, but it’s pretty clear what direction the Vivaldi team is moving in. For one thing, they’ve actually provided a list of coming features.

        • Jedy

          Yes, a list without a timeline. For all we know a stable release might not even appear this year. And how does anyone know this niche browser will still be here in years to come? The point is, none of this stops the bold claims from the disgruntled Opera user and heaping on a lot of expectation without any way to back it up.

          • reesmichael1

            The pace of development so far sets its own timeline.

            Even if a stable release doesn’t appear this year, continually improved releases will. In the first few snapshots, new features have consistently been added. And people are confident it will be here for years to come because it’s been set up by the exact same people that made Opera great–that is, people who have had tremendous success making a niche browser. I have very high expectations for the future of Vivaldi, yes, but I also think they’re possible to back up.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      It doesn’t seem to me that Opera and Vivaldi are even aiming at the same public.

      • MadEddy

        Obviously. Opera team clearly stated their will for a “simpler browser” targetted to a wider audience.

  • Saskatchewan

    Poland as one of the countries with the highest growth of desktop users? When talking about percentages:
    – in January 2015 Opera had about 6.00% of Polish market share*;
    – in January 2014 it was about 6.38%; and, as a side note,
    – in January 2010 it was more than 10.5%.

    It’s difficult to believe that the total numbers have changed so much.

    *according to Gemius: http://ranking.pl/pl/rankings/web-browsers-groups.html

    • We have no idea about methodology of the Gemius’s ranking, so I cannot comment on that.

      • zmęczony

        Actually you haven’t written also about methodology of your calculation 😉

      • P0lip

        Actually the results of Gemius ranking are pretty accurate. The truth is you’ve lost users (at least desktop ones), but you can’t admit it. I might be wrong, but well…

      • Saskatchewan

        @Zhenis Beisekov: Could you provide some real numbers and a short info about your methodology?

      • Saskatchewan

        Could you provide some real numbers and a short info about your methodology?

        That was a serious question. Is there any (more or less) current data available for public?

      • Saskatchewan

        Hi Zhenis, it’s been 7 days since I first asked you a question and I’m not sure if you’ve seen it. Could you give us an answer? (At least: “yes” or “no”.)

        https://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2015/02/55-million-counting-opera-for-computers-user-number/#comment-1865860365

      • Saskatchewan

        I still don’t know how you count your users 🙁

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Using Opera? 🙂

          • Saskatchewan

            I do still use Opera as my main browser.

            I used to be an active user and t’s very sad for me that I got ignored after asking such a simple question. I understand that they might have no knowledge about the details of Gemius’s ranking, but why wouldn’t they talk about their own stats? I would even be happy with the simplest answer or at least a word that they cannot provide any details about it.

            With no comment, the growth of desktop users in Poland sounds for me like a total bullshit.

          • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

            Polish ChrOpera’s devs, man. Almost all of them ruined your loved web browser and thinks that this is okay. Maybe it’s good that some norway devs leaved them and joined Vivaldi (I hope only they won’t destroy Vivaldi like Polish devs did).

          • Saskatchewan

            I don’t think they’ve had a lot to say, even if they wanted the browser to look different. Vivaldi is quite nice already, but we have to see what the future will bring us.

            One word about Polish devs: I’m happy at least that @disqus_YDJhOQt4lR:disqus is back in the team. For me, it’s still *the* guy who changed the way developers were communicating with the users – instead of ignoring them.

          • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

            One word about Polish devs: I’m happy at least that @BK is back in the team. For me, it’s still *the* guy who changed the way developers were communicating with the users – instead of ignoring them.

            ‘One swallow does not make a spring’ 🙂

          • Leonardo Gomes

            I was answering your question about how Opera probably gets its srats on number of users.

          • Saskatchewan

            Opera counts their users by using Opera? That doesn’t make any sense and I cannot even see a declarative sentence there, so I don’t think you were answering my question. 🙂

            My first question to Zhenis was:

            Could you provide some real numbers and a short info about your methodology?

            As he was not able to give a comment about Opera’s market share in Poland based on Gemius’s statistics, I hoped he could clarify the matter based on the way they count their users.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Every single install of Opera has a unique id. So when Opera contacts Opera’s servers (for autoupdate or just to send statistics), they can have an idea if there are new installs or if one install is no longer connecting to the servers, meaning that Opera has probably lost an user.

            Using that and other data, i guess they can get an estimative of the number of users.

          • Saskatchewan

            That’s probably the way they do it now, but from what I remember, the unique installation id is quite new in Opera, isn’t it? The first versions, starting from 15.00, didn’t have it.

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Can’t say for sure but i don’t think so. Even Opera Presto had that unique id.
            Almost all software have it nowadays.

  • iosaddict

    Congrats! Love from Malaysia.

  • Lacedaemon

    This does not tell anything, only reports and data from independent sources matter.

    • I trust only sources I can debug 😛

      • Lacedaemon

        Joke aside :), your sources show the same amount of users in 2012 , I wouldn’t call it a reason to show off anything.
        By intentionally comparing it only to the last year it is more than clear that this is an attempt to cover the new management’s failed direction and productivity, by throwing ashes to people’s eyes who wouldn’t go to your financial reports and check the real facts.

        • All financial reports compare the same periods in the year reported and the previous one. Stop the conspiracy silliness.

  • Hunk

    Opera keeps ignoring old and loyal users and their requests. Zhenis, you are the man behind desktop strategy. Why don’t you listen them? Vivaldi gets a lot of positive reviews for some really useful features, so can you. More customization and features can make people happy again.

    • Hi, @Hunk:disqus,
      1. You cannot please anyone, especially when you have 55m in so different geographies.
      2. The loudest does not usually mean the most representative for the majority of the user base and their needs.
      3. We focus on quality, not quantity right now. We better make 1 feature, but rock solid instead 1000 with disappointing bugs everywhere.
      4. We are not going to reimplement something, what was good 10 years ago. However, we will use our heritage and expertise to build for upcoming 10 years.
      5. Keep following us, maybe we will surprise you 😉

      • Piotr Karol Żółtowski

        Total bulls**t. Vivaldi Team, which have only about 30 workers, did that, you didn’t do in two years. Do you understand that?

        • Saskatchewan

          The main A large difference is the interface. Opera builds native user interfaces for different operating systems, and Vivaldi is built using web technologies (HTML, CSS & JavaScript).

          • Lacedaemon

            Everything -except for the frame that is in native code- is HTML, CSS & Javascript in Opera as well, I’m surprised you think otherwise, https://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/08/opera-developer-25-update-from-developer-to-developer/#comment-1552568783

            added: by Sebastian Baberowski / July 4, 2013
            “At first, we also planned to build Speed Dial, Stash, Discover and so on with native code, but when seeing that the performance of our first functional web-based prototypes was excellent, we decided to go with a web-based (and hence cross-platform) UI for these parts instead. Indeed, you can open Web Inspector and see how they’re built.”
            https://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/07/the-vision-behind-opera-15-and-beyond/

          • Saskatchewan

            You’re actually right. But what I meant is more that if Opera would like to provide user interface customisability (for example moving the toolbars), add tab stacking feature, add sidebars – they would have to do it in native code.

          • Lacedaemon

            Perhaps, but as an argument to what Piotr said, well it was not the best 🙂 It’s more a matter of direction and will rather than technical.

          • plague

            Uuuuh, no, that is absolutely wrong.
            Moving toolbars is _easy_ in html/css/js.
            I’d argue it’s actually _easier_ to do in html/css/js than in native code.
            Edit: also, Vivaldi _has_ sidebar, tab stacking and ability to resize the tabs from regular tab size to full page previews. And guess how they did that? html/css/js.

          • > I’d argue it’s actually _easier_ to do in html/css/js than in native code.

            Nonsense.

          • plague

            Oh really?
            Because, you know, I actually do that for a living.

          • Which doesn’t mean that what you said makes any sense. Pick any two languages at random, google one versus the other, and you’ll find plenty of people who make a living by coding software arguing for exactly opposite stances, often with very silly arguments.

          • plague

            Fine, but you do know that html and css were built for creating UI’s, right?
            “Native code” is a bit fuzzy, does it mean C++? C#? Framework or no framework? .NET, Qt, straight Win32, Cocoa?
            Lower level languages, such as C/C++ for example, tend to require alot more code to achieve the same thing as higher-level languages.
            However lower level languages do tend to produce better performing applications, if done right. (Although things like asm.js, V8, etc, have significantly improved the performance of some high-level language applications)

            It’s a development-speed versus application-speed dilemma.

          • Saskatchewan

            Sorry, but I don’t understand what you mean.

          • plague

            I mean that user interface customizability does not have to be done in native code.
            It can be done just as easy (or in my opinion, easier) with html/css/js.

          • Saskatchewan

            Using web technologies is indeed much easier than native code. That was my point – if Opera decided to use it instead, it could add new features much quicker.

            BTW: HTML/CSS/JS can never be as fast as well-written native code.

          • taneli

            *krhm* Just pointing out that only the webview area is HTML/CSS/JS, but in Vivaldi the Browser’s whole UI is HTML/CSS/JS, meaning that users can modify how the tabs/addressbar/buttons look and behave, which is pretty nice way to theme a browser 🙂

          • Lacedaemon

            Apart from that, I don’t remember what the shell of Google Chrome is because you can have nice and real themes there (including tabs) as well, contrary to Opera that has only “background image.”

          • Jedy

            I would hope Opera are focusing on things more important than themes!

          • Vux777

            yea, but that extra layer of css styles is creating annoying delay in tabs switching and overall choppiness of the browser. Opera is far more responsive in that area (and they created their own window API, not relying on chromium default one)

          • taneli

            Oh, it’s been very snappy for me to use tbh. no slowness with tabs or anything (i did remove all the animation effects when i fiddled around with the CSS, dunno if that makes it feel better).
            And, didn’t Opera move to using Aura, and isn’t that what Chrome also uses?

          • Vux777

            yea, but they have internal management. I know that bugs in chromium window API are not reflected on Opera, and Christoph (and O devs) was mentioning that they created their own win layer.

          • Herr Pietrus

            Ok… I’m not an expert. I can believe you, but as may people said – Vivaldi have fewer workers. Opera told us hat thanks to Blink they would focus on the functionality. Even if they have to do all these things – I don’t care if I can’t do anything interesting with their own API etc. I’m still using Opera, because simple mouse gestures are enough for me as well as their SD, but because they are trying to spoil SD and because it’s only a web page… I will miss only Smart RSS when I change my browser To Chrome… 🙁
            And their beloved visual bookmarks are also available for chrome…

          • plague

            The delays are probably because it’s early in development and they likely haven’t optimized/minimized the UI code at all.
            You’d be surprised how big of a difference some optimizations and minimized js/css can make.

            Also, you do know that a ton of mobile apps have their entire UI in html/css/js, including some very high-end stuff, and they don’t have any delays or lag at all.. (yes some apps have delays, but that’s because of crappy programming, not neccesarily the technology they chose to build it with).

          • When the Opera devs revealed that the Speed Dial and internal pages were implemented in HTML, people complained loudly.

            Vivaldi does the same, and now it’s the Second Coming.

            Sheeesh.

        • Jedy

          It’s great seeing this point about Vivaldi being recycled over and over. Vivaldi may have lots of the old features but the browser is far from stable. People really need to stop boasting about it and wait for the stable release…whenever that appears.

      • Wando Schneider

        Congrats for this answer. Straight to the point. Is better add features in a slow base, but keeping the stability and performance, than throw a unusable software on the market full of “features”.

        • P0lip

          Is Firefox buggy? Not at all, it has way more features than Opera. Have a look at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XPCOM/Reference/Interface and compare them with the ones in Opera or Chrome. Do you see the difference? I’m not even talking about styling the browser… In Opera the “themes” are actually a background wallpaper.
          I hope e10s (Electrolysis) will speed up Firefox. I can’t wait to see Servo coming out…

          • Wando Schneider

            Firefox is a work in progress for many years now. The O15+ has 2 years of work, you cannot make this simple comparison of two different things.

          • P0lip

            Firefox does have their own engine, but Opera doesn’t. Opera just took Chromium, which was already fully usable, so they didn’t have to contribute as much as Google and other users had done before Opera released the 15 version.

        • Vux777

          but stability and performance of implemented feature so far is not so great… speed dial changed I-don’t-know-how-many-times, sync half baked, not to mention bookmarks hassle.. (and we’re talking about two years AFTER the initial start with ready to pack chromium engine!!!)
          what’s left?…. tabs menu, tabs preview, mouse gestures
          – m. gestures are crippled (lack of customization)
          – tabs menu and preview created more criticism than compliments

          oh…there is a “bookmarks sharing feature”… -,-

          they should ditch the chromium, make deal with MS and make browser for power users with custom extension system on their new engine (MS will make it for desperate housewives again).

          Chromiums market is satiated with I don’t know how many vendors, everyone trying to make their own “better chrome”. That’s no place for company like Opera.
          If they gonna go whoring around, let they benefit from it largely, because win-IE market is huge, and team with the background of browser developing could make real deal adding customization, extensions, etc to IE engine.

          • Herr Pietrus

            “speed dial changed I-don’t-know-how-many-times, sync half baked, not to mention bookmarks hassle.. (and we’re talking about two years AFTER the initial start with ready to pack chromium engine!!!)”

            Good point… 🙁 Fortunately they’re going to destroy SD usability with their new awesome toolbar, so….

          • pedralm

            that’s right, it’s as if Chromium is the new Linux for browsers.
            all these “flavors” and popping around…

          • bwat47

            – tabs menu and preview created more criticism than compliments

            The tab previews are one of my favorite things about the new opera. At work I often end up with many tabs open that are hard to differentiate between (all have the same favicon and same title). With the tab menu I can preview the tab before switching to it so I don’t accidentally lose my place. Working with many tabs in opera is much better than in chrome at least, chrome lacks any kind of tab menu or tab overflow.

          • Vux777

            that’s wonderful story, but doesn’t change anything from part you quoted 😉

          • bwat47

            What you said was about tab previews was anecdotal and subjective, just as what I said was, don’t kid yourself into thinking your opinion is shared by everyone 😉

          • Vux777

            I don’t.
            Many comments here were about tab preview triggering accidentally (user left mouse on tabs bar,after initial versions, previews were turned off by default) or wanting recently closed list instead of tab menu…

            you’re the one that stated “..my favorite things”, not me 😛

          • bwat47

            My post was talking about the current implementation of tab previews (previews only appearing when using the tab menu).

            All the complaints you mentioned are about the previous implementation, which as you said has already been disabled by default.

            When I use tab previews I use them from the tab menu, or with ctrl + tab (I enabled the keyboard tab previews flag), and I think it works very well.

        • Jedy

          I’ve tried Vivaldi and it seems the team have given themselves a lot of work to do to make all their features stable. At least with Opera, the basic browser has been useable from version 15 even if a little sparse in ‘features’. No one knows what the road ahead is for Vivaldi but some are too quick in singing its praises.

          • Wando Schneider

            Nailed it.

      • Hunk

        In Presto times there were 2 major flews: bugs and site compatibility. That what i remember.
        Everything else was fine. Power user had cool features and tons of options, so did people who like out of the box experience without configuration.
        Let’s take M2, if user don’t need it or don’t know about it, M2 just sit there and doesn’t spoil anything. Many features worked like M2, don’t need it – don’t use it. Everyone happy.
        Well, i can live without M2, more or less, but M2 is only 1 example. Take Sidebar, UI customization, Complex Themes, little things like zoom-bar and vertical tabs, Dragonfly was great. I miss them. Visual Bookmarks and share functionality don’t replace them.
        Why something that was good FOR 10 years became bad since Presto to Blink change.
        And i keep following Opera blogs (just used to it) but didn’t see anything interesting for ages. Sorry, but Opera from 15+ became something else, dunno why it is still called Opera.

        • Karol Wyszyński

          Exactly!
          You add functions and allow people to switch them on or switch them off
          It is simpler than downloading tons of extensions!

        • That’s not exactly true. People tend to remember things through tinted glasses. Moving a toolbar in Opera 12- was a pain in the ass, and you had to go dig into configuration files. Session management was cumbersome, and there were pages with special buttons that you could add to make it better (extensions, anyone?). Yes, you could configure your own commands, but you had to look up the syntax and there was no central place where everything was clearly delineated. Configuring M2 with a Gmail account and have it not delete the messages on the server was a cryptic process and you were assured you’d lose messages. And so on.

          Plus, even when the releases were more spaced than now, some serious bugs were introduced that you had to wait too long to get fixed. For example, I remembe one where a certain button in the interface grew until it took almost the whole screen. There were no quick fixes for this; you had to wait a month, maybe, to get the fix.

          People talk about Opera 12- as if it was a perfect browser. I loved it, but it was very far from it.

          • Stve

            What have you been smoking ?
            Moving a toolbar in Op12 was & is super easy e.g right click address bar choose customize/appearance from the context menu & tick a box.
            Sessions were very easy either using the menu its the top item tabs & windows, or the keyboard shortcut in sequence
            ” Alt t s s ”
            M2 was a piece of cake so long as you know the difference between pop & imap.

          • > What have you been smoking ?

            If you start this condescending, we’re going nowhere.

            > Moving a toolbar in Op12 was & is super easy e.g right click address bar choose customize/appearance from the context menu & tick a box.

            Oh yeah? And the bookmark bar? Is it the Bookmarks bar or the Personal bar? One of them goes above the address bar, the other goes below. You can have both, but which are you modifying? You have to edit an .ini file and play with integers. I’m talking about TOOLBARS, not the ADDRESS BAR.

            > Sessions were very easy either using the menu its the top item tabs & windows, or the keyboard shortcut in sequence
            ” Alt t s s ”

            That’s USING a session. I’m talking about MANAGING sessions.

            > M2 was a piece of cake so long as you know the difference between pop & imap.

            You must be joking. Someone had to write a tutorial instructing you to disable almost every special feature of Gmail and then follow a very specific series of steps so that you could use it with M2 and still be able to access all your messages via the Web interface. If you fucked up a single step, you’d lose messages.

          • plague

            Really, your argument about the toolbars is bordering ridiculous.

            You’re telling me, that because of your _one_ very specific scenario where you had to edit an .ini file in order to move an entire toolbar, his (and my) “memory” about how easy and simple it was to _customize_ the toolbars _and_ addressbar in Opera 12 are somehow wrong?

            His arguments were spot on, it IS incredibly easy to customize the toolbars and addressbar in Opera 12.

            It _might_ not be _as_ easy to _move_ an entire toolbar, but in Opera 15+ you can’t do _any_ customization.

            In Opera 12 you can very easily create and add custom input boxes on pretty much any toolbar you want, and you can move every button and icon and separator and other UI element around any way you want, or remove pretty much any UI element you want aswell.

            In Opera 15+, you can’t even reorder the extension buttons.

            THAT is a BIG difference, and THAT is an area where Opera 15+ REALLY lacks in “Quality” versus Opera 12.

          • I am the one who mentioned the difficulty of MOVING a toolbar. He replied with a different thing (customizing a toolbar, which is not the same as moving it) and now you accuse me of missing his point?

            The Internet is truly marvelous sometimes.

          • plague

            Uh, I know you’re the one mentioning the difficulty of moving a toolbar. That’s what I said.
            But your initial argument implied that customization in Opera 12 was not as simple as people tend to remember, and that simply is not true.

          • I stand for what I’ve said, not for what people understand. Everything I wrote is literally true.

          • plague

            Stve’s arguments were true aswell.
            Moving a toolbar in Opera 12 _is_ incredibly easy. But not _all_ toolbars in Opera 12 are easy to move.
            There is a difference there.

          • sgrandin

            Whoever said what, moving a toolbar in Opera 12, beginning to end, involves either about 1) one right click, one left click, dragging and dropping with a mouse, and a left click, or 2) one right click and four left clicks. I imagine there are more complicated ways to do it or some users have more specialized needs that require more, but that’s hardly the case for the vast majority.

          • Well, first you need to know which toolbar it is.

            There were actually two bookmark toolbars in Opera 12-, one of which went above the address bar, and the other below it.

            So, to “move” the bookmark bar above or below the address bar, you couldn’t do what you say. You had to deselect a toolbar and select another (via manipulation of a text file).

            If the toolbar you wanted to move was not visible, you had to check an option to show ALL THE POSSIBLE TOOLBARS in the program, which was a mess.

            Also, there was a bug where moving an invisible toolbar made it visible in all tabs you had open in the session once you accepted the move.

            So, it was cumbersome, buggy, error prone, idiosincratic, and not nearly as seamless as people like to remember it.

          • Stve

            I suggest you head over to https://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=12.16 & download Opera 12 , you can install it as a portable (standalone) & refresh your memory.
            To move a toolbar in Opera12 right click on any toolbar or speedial background & choose appearance or use the keyboard shortcut Shift + F12 . In the Appearance box select the Toolbars tab .
            You then click on any toolbar to edit its properties
            the first option is Placement from the drop down list you can choose Top , Bottom , Left ,Right & Off.
            You also have useful options for Style & Wrapping.

            e.g right click on the bookmarks bar & select appearance the box opens with the toolbar tab & bookmarks bar already selected then its just 3 mouse clicks one for the drop down list next click on the position you want & finally
            make sure you click on OK
            With practise even the most ham fisted should be able to change a Toolbars position in 3 seconds.

          • I have Opera 12.17 installed and running, and I have verified this before writing, unlike some of you. Please reread the description of what happens when you do that, in all my other comments. I’m starting to believe that you’re unable to understand simple texts.

          • Stve

            Is the Personal Bar still supported with Opera 12 ?
            how do I get it to show up.
            If you really work at it its possible to really screw up any browser.

          • Getting it to show up is so complicated that I don’t remember anymore. You have to mess with toolbar.ini.

            It seems unfair to claim that Presto Opera’s strength is its customizability and then complain that you can screw up the browser “if you really work at it” when all you want to do is to perform the advertised action of putting a toolbar above instead of below the address bar, or viceversa.

            I love Opera Presto, I still use it sometimes, and I wish some of its features would come back. But I don’t see it through rosy glasses. Some aspects of it were a royal mess, and I’ve pointed at three of them. Clear as water.

          • Stve

            It’s really hard to make something idiot proof & provide plenty of options at the same time.

          • Stve

            In Opera 12’s Menu there is a Toolbars heading mouse over it & a sub menu appears with 7 toolbars listed including the Address bar.

            IF OPERA CALLS THE ADDRESS BAR A TOOLBAR who am I to argue.

            There is no Personnel bar in the Appearance box its a legacy toolbar I know for a time you could have it alongside the bookmark bar… I don’t think its possible to have a Personal Bar with OP12 if you tick show hidden Toolbars while customizing it doesn’t show up.

            “> Sessions were very easy either using the menu its the top item tabs & windows, or the keyboard shortcut in sequence

            ” Alt t s s ”

            That’s USING a session. I’m talking about MANAGING sessions.”

            SO just use Alt t s m & you get a pretty little box called Manage Sessions where you can open or delete a session.

            As for M2 yes there was a time adding gmail was more complicated but I at least am talking about Opera 12
            where adding gmail is very easy.

          • Do you realize you haven’t really addressed any of my points?

            1. Of course the Personal Bar is not in the dialog box. That’s why I repeatedly pointed out that you need to edit a text file if you want to have your bookmarks below the address bar instead of above.

            2. Open or delete. You can’t add or delete individual URLs from there. You have to open the whole list of tabs and then close each one, resave the session and confirm (because it’s a test file). If you want to, say, just move a tab from one session to another, you have to perform several steps. It’s a cumbersome, error prone way to manage sessions.

            3. I know Gmail can be added. I never said it could. I said it was hard to configure it so that you won’t lose any messages when you use it via the Web page.

            Please, try to pay some attention to what I wrote if you are going to reply again.

          • Stve

            I don’t think there is a personal bar any more its just you screwing around with the Bookmarks bar & running into problems .. sorta like someone with Opera 29 opening opera:flags & getting into a pickle.

            Sessions work fine for me I have never wanted to move an URL from my flower arranging session to my survivalist session , sometimes after opening a session I will end up with more tabs open I want to save … takes a couple of seconds.

          • > I don’t think there is a personal bar any more its just you screwing around with the Bookmarks bar & running into problems

            So you’re just a troll, eh? I should have noticed earlier. I’ll ignore you from now on. Have a nice day.

        • pedralm

          Dude, i even miss Opera Unite !

      • Shion

        1. Actually you can. You just don’t want to. If you wanted to, you’d never let Vivaldi catch up with you so fast.
        2. So then instead of listening to loudest ones you choose not to listen at all. Many people weren’t even loud about that bottom line at speeddial. They were just many. And right. But you didn’t listen. You didn’t even read.
        3. Quality features. It took you a year to add bookmarks and they are still far away from “quality” you speak of. And instead of polishing it, you experiment with a feature only you think all those 55mil wants. I don’t want to share my porn collection links. Nor do I want to share my hostings control panel URL’s or servers logs pages. And I don’t want to share photos of my family, kittens, parrot and guinea pigs via Opera, cuz I have tons of social and bookmarking sites for that already. I just want a proper bookmarks, god damn it. And I’m not even loud about it. I’m actually whispering right now.
        4. No, please. Don’t tell you’re going to waste 10 year just to catch up to everything Presto was able to do. I can’t wait so long. Noone can. Noone will. I mean, Vivaldi is almost here.
        5. Or… or was that your plan all along…? Your so called surprise? You.. you!? Argh!

        • Vivaldi is definitely *not* almost there.

          And I do want to share certain bookmark sets. The browser itself beats any other possible sharing platform.

          Speak for yourself, please.

          • Shion

            I don’t speak for all 55 millions but I do speak for myself and 13 other people who upvoted my post. And now we officialy have 14 people who doesn’t want sharing and 3 who does. Anymore votes? Anyone else wants to have badass bookmarks sharing feature instead of having bookmarks and speeddial to work properly and also doesn’t want having all your passwords be actually protected with something first? Anyone?

          • Shion

            Good find. Them developers would be happy to know what they’ve actually done.

          • Karol Wyszyński

            That calls, my friend, choice – some of us wants, some of us does not want. And that’s why it should be implemented to give US choice if I want to share or not.
            Same staff if I want some bar on the top of screen, or on the bottom of screen. If I want to side panel or if I don’t want to.
            Be afraid that in version 31 they will decide to rid of bookmark share because they will say that it is out of fashion or something… It can really happen with this browser 😉

          • pedralm

            add features/options = menus + settings = scare basic users.

            Opera needs dummy users (they’re like 90% of users).

      • pytajnik

        So you are telling me, that you are NOT going to implement full synchronization because it was good 10 years ago? Guys, you were ahead of your time back then, you had everything in your browser that made it special, innovative, now Opera is the only browser that’s missing fundamental features such as… yeah – a synchronization. and I bet you forgot about that stupid thing called “notes”.

        • JP_Porter

          I didn’t use Notes in O12. Playing around with Vivaldi I tried them out and wondered how I lived without them before! I would LOVE to see Notes back in Opera – and not as yet another extension.

          • pedralm

            actually “Notes” is one of the things that I desperately need and rage against Opera for that.

            I mean they have the know-how to Sync, they still have Opera Link up and running, why oh WHY are we still discussing this and don’t have a basic side tab?

            Is Evernote paying you or something?
            Sidebar with Notes was such a fundamental thing in Opera…. geeez….

      • JP_Porter

        “1. You cannot please anyone, especially when you have 55m in so different geographies.”

        That is such a great typo! Indeed, from the reactions here, you didn’t please *anyone* in those early days, and are barely better now!

        My main concern with the new Opera definitely isn’t the lack of integrated mail, autoupdates, high DPI support, and all that. It’s that, as you mention here, you’re making a browser for the future. It seems, though, that you’re forgetting that many ideas that were good ten years ago, are good today. And some of those will continue to be good ideas ten years from now.

        I have moved on from Opera for my day to day browsing (no, not to Vivaldi). One of the big reasons I did was that in the early days of new Opera, the team said something to the effect of, “We can’t implement those things you love and change the rendering engine underneath. We need to start from scratch.” Well, my new day-to-day browser uses Blink underneath and has a pile of the “old ideas” that I rely on built right in. No add ons required.

        I keep coming back here to see what’s changed because I loved Opera. I try some of the new releases, and have so far found them lacking. I hope that some day Opera again becomes a *customizable* full-featured browser, so I can click on that big red O and be happy I did.

        If you’re looking for concrete feedback, how’s this: give the user more options. Let the user customize the look and feel of the browser.

        • pedralm

          I think when you start saying things like “let the user decide” it goes against the simplicity and consistency Opera is trying to go for right now.
          I think Opera is now afraid that anything that starts to look too complex (e.g. features and feature options and menus) will actually scare away the basic users who will say “oh I want nothing of that, way too complex for me”.
          Opera is trying to snatch users from basic browsers into their own basic browser by offering stability and eye-candyness.

          Of course in the process they lose everyone else who likes a feature-rich browser, but for them it seems the trade-off is positive.

  • Dima S

    Excuse me, but I think the recent drop in Opera’s share price of 40% (which is almost half the company’s value) reflects the prospects a little better than this post.

    • Saskatchewan

      That’s interesting – do you know what’s the reason of such a massive drop?

      • Dima S

        I haven’t had enough time to check, but the company had a net loss in 4Q2014 and wrote down the value of Skyfire, which they bought some time ago. However, it seems to me that it was a one time effect and company will probably return to being profitable in the coming quarter.

    • Stock market is stock market. It has its own rules. I am not sure if we should discuss it on the technical blog.

      You can find the full information on the investors’ site: http://www.operasoftware.com/company/investors

  • Leonardo Gomes

    Congrats, people.

  • Utkarsh Sharma

    Congratulations

  • No

    Not bad for a Chrome skin factory.

  • Lacedaemon

    Financial Report of 2011: 57 million Opera desktop users
    Financial Report of 2012: 55 million Opera desktop users

    What’s the big deal here and the deliberate marketing show? You are just at 2012 levels.

    By intentionally comparing it only to the last year it is more than clear that this is an attempt to cover the new management’s failed direction and productivity, by throwing ashes to uninformed people’s eyes who wouldn’t go to your financial reports and check the real facts.

    • Marko Koivuniemi

      Big deal could be that switch away from Presto was after all right decision because negative trend has been now turned around.

      • Lacedaemon

        With one big difference, the negative trend was not a result of external factors. They self-shooted themselves in the foot and are trying to recover, to the external viewer this is irrelevant, 55 millions in 2012, 55 millions in 2015. But trying to present it to the uninformed like a huge growth is pitiful.

    • reesmichael1

      Agreed. This post has the suspicious smell of damage control in the wake of the Vivaldi release–and that’s coming from someone who’s defended Opera frequently in the past two years. (Do you realize it’s been two years since the announcement that Opera was stopping work on Presto?!? My, how time flies–and there’s relatively little to show for it.)

    • oic

      If you have 55 million monthly users in 2014 and it was a 8% growth that must mean you had ~51 million monthly users for 2013? 2013 was the year opera moved to version15

      so assuming this number is correct

      Financial Report of 2011: 57 million Opera desktop users

      Financial Report of 2012: 55 million Opera desktop users

      2013: You lost 4 million, to 51 million

      2014: You gained 4 million, to 55 million

  • Alugandula Saikiran

    I still wondered I am unable to synchronise my bookmarks on various devices?

    • siamak

      because Bookmark Sharing is more important :(((

  • Olli

    Great marketing article. Seems you are really in fear about Vivaldi and losing power users.

    • pedralm

      I think you can even remove “power” from that sentence.

  • oic

    According to wiki, Opera software have 1k employee in 2013. How many ppl now work there and how many are software dev working on opera desktop

  • oic

    If you have 55 million monthly users in 2014 and it was a 8% growth that must mean you had ~51 million monthly users for 2013? 2013 was the year opera moved to version15

    • Herr Pietrus

      ups… it was supposed to be a success….Don’t spoil it!

    • Marko Koivuniemi

      Desktop user amount was already declining when Presto was used – so trend change has been done using Blink. Financial report: “By the end of 2012, the number of desktop users was approximately 55 million, down 4% versus the end of 2011.” So It’s good achievement after starting from cratch to get more users and change the course.

  • Wraith

    It seem that I’m the only one using Opera in my country lol XD, in fact my family used Opera because of Me and they love it.
    Congratulations!

    • @Wraith:disqus, Thanks!
      What country are you from?

      • Wraith

        Nicaragua!

    • pedralm

      “used”?
      As in “no longer uses” ?

      • Wraith

        Sorry my mistake, “they use it everyday”-

  • alayli

    When people using Opera, thinking they are using Chrome.

    My grandpa couldn’t find difference between Chrome & Opera. Oh, there’s speed dial, of course. But her eyes, you know, not so good.

    • Licaon_Kter

      Did you get your grandpa a 4K display? Opera >15 is the only one that shines on HiDPI screens, the difference should be in the eyes of the beholder, or so I heard.. 😀

      @Zhenis Beisekov: BTW, talking about “noisy minorities that keep asking for lost features”, do share how many of those 55mil are using resolutions higher than 1920×1080, pls, 10q.

      • alayli

        Today, I bought 4K TV. Nope. Just said color thing. And I replied: “it’s a theme.”

    • Nik

      “my grandpa” … “her eyes” … dude what?

      • ayespy

        Not a native English speaker. That’s all.

      • alayli

        I’m not native speaker, and I was bit high. Fixed now. Let’s increase version number by adding +1. 🙂

  • sgrandin

    I notice what’s not said:
    1) Is that 55m all O15+ or include 12.17 and earlier? If not the latter, what’s the breakdown?
    2) What were the numbers before O15+?

    • Lacedaemon

      2) 55 Million in 2012 according to their financial report.

      • sgrandin

        Does “unique users” double count those who use both 12 and 15+? Since 12 can’t keep up with the programming of certain sites, I use 12.17 but often have the latest beta open, or open it with an icon on 12’s toolbar.

        • Karol Wyszyński

          @Lacedaemon could some one tell me how it is counted?
          I cannot imagine that in PL is so many users of Opera 😛 I feel rather unique in my work with this browser!

          • pedralm

            And when they ask you “why Opera” what do you respond?
            Nowadays I just shrug to that. I really have no arguments. What it does is the same (or less) than what their Chrome does.
            I used to love that question when I had O12 in front of me…

  • pytajnik

    “We added many super useful features” yeah, this is where I stopped my reading. Maybe instead SUPER useful features you’re going to give features that actually are useful like synchronization across all devices, like notes? and by synchronization I didn’t mean bookmarks only.

    • siamak

      But we have bookmark sharing 😀

      • aminiesta

        That is super hyper feature. 🙂

      • Karol Wyszyński

        Would you like change your bookmark with me? I have all 151 and my pokedex is waiting for new one 😛

  • bercike

    Come on guys u are at version 29 and still there s no smooth scrolling and sync is only partial! Its impossible to move ur passwords if u reput ur Windows. That means all ur passwords are lost. Speed dial just blinks , selecting text is a nightmare, instead of trash icon we got an useless tab button. And yes we can share bookmarks lol.

    • siamak

      Yes sharing bookmark is sooooooo Important 😀

    • bwat47

      you can blame chromium on no smooth scrolling. its being worked on but progress has been slow: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=575#c134

      pretty silly considering how ‘modern’ chromium is that it seemingly wasn’t built with smooth scrolling in mind in the slightest.

  • Tommy

    Does this mean that the endless “Loading…” problem is resolved?

  • Tommy

    Well… I wonder how many users updated their Opera 12 version accidentally when they got the message that there’s a new version.

  • Martin Falke

    Hi, Congratulations Opera Team, good work, keep it up 😉
    how big are the chances of customizable skins?

    sry. for my english.. 😀

    • Karol Wyszyński

      seriously? 😛

    • pedralm

      I’d say chances for that are 0%.

  • ruduh

    Congratulations !!! 😉

  • Great to see USA is growing fast! I’m in love with Opera again but DO look forward to seeing features that Google ignores. I love delayed tab loading and would really like some of of tab organization options, whether that be stacking or more like Firefox does it with tab groups (which is great, but slows Firefox down big time!)

    • Karol Wyszyński

      Everyone would like to have some personalization in Opera, but what I learnt here, is that it is not good for users. 55 mln users doesn’t want to stack tabs, to move bars etc. Users wants simplicity! Users loves to looks the same. To not have advanced choices. Users should be moved to North Korea to be uniformed (I know bad joke). But does it work like it? Many ppl in this forum think so. I also like new Opera, but I am missing many of options from old one. And we do not know if they are going to return it. Currently they are working with version 30 -> new speed dial and farther bugs changes (in old times it would call not version 30, but xx.30)

      • pedralm

        What I can’t understand is that if those 55 million people just want tabs and … whatever else basic users want… why are they using Opera? Why not IE, Firefox or Chrome, the most obvious choices? What does Opera have to offer them that others don’t?

  • ayespy

    Congratulaions on the turnaround.

  • dflyra

    What a debate! O12 vs O15+ –
    We have two cars: One with GPS, back camera, automatic headlights & windshield cleaners, 8 airbags, 5+1 sound system, clima system, trip computer etc.
    The other with just the basics, but you can add systems one by one from different manufacturers not entirely embodied and not fully working together.
    The obvious choice is the first, obvious if you don’t look under the hood: The first is 1.2 lts engine & 70 hp, the second 2.2 lts engine & 220 hp.
    The first takes you comfortably wherever you want to go but in twice the time the second needs.
    Now, what is your choice? The obvious answer: The second, provided that you cannot develop the first. And why not develop the first? Because human & financial resources are needed that cannot be afforded. The strong engine is free and developed by everybody, they just have to add the final touch, the innovations & the character they want to preserve, the different looks and – finally – wrap everything up, in a presentable & unique package.
    And voila! here is the executive decision! Is that decision correct? The answer is not immediate. We must wait for some more time: with every decision we lose something, we earn something but let’s wait for the balance after the dust settles down.
    As for me, I use Opera for ages and will continue to do so.

    • Wando Schneider

      This is a reasonable explanation from someone who sees the big picture. Congrats!

      • Karol Wyszyński

        It is just reminding me speach on forum from people from Warhammer Online (someone would say that clone of World of Warcraft). Some advance users were saying how to improve game, they were giving points what is missing, what could make game better, but Mythic was not taking them at all into consideration. Mythic’s devs were popping massages similar to Opera’s devs now and people like you Wando or dflyra (I would say calm and patience) were saying that devs must know what they do, they see bigger picture, they will improve the game just, because tons of work and money were spent on this project. So because of this changes (or rather small modification similar like we have right now in Opera 15+ – new numbers are coming and no new features) made that more and more people were starting to abandon that ship. But they didn’t care – they were telling, look we offer now you this new look of herbs and mounts. And time was passing
        And you know what now? Now Warhammer Online is not existing any more
        I do not wish anyone to have this failure, but in my country we are saying that history likes to be repeated 🙂

        • Wando Schneider

          You can guarantee that, if Warhammer developers would have listening the “Advanced Users who knows everything”, Warhammer online could be like WoW by now? I don’t know what the future reserves, but sometime hard decisions need to be made. Nokia is an example of a company that didn’t make the hard choice, and is almost dead right now. Only time will tell.

    • Shion

      “We must wait for some more time: with every decision we lose something, we earn something but let’s wait for the balance after the dust settles down.” – don’t you think that would look brilliant on your tombstone? I certainly will write that on mine. Noone could describe this situation any better. Really. Good job.

    • Lacedaemon

      And then comes Vivaldi using that same strong free engine and being powered by those people who made all the innovations of Opera Presto, and crashes with one strike your hopeless waiting and both Operas, the abandoned and the shadow of the original.

      • Wando Schneider

        “[…] crashes with one strike […]” Can be Vivaldi’s slogan for now 🙂

        • Lacedaemon

          Never crashed on two different machines, Vista x32 and W7x64. And it’s still in alpha. I’m using it for days and everything is beyond awesome. From the one click access to any recent tab, to the very helpful thumbnail previews which don’t get in my face, to one click of renaming a SD folder, and being already faster and snappier than Opera, plus all the other things that are worked on, Vivaldi is amazing. And the coloring of the tab accordingly to the webpage’s color is one of the most clever and innovating ideas I’ve seen for many years in the browser business.

          • Wando Schneider

            Be my guest to use! Be happy and stop being a hater here.

          • Lacedaemon

            As a reminder, I don’t like “friendly suggestions” from nobody, especially from fanbois.

          • Wando Schneider

            In your world there’s only two types of guys: Those who agree with you, and the fanboys.

          • Lacedaemon

            No there are people who can be constructive and critical and those who can’t. By your posts so far, you are in the second category.

          • Wando Schneider

            I’m Sorry that, so far, I let you down. Starting today, I’ll do my best to please you.

          • Lacedaemon

            I wish you the best.

    • II_ARROWS

      The obvious answer is the first: just change the engine.
      Since no after market company ever made any GPS, back camera, automatic headlights & windshield cleaners, 8 airbags, 5+1 sound system, clima system or trip computer.

      The second option is a 220 HP engine, but you freeze in the winter, can’t see in the night, can’t hear anything, and you need to use a compass and a paper map.

      • pedralm

        But they DID change the engine, right?
        From Presto to Chromium? 😀
        However the engine supplier said “ok, if you want our engine, you will also have to remove the gps, back camera, auto headlights, airbags, etc etc etc”.
        And when that happened… there was no more Car 1. There were only two cars type 2… they were only called different: Operauto and Chromauto. The old car was completely gone.
        Then came Vivaldauto! Oh behold!

    • The Solutor

      People who need a basic car has already an huge amount of choices and most of them are sold by big companies.

      Trying to fight such companies on their battlefield is just futile and pointless.

      A niche car, plenty of features, or of original optionals, can sell very well even on a crowed market (if properly advertised and supported).

      What Opium is going to face (and for me was pretty clear even before the O15 release) is to disappoint the old users w/o being able to attract the newer ones.

      And it’s a pity for most of the parts involved.

      The company itself, its employers, its historical user base and even the whole market. Because a REAL competition is the seed of the evolution.

  • It can also browse the web!

  • Daniel Carvalho

    Let’s see how many of your imaginary fri- I mean, “millions of users” keep using Opera once Vivaldi releases a stable version!

    • Marko Koivuniemi

      Using Opera since 5.x hasn’t been blocking me to use sometimes Chrome/IE/FF – so I doubt that Vivaldi will make a difference and Opera will collapse. Vivaldi has a lot of potential – but no more than Opera.

      • pedralm

        Well the difference is that now you know where Opera is going, right? We expected ever since O12 ended that we’d be gradually seeing those features coming back to O15+, but the reality is quite different, as the company’s focus is now bookmarks (their “super feature”) and playing around with SD and bar placements.

        Vivaldi on the other hair has a much more ambitious roadmap. It holds and delivers our hopes for O12’s features. And they certainly made it; at least feature-wise, it is richer than Opera. Still not as stable, but at least we know the direction of each.

        You just have to decide what you want from the browser you use.

        Opera will not collapse as they are attacking many other markets and doing well there and will certainly get more money from there than from the browser.

        But I believe that a significant portion of current Opera’s users will shift to Vivaldi, because the reason why they (we) were still around is hope. Hope that O15+ will improve to O12 levels. We shifted to Opera because of features, didn’t we? Or else we would’ve stayed with Firefox or Netscape.

        When that hope was fulfilled, it came from the old Opera, not the new. But the “promised land” is here, and the exodus will happen.

    • Gav

      Yawn…

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Opera and Vivaldi are aiming a different public each.

      • sbs73000

        Yep, not wrong. Many O12 users, here, who want O15+ to be like the old one with (useless) features like IRC or torrent client, etc.

        But let’s talk about… my mother ! She is the new public aimed by Opera : wants access to the web with a bookmark manager, an adblocker and that’s all. So, basic user (not pejorative). And what does basic user want ? UI stability (aesthetically speaking). Is Opera stable from that point of view ? First change : O12 to O15. O15 with his SD bookmarks (new revolutionary concept) and Stash. Then, Stash disappeared, SD became… a real SD and a (real) bookmark manager was added. SD appearance could be coast-like or not. With this, there was a navbar : first, it was at the top, then on the left, then at the bottom.

        And you know what ? My mother, the new Opera public, was fed up of those perpetual changes. So, Opera was so perfect for her that I had to install her Firefox. Sounds a little ironic…

        • Daniel Carvalho

          As you said, many users here are O12 users! Power users! And the only reason we kept coming here was in hopes Opera would go back to catering for the power users! You want a basic browser that works? Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer are there for those people.

          Opera was born to cater for those who wanted to customize their browser to no end, always improving its performance and options. It was light, so even the most basic computer could run without any problems, yet had so many functions and customizing options one could not help but me amazed by it.

          The problem here is that, for more than a decade, Opera was catering for this particular group, and being successful at it. Then, all of a sudden, we have a U-turn and power users are abandoned completely! It’s like Nintendo and the Wii U: all of its consumers were asking for Zelda, Metroid and F-Zero, but all Nintendo did was Wii Sports, Wii Fit and family friendly party games to cater to the casual, which ultimately led them to 3 years of losses (the company passed 30 years without a single year in loss before that); if gamers wanted real games, they had to move on to PC, or rival consoles. Their situation only changed when they announced and released the games their public have been asking for, and realized the casual market not only had much cheaper choices since the Wii U was the most expensive, but also realized the casual market isn’t loyal!

          It’s the same thing with Opera! I wouldn’t be exaggerating if I said half of its current user base is composed of people who still cling to that hope that Opera 12 functions will come back. Those users have spent the last 2 years telling Opera developers what they want, only to be ignored, and now that Vivaldi is out, we’re telling Opera “hey, watch out or you might lose us”. It’s the exact same situation! Except at this point I don’t expect Opera to do anything about the matter.

          In conclusion, I don’t believe Vivaldi is going to affect people like your mother, who just want the basic of basic. But people who come to this blog, as well as the rest of the power users who compose those 55 millions won’t stick to Opera anymore. Once Vivaldi goes stable, expect those number to drop to 30 millions or so.

          • sbs73000

            I kind of agree what you wrote. I don’t define me as a power user like you, nor as a basic user like my mother : just the kind of user who likes flexibility. So, I considerably prefer O12 than O15+, but I came to terms (with a lot of frustration) with this new Chromium-based browser which needs tons of extensions and is handicapped by strange decisions (guys, you obviously don’t know where to put the navbar, so let the choice to the user !)

            Actually, I just ask myself who is the target of the new Opera. Power users ? Definitely not, you explained why. Basic users ? No, because they want UI stability (from that point of view, Opera is in its alpha version !). Flexible users ? Failed. The problem, currently, is that the transitional stage is very very long (two years soon) and doesn’t help to define the new Opera identity. So, everyone here is sat between two stools, power like basic like flexible users, and critics are massively negative. And commercial announcement like this one (we have 55 million users and you, blog followers, are only a tiny part of them, so we won’t listen to you — am I exaggerating ?) doesn’t help.

            In other words : what a mess !

          • Daniel Carvalho

            I couldn’t have said it better! It’s just a mess! From the looks of it, it doesn’t like Opera is trying to cater to a specific public, rather trying to mimic what other more famous browsers (like Chrome) are doing, but without understanding why they do what they do!

            And they always come up with those millions of users as an excuse to not listen to direct feedback as if we were merely a small fraction that’s discontent, while all the other users are actively telling how happy they are with the service – those “millions of users” are not giving feedback, how can they know?! Yes, we are a small fraction that comes here, but we are the only feedback I know of they receive! And they just ignore that!

            You’re 100% correct! Opera is just a mess right now!

          • pedralm

            I’m actually curious to see Opera’s press releases on the new “millions of users” once Vivaldi goes stable.
            I really am.

  • jasonx

    I don’t want to use a chrome reskin under the name of opera. Give us back the old 12.6 features.

    • Nik

      go for Vivaldi browser than, it’s still in beta but it has all the features you loved in old opera

      • Wando Schneider

        Yep. Go to another Chrome reskin with a different name 😀

        • Vivaldi is not going to be just a reskin. It is based on Chromium, but tries to implement all the features people loved to use in opera 12 and older.

  • Fourtyacres

    is there an easy way to transfer from ff bookmark bar to opera’s bookmark bar?
    also from ff fast dial to opera’s speed dial. If i have to transfer one at a time i’ll dump opera I’ve got too many sites to do that.

    • You could export your Firefox bookmarks as HTML and import them in Opera, e.g. with a bookmark extension if the default bookmark manager does not allow this. Then you would have to drag & drop folders and bookmarks into the Opera bookmarks bar to sort them. Decide for yourself if that is an easy way or not. 😉

      I just went the opposite road and exported my Opera bookmarks to HTML and imported them in Firefox. Had to drag & drop as well, because the Opera extension does not support nested folders, but I am happy that I have finally done this after reviewing and cleaning them up. At the moment Firefox is my standard browser, because it works better with its Flash plugin, offers a very good add-on to simulate the Speed Dial page of Opera called New Tab Tool and is able to sync bookmarks between browsers and devices. Last but not least it works faster than Opera 27 stable on this old IBM Thinkpad notebook. I wish there was an extension to scrobble from streaming sites to Last.fm as good as the Last.fm web scrobbler for Chrome and Opera, but you can’t have it all, can you? 😉

  • II_ARROWS

    Opera 12 is my way to browser, and now Vivaldi too.
    You are so improving your browser, that an ALPHA has already more than you offer in your shiny new product, without anything that makes Opera 12 (the old product) so good.

    • Nekomajin43

      But this browser works, while Vivaldi is buggy and lags. So neither of them is perfect.

      • II_ARROWS

        It’s a alpha… while this is… Opera “29”.

        • Nekomajin43

          No one cares what it is called. The only thing matters is for how long are they being developed. We don’t know for sure when they started to work on Vivaldi, but it must be month, but maybe over a year.

          • II_ARROWS

            Yes, it’s one year, since they left Opera.
            And the “new” Opera it’s been in the works for 3-4 years.

            And if you don’t care what is called, you should shut up and check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle

          • Nekomajin43

            The announcement of the engine switch was in february 2013, exactly 2 years ago. The first 15 build came out at the end of may, while 12.10 (the last build with new features) was released in november 2012. So it’s a little more than 2 years, very far from 3-4 years.

            That release cycle is not a standard. It changed over the years, and it changed when Google started to use the current browser numbering system. So, no one should care about how a build is called. The only thing what matters is the amount of working hours spent on the product.

            Anyway, just use Vivaldi, and be happy.

          • II_ARROWS

            First: you don’t announce something when you decide it, you already have planned it and already have something in your hands.

            Second: new Opera is available as STABLE, Vivaldi is not.
            I don’t know what you mean by “standard”, but when you build something, you always pass through test, even if you use the crazy numbering system introduced by Chrome that completely looses it’s purpose.

          • Nekomajin43

            First: It is exactly what I said. Do the math.

            Second: It is stable because they don’t work on many features at the same time like Vivaldi does. It is a difference in concept. You don’t have to like it, but now you have an alternative choice, so there is really no need to anger yourself.

          • pedralm

            Come on, guys!
            Let’s not argue here 🙂

            If you like a reddish-tinted Chrome, use Opera.
            If you like Opera 12, use Vivaldi.

          • Nekomajin43

            It is exactly what I am talking about.

          • Yes, it’s one year, since they left Opera.

            Actually it is longer than that for several of them and about half the team never worked at Opera, so your timescale might be off. I have no idea when they begun down the route of working on a browser but then (unless you have insider knowledge), neither do you.

            And the “new” Opera it’s been in the works for 3-4 years.

            Whatever gave you that idea?

          • ayespy

            Most of the data on their site would indicate they’ve been under development for about a year and a half.

          • Saskatchewan

            @ayespy @Ruarí Ødegaard One of the Vivaldi employees said that the actual development started about a half year before the first release. Before that they have had to choose what engine to use and gather a team.

          • ayespy

            I see.

          • Nekomajin43

            If it is true, it is an impressive job.

          • Interesting, is there a link to this comment?

            I am just surprised that nobody mentioned it to me if that is true (and publicly stated). I actually speak some people from Vivaldi regularly. It may surprise you you know that I (and other people in Opera) have friends there. In fact, still go to lunch with Olli from time to time.

          • Saskatchewan

            There’s just a single comment on the Russian forums: https://vivaldi.net/forum/russian/1364-vivaldi-otter#12666

          • Ah, Ilya says this. Thanks for the link.

  • Maximka

    Opera Software has choosen wrong way since they start developing new Opera without good old functions from Opera 12. No one cares on bookmarks, if the browser doesn’t meet your needs. Yes, now I’m using Opera, but I will go to the Vivaldi when RTM will be published. Surely, I rescpect all the programers that working in current Opera, but not heads of company that choosen wrong way with shit bookmarks.

    • Nekomajin43

      I like the visual bookmarks, and while I miss some small features from it, I am happy with this bookmarks manager. And if I’m correct, the whole feature is developed by only one person, so it really does not take away the resources from other features.

      • Lacedaemon

        “it really does not take away the resources from other features”
        lol like what? HTML5 support and installers? Or the size of fonts, the position of “le grandiose Navigation Bar”, the thumbnails size of Speed Dial, the background images called “themes” and… … wait there is no more… there never has been anyway…

        • @aiphed:disqus I’d personally, really appreciate it if you could tone it down (just a notch) with the sarcasm and occasional hostility. Your own feelings have been made abundantly clear, multiple times. This blog is for feedback, yes but it should be a civil place, so try to remain positive in your replies.

          However, if you are really that unhappy, it is OK, you don’t have to use Opera (no reason to upset yourself). There will be no hard feelings our side. In fact a few of us have a soft spot for you, since you have raised some genuine issues alongside your complaints. 😀

          In addition, there are plenty of others who do like the new Opera or do you genuinely believe that all 55 million of our users hate us? 😉

          • Lacedaemon

            In fact a few of us have a soft spot for you, since you have raised some genuine issues alongside your complaints. 😀

            Thanks 🙂 Glad to having helped.

            “occasional”, that’s right 🙂 But not unjustified in some cases.

          • Ok, maybe a bit more than “occasional” but hey, I am not going to ask you to be polite if I can’t do it myself. 😀

  • cristianer

    When will you add Argentina to the list of Discover?

  • By the way, does Disqus have a feature to hide comments with certain key words like Vivaldi or Opera 12?

    • LOL. There are too many here indeed. I guess we have been letting them go because we prefer not heavily moderate. But you are correct, this is the Opera blog, it would be nice if people could control themselves (just a little bit) and stick on topic.

      • Frode P. Bergsager

        If you had told us 20 months ago that none of the missing features of original Opera would be reimplemented in new Opera we would stop wasting our time reading Opera blogs.
        Since you have not told us so we still cling to the hope that we can one day say yes to the “Update Opera”-question.

        Adding a “We’re working on…” list would be appreciated, along with a timeframe (for example Q2 2015).

  • Fulerenic

    Guys,you can deduct me. After 9 years with Opera, I’m experimenting with Chrome now (and there is still Opera 12.17 on my desktop). OK, maybe the old Opera had too many features, I used only few of them. But I absolutely love left side panel with bookmarks. It’s really addictive just swipe your mouse to the left side, click on thin line and easily reveal and hide your bookmarks. Also “trash” icon with closed tabs is better solution, than search this option in menu. And download manager is more comfortable in the old Opera. So please give me at least the side panel with bookmarks and I will love you again.

    • I’m experimenting with Chrome now

      Does Chrome have the features your miss?

      • Fulerenic

        No it doesn’t. But I realized, that would be better to use original instead of rebranded Chromium. Regarding bookmarks, Chrome has nice feature, that bookmarks bar can appear only at empty page, so it doesn’t block needful vertical space during surfing. And now Opera has still some performance issues, especially with Flash. Chrome is just smoother (but eating almost all my RAM…).

        • I personally think that Opera retains more of the “old” style of working than Chrome and I know that we have a few interesting things lined up that I think would appeal to you. So keep an eye on us and thanks for all your support thus far!

          • Nekomajin43

            Can you give us any hints?

          • They include some of my personal, favourite 12 features. Those who have followed me long enough, might be able to work something out from that. 😉

          • Nekomajin43

            O12 is enough for me. 🙂

          • Wando Schneider

            Ruarí, I feel like I’m being punished for not Follow longer. 🙂

  • I have two complaints about Opera for Linux.

    First, it use Pepper Flash instead of HTML5 in YouTube, when the others Chromium browsers give the preference to HTML5.

    Second, the web pages look smaller than any other browser.

    • Arjan van Leeuwen

      The decision on whether to supply us with Flash or HTML5 is not done by Opera, but by YouTube :). However you can change it yourself here: https://www.youtube.com/html5

      • Thank you, there is a button where you can activate HTML5 by default.

  • dflyra

    First of all: I respect every view and opinion expressed in here. I expect from everybody else to respect my opinions … respect, not share.
    I see everybody is talking about the big bad wolf Chromium and at the same time mumbling about Opera’s user numbers. Google Chrome is no.2 in usage, as everybody knows, after IE and in front of Firefox, so how Chromium engine is related to lower usage?
    As a result of the above, I assume that Opera followers – almost everybody in here – want Chromium in a different – more ‘Opera 12’ – wrapping. To tell you the truth, I agree with that. But – in the case of Vivaldi – the only real difference, as far has I can see, is the side panels.
    It’s really a very good thing, but it makes you wonder if by using a slightly different wrapping, somebody can be presented as the ‘lawful’ successor of the O history.
    Vivaldi’s search bar is there only to resemble O12 and it’s otherwise useless, the looks naive and the whole thing is raw, crashes a lot and has too many (serious) bugs.
    Of course, it’s in early stages, has serious potential and it ups the ante, but let’s wait and see the Opera’s response to that threat:
    From opinions expressed here, I believe that a ‘side-panel like’ bookmarks tree (the bookmarks first level folders in speed dial can be used as side-panel tree) and an introduction of nested dials (folders) in speed-dial could knock the competition out in terms of quality.
    As for Google Chrome – original or not (what ‘original’ means when it comes to the Chromium engine is beyond me) – it’s worse by far than Opera. Names & brands play their role here. After all, IE was in front in usage numbers even in it’s awful 5 version, only because it had the Microsoft name behind it.
    And one final thing: Enough is enough! This is Opera’s blog. We are here to criticize in order to develop and not to reject, even worse not to fish users out of Opera. If someone is not satisfied with the browser – and thinks he/she has found the ‘real thing’ – please he/she can go elsewhere and saves us space & time!

    • Shion

      You just don’t get it, do you. Noone cares about the browser name anymore. And it is right to do so, because almost all of them have the same core now – webkit, and all of them are able to open up a facebook, youtube and twitter page in the same way. The only viable points left in “browser wars” now are “User Interface” and “Features”. And that is what modern browser name comes down to now. When you call out the browser name, you don’t mean how awesomely coded it is or how uniquely it works or what it supports, you mean how comfortable it is. People bring up Vivaldi, because it has features many wanted, and they want Opera to have them too. Or do you really think that people are actually rallying others to use *technical preview* of a browser instead of a stable one?

      As for IE – this browser is “major” only because it is included in Windows from the start. And as I said before – mostly noone cares about how his browser is called. It works? It does what I want it to do? Then everything else doesn’t matter.

      This is indeed the Opera’s blog, and it is here for feedback (originally for positive feedback only, but things seem to change now). Pointing out the stupid decisions, so Opera team would make better ones – is a feedback. Pointing to good features of another browser, in hopes that Opera would take a notice and do something similar or better – is a feedback. Anything, that would lead to Opera devs making a better browser – is a feedback. And this place is perfect for it.

  • Grant Cruickshank

    Ok, here’s where I stand on the whole Opera-version issue.

    Opera 12 was a beautiful browser. I loved using it. It made me feel powerful and in command of my web experience. HOWEVER, the presto engine was showing its age and failing to cope with the modern, rapidly evolving web in many cases. I agreed completely with the decision to move to Blink.

    Opera 15 was horrendous. All the good features removed (!), mail sliced off and abandoned, the community features burned away…but it was fast, slick and had much better web compatibility. It was clear it need time to mature so I vowed to wait.

    Opera 27 (at time of writing) has improved but only in small ways. There’s been a lot of fussing with bookmarks but very little else of real value to the end-user that I can see. That horrible Speed-dial search box is STILL there staring out like a gaping wound. I don’t like Google. Seeing that monstrosity sitting there is like having a homeless person permanently in my car begging for money.

    When Opera 15+ arrived it killed the SPIRIT of the old Opera. Never mind the huge feature-loss (although aaaarrrrgggh) it became a browser that cared more about being popular than about the end-user as an individual. NuOpera likes to dictate, rather than offer. “Nope, no bookmarks: you don’t use them.”, we were told at 15’s launch. But now they’e back – ONLY after massive public outcry.

    Vivaldi has resurrected the spirit of Opera Classic(al). It wants to treat us like individuals again. It’s VERY early – there’s a HUGE amount of work to do but it has already demonstrated two things: 1) It wants to give people what THEY want. 2) It can still innovate. I fully expect some of its innovations to be stolen by everyone else any time now. I have it installed and eagerly await the day I can move from Firefox to using Vivaldi as my main browser.

    Firefox and Chrome are good browsers but I used Opera – LOVED Opera – because it was the best and because it was more than just a browser; it was a shared experience that catered to my every possible desire. Opera 27 is just a quick browser.

    Sorry to go off topic but I’ve been holding my tongue on this issue for two years. It was time I spoke up.

    • Stve

      ” Vivaldi has resurrected the spirit of Opera Classic(al). It wants to treat us like individuals again. It’s VERY early – there’s a HUGE amount of work to do but it has already demonstrated two things: 1) It wants to give people what THEY want. 2) It can still innovate. I fully expect some of its innovations to be stolen by everyone else any time now. I have it installed and eagerly await the day I can move from Firefox to using Vivaldi as my main browser.”

      Has Vivaldi innovated anything yet ? as far as I can see everything is copied from Opera 12 , I think they show a lot of promise but its Opera 29 that’s innovating even if is happening way to slow for most of us.

      • Saskatchewan

        Has Vivaldi innovated anything yet ? as far as I can see everything is copied from Opera 12

        For now, for example:
        – Quick commands;
        – Speed Dial and Bookmarks bar items in bookmarks manager;
        – Color tabs function;
        – built-in notes functionality with Markdown notation support and screenshots.

        Have you seen it in Opera 12? Which other browser has those?

        • Kamen Minkov

          Having a good amount of Opera 12’s features in just the first version is a huge start.

        • Vladimir

          Again, I was disappointed in the Opera Company’s employees. This applies to those who are engaged in the section Discover (Recommendations)

          I’m a year ask to add a section for games Ukrainian region in the Ukrainian language! There are two opera Ukrainian region (one “Ukrainian – Ukraine” and “Russian – Ukraine”) in the region, “Russian – Ukraine” in Games present but in Russian, but for the region, “Ukrainian – Ukraine” you can add in Games you can not!!

          I’ll have a year writing about this, I leave repporty bug. Even the addresses of the largest and most popular of Ukrainian gaming portal wrote. They are made on popular engines, they have a good layout. So problems with adaptation in Opera will not be!
          1. http://www.opengamer.com.ua/
          2. http://playua.net/

      • Lacedaemon

        What @Saskatchewan said (interoperability of SD with Bookmarks is one of the best) and I have to say on top of that, that

        color tabs is the most clever and original idea – yet so simple, and that’s making it even bigger – that no one has ever thought about, except for those guys.

        Also Multiple Speed Dials is an amazing enhancement/innovation to the Speed Dial concept and this is what O should have thought and done when they were saying that people don’t use Bookmarks and forced people to have a SD with ridiculous number of thumbnails, folders and icons that were disgusting to look at and work with. They wouldn’t even have needed to allocate resources and time for a Bookmark Manager to replace Stash -which they could have kept- if they would have thought about the above, which is a very big mistake in my opinion.

        Then there is Collect Tabs which collects all the tabs from the same domain so that you can either stack ’em or close them with one click, which is super super useful. It’s one of those things that I’ve been asking here for months and months but was being ignored.

    • ayespy

      You know you can get rid of that Speed Dial search box you hate so much. Turn on the advanced settings flag, and then disable it in advanced settings.

      • Grant Cruickshank

        That I did not know. Thank you!

        However, it’s hardly easy to find hidden behind the Konami Code (entered on the settings page), is it?

        Now, what can you do about Mouse Gestures? I’d like to add a ‘repoen closed tab’ command with a simple up-gesture. Any ideas?

        • ayespy

          Oh, yeah. The Konami code. It’s been so long since I did it in all my Opera versions that I had forgotten that step.

          As to your other stuff, I have no suggestions. I don’t use mouse gestures. There are some mouse gesture extensions. I don’t know if any of them have configurable gestures or not…

  • ayespy

    Who are the 55 million? People who find what they need in Opera.

    Since Opera 12, there has not been a browser which fully meets my (possibly somewhat rare) needs. I have never given up on the idea that there once again could be. For a couple years, I did not give up on the idea it could be Opera.

    As to whether I personally will be a member of the population of future Opera users:

    I will keep Opera (dev stream at least) installed on a machine or two for the foreseeable future, and will check in with the Developer stream, probably almost daily, to see what progress is being made.

    I like its polish and stability, plus its intuitive feel and its compatibility with basically all web content.

    If it gains its own vertical tabs not needing one of the (pretty crummy) available extensions, the ability to put the bookmarks bar vertical at the right, and re-integrates email with a truly competent mail client that can be set as MAPI client, It will again be my default browser. But I only have so much attention and effort to spare in trying to influence a browser company to meet my personal needs, and at this point I will be posting a good deal less here than has been my habit, and will be spending that attention and energy where I think it will fetch me greater return.

    I’ve only expressed my very few ideas for what a “perfect” browser would be a few hundred times by now, and if Opera wants this user, they know how to get me.

  • Jademarisa

    “We’ve been working hard to improve our desktop browser.We added many super useful features” Oh you have, have you? BTW you’d better count how many fans you’ve actually LOST

    • Zin

      Indeed, no mention of how many users they lost or still use Opera 12 around the world, isnt it curious?

  • Steffen D

    I’ve been using Opera though versions 12 to the present version, with the occasional dev-build for fun, I absolutely love this browser in every version. I’ve read through many of the comments below and as far as I can tell, many of the “complaints” are about features or bug I, as a normal everyday user, never experience or have use for.

    Building a product (whether it being a browser or a word-processor) is about meeting the vast majority of users’ needs and I for one think that Opera reaches that objective – without compromsing feature. Many of the features that I missed initially have been developed by other users as extensions (rss reader e.g.).

    The extension framework empowers each user with the right skills and time to develop and contribute to the browers functionality while at the same time allowing Opera to concentrate their product development on the core functionality.

    I’ve tried many many many other browers (Maxthon, Dolphin, Sleipnir, Konquer, Firefox, Chrome and even Vivaldi) and I always revert to Opera since it has the best trade-off between great everyday usability, build-in advanced features and community driven extensions.

  • Javier Bastardo

    Congratulations to all the Opera Team and us users, it has been a nice, although uphill, experience since since the Big Event (going from 12 to 15), and there’s still a lot ground to cover.

    As of now, Opera has passed to be my default browser on my Linux partition, running elementary OS 0.2. Still waiting for a better Desktop/Mobile integration, DuckDuckGo as Search Engine option on Mobile.

  • YourMessageHere

    I have no idea about making software, just using it; I won’t pretend that Opera’s continued lack of features I used all the time in Opera 12 aren’t highly frustrating. I have to trust that there’s some reason they’re not being put into New Opera. I just don’t know what that is, and that’s what frustrates me.

    So – why? Why aren’t you putting the features we want from Old Opera into New Opera? It has been out for a long time now, and supposedly more major versions away from original New Opera than Old Opera ever was from it’s first release. What is the Opera team actually doing when they release new versions, other than slightly changing the look of the speed dial and bookmark page? I have to assume it’s all behind-the-scenes technical stuff, because I don’t really see much by way of user improvements.

    The re-inclusion of bookmarks were, I thought, a great sign, but since then nothing else seems to have made the jump, and the navigation of bookmarks remains so bad I half-believe it’s actively designed to alienate users and drive them away from using bookmarks. It’s a tree structure, but I can’t expand the tree…? I can’t sort them alphabetically…?

    I still have Opera 12.17 installed alongside New Opera, and I’ve become used to using new Opera more and more to the point that I try and use its features in Opera 12 now, rather than the other way round. I need Opera 12.17 because it does something I really, really need – it saves web forms, so if my company’s dreadful web-based records system crashes, as it often does, I can press back and the comments I just spent several minutes writing are still there, and I can save them out to notepad and reload the site rather than retyping them.

    There are many other features I miss: notes, definable autofill fields, compatibility of operations like mouse back/forward buttons and rocker gestures, and most of all in terms of pleasant usability, customisation options like skins, shortcuts and toolbar buttons. I am sad that they’re not in Opera; it’s not a huge problem, but they were reasons I liked Opera. I still use them and want them.

    I don’t want to moan too much, It’s a decent browser on the whole but I’m continually waiting for the features to be added that will make me actively like it as I did Opera 12. If there’s an actual reason why you can’t, that’s reasonable. If you’re just not doing it because you’ve arbitrarily decided that it’s not needed or something, that’s really not reasonable.

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