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  • L33t4opera

    Hi Wojciech, thanks for the info 😉
    Could you tell me why the “DNA-21444 net_installer doesn’t build in 64-bit”, is mentioned in both changelogs: 23.0.1522.10, and 23.0.1522.0?

  • mikemanger

    The WebNotifications demo here seems to be broken: http://aurelio.audero.it/demo/web-notifications-api-demo.html

    Is it using an older spec?

    • Working fine over here (Win 8.1)
      Guess you’re on Mac? It’s not ready there yet AFAIK.

    • ABDX

      try enabling its flag

      • mikemanger

        Thanks! I just assumed it was on because it didn’t display the “API not supported” message. – ‘if (‘Notification’ in window) {‘ returns true when the flag is off.

  • Inquisitor

    Extensions on Speed Dial is still broken. 🙁

    • rrzepecki

      should be fixed in next Opera Developer release.

  • Dave-H

    Had a strange thing happen on the automatic update, which happened last time too, although I didn’t report it as I thought that it was almost certainly a one-off anomaly.
    The update downloaded very quickly, then a message popped up, “unable to prepare update” and it started to download again, this time much more slowly. Then it updated OK.

    • Marcin Mitek

      Hi, well, fallback solution for applying diff update worked for you (this is why you have seen second one started, slower = full autoupdate package which is ~30 MB). Could you file a bug and include as many informations about your setup as possible?

      • Dave-H

        Thanks Marcin, will do.
        I assume from what you’re saying that the first attempt is a relatively small incremental update package, and if that fails, the full package is then downloaded.
        The incremental package failed to install for some reason in my case.

        • Marcin Mitek

          Exactly, that’s what happened (and that’s why we have full package as a fallback).

  • Vux777

  • Does Opera support this: http://blog.chromium.org/2011/10/new-text-to-speech-api-for-chrome.html ?

    Also, recently Opera started failing to open links from Steam chat/client. Anyone know anything about this?

  • Raylan Givens

    Shouldn’t Opera Dev include Chromium version 37, Opera Next version 36 and the stable version 35? Can’t you keep up Chromium’s pace?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      This version is based on Chromium 36.

    • As mentioned in the blog post (that you obviously didn’t read):
      “Opera 23 Developer would soon move to the Next stream”

      • senja1

        I hope that Opera Developer in version 24 comes with 64bit support, like latest Chromium.

    • O24 Dev should, and very probably will.

  • taneli

    CPU intense operations still kill the browser.
    As i described earlier, rendering in a 3D application on the background, Opera becomes totally unresponsive for 5-50 secs if i hover mouse over some elements on a webpage (the whole browser dies, not just the page, tabs, menus, everything.).
    Dmitry hinted that it might be something to do with Chromium constantly changing process priorities, although, Opera 21 works just fine while rendering on the background.

    Any idea if anything will be done for this? Because, browsing the web or making web pages is kinda the only thing to do while rendering (can’t really game ;p).

    • fanboy punisher

      Maybe it’s Aura related, since Aura did not exist in version 21? Still very annoying, as well as the quest for searching the correct process amongst tens of others… a pinned web-tv stream tab for example that has to be set on high priority so that it plays without breaks, when you do something else that uses CPU-cycles as well. Chromium engine is such a crap.

    • Helge Andre Gjølme

      Can you give us an example web site?

      Also, how does Opera perform if you disable hardware acceleration?
      You can disable hardware acceleration by enabling advanced options in the settings.

      • taneli

        Doesn’t matter which webpage, just anything that has elements with “on hover” (that’s when it just hangs).

        And the hardware acceleration was indeed the culprit here, O21 still works fine though with HW acceleration on (while CPU usage is @ 100%).

        • Helge Andre Gjølme

          It does sound like you run out of video memory, which can cause these temporary freezes. It can be an issue with older graphic cards and HW acceleration.

          • fanboy punisher

            ehmm… what about the fact that these problems are not there with O 21? He has said it like 20 times already.

          • taneli

            I got a beefed up GTX680, lotsa vram available.

          • Helge Andre Gjølme

            Must admit that this issue sounds pretty weird.
            Can you report a bug report please.

  • Leonardo Gomes

    Road to 24.

    • naranj

      I can upgrade from the dev 23? or is better a clean versión of version 24?

  • simonela la manuelina

    I have very important notes in my opera link and now i cant recover this notes (i try to access the notes via the opera link page but it only shows a part of the notes), now i see your all developments not reliable, i will never trust your developments, i already change to Chrome, i will stay there!, I hope opera dies, shitty browser.

  • Zenon

    Want something that reminds you of Opera 12? Stay tuned as it progresses towards that https://github.com/Emdek/otter

    • WOW. Just bookmarked it. That is just fabulous! Of course, only unless it becomes as usable as Opera, not like Midori or something…

      • ayespy

        Unfortunately it seems it’s a one-man project and the development pace makes Opera development appear like lightning by comparison. I have hopes for Otter – but not high hopes.

        • SQL

          please otter already has the same level of functionality that oepra 15+ offers

          • Nekomajin42

            Then use it.

          • maddoctor

            I will…..

          • ayespy

            That’s just pure nonsense. It doesn’t even complete addresses in the address bar. It can’t alphabetize bookmarks. Heck – you can’t even ARRANGE bookmarks in its manager. It has no speed dial. It has no sync of any kind. It can’t accommodate extensions. It’s not ABLE to show a bookmark bar, which I actually NEED. I could go on.

            As far as it goes it shows a little promise. But it is an extremely rudimentary browser at this stage.

          • Kamen Minkov

            It’s still more promising than Opera Blink. Something like “what a single dev can do vs. what a team of devs doesn’t do”.

          • Zenon

            there are several contributors to otter, not 1 single person work. 😉

          • SQL

            But what really opens my eyes to Otter is the fact that a single dev has managed to build a functioning browser from scratch – as he himself said – he was just shaping the core stuff and basic stuff and will be working on features from now on.

    • YemSalat

      I hope posting this really makes you feel better. Way to go Opera “fans”!

      • SQL

        Opera’s new designers ruined everything

        • YemSalat

          Huh?

          • SQL

            The thing known as “Opera” is long gone now.

          • YemSalat

            Exactly. Face it. Opera has changed.

          • Zenon

            Opera has almost died, now it’s a bad clone of chrome.

          • YemSalat

            Whatever. I prefer Opera’s design and it has mouse gestures and a way better speed dial, plus i’d rather have my data with Opera then with Google, just a personal preference.

          • Alaknár

            You prefer new Opera’s mouse gestures? C’mon… Even FireFox now has an extension that does better than new Opera, because you can customise each and every gesture! Of course old Opera could do that out of the box, but this new thing won’t let you customise anything apart from the SD background.

          • YemSalat

            That comment was in regards to Chrome. So yeah, I do prefer new Operas mouse gestures to no mouse gestures in Chrome.
            As for Firefox – Opera starts quicker and runs smoother on my machine at least

          • Alaknár

            I said “even FireFox”, which implies that Chrome has the same functionality I mention. And by “functionality” I mean an extension that gives you mouse gestures that can be customised, so that you can mimic those from Opera 12 and even add more. New Opera can’t do that.

            Yes, Opera starts quicker, didn’t notice it running smoother though. Still, after switching to FF I finally have a browser that lets me brows the way I want, not the way the devs want. I have almost all of the things I loved in old Opera – not as good, not as smooth, not as intuitive, but will have to do until Opera gets back on track.

          • YemSalat

            Fair enough, I don’t want to use Chrome for political reasons as I mentioned above.
            And I don’t like running many extensions in general.

            So you switched to FF? Good on you, why bother coming here and trashing the new Opera then?

          • Alaknár

            I already gave you a reason before.

            I’m still an Opera fan. I love how the old Opera addressed all my needs, I hate the new Opera and the devs’ approach. I will be still keeping an eye out here in case something changes and I can try going back to my favourite browser.

          • YemSalat

            Yep. Direct quote:

            “… We want Opera to be the best on the market, like it was earlier and that’s why we point out the errors and shortcomings, over and over again. And when we’re ignored we eventually switch to something else in hopes that the diminishing user base will FINALLY open the dev’s eyes… ”

            You’ve already switched, so the next step would be to bugger off and open the dev’s eyes. At least stick to your own agenda.

            But seriously, you’re not helping at all by complaining about the same stuff over and over again about the same feautures that have been already addressed.
            The devs said they are working on them.

          • Alaknár

            You’re a strange person. Do you really believe that saying “oh, it’s so super cool to have the new Opera, if a bit lacking in functionalities… But hey, it’s Opera and it’s free! Yay” will help the devs?

            This is not a happy-therapy forum. This is the development forum. They post what they think is best about the new build, we post what we think about it.

            It’s been 8 version since Opera 15, constant backlash about the lack of bookmarks, and they develop a bookmarks import tool, without a bookmarks manager. This deserves complaining.

          • YemSalat

            No. I think that posting bugs and problems with the current dev version is appreciated as well as suggestions for improvements. And the point about importing stuff is a valid point.
            But crying “where’s my bookmarks manager!!!11” in every single post is immature and plain stupid.

          • Alaknár

            Well, tell that to people who do that. Unless by “posting” you mean “replying in a discussion about the bookmarks manager”?

          • YemSalat

            Sorry, I edited the post a few minutes later. And my apologies if this has nothing to do with you, I’ve been replying to a lot of people lately and am getting a bit confused who is who at this point. But you know what I mean, right?

          • Alaknár

            Yes, I do.

            And I would say that you’re right if not for two facts:

            1) this is the dev blog.
            2) the devs specifically said they will be implementing the bookmarks manager “soon”. That was somewhere near Opera 17. Since then we got new “themes” and a different “heart” button. In the mean time we see that a single guy is able to create a browser from scratch and implement a proper bookmark manager (see Otter browser).

            Do you see the difference and what makes people angry? The whole team of Opera devs is able to pull off a new heart-shaped button while basing on Chromium, while a SINGLE GUY implements the long asked-for functionality while making a NEW browser… I call this stupid. 🙂

          • YemSalat

            Exactly, this is a dev blog.
            So you probably should be serious about it and not just express your feelings.

            About the Otter browser, I suggest you try it yourself first. Somebody already addressed this before, so I’ll just quote them:

            About the Otter brower:
            “That’s just pure nonsense. It doesn’t even complete addresses in the address bar. It can’t alphabetize bookmarks. Heck – you can’t even ARRANGE bookmarks in its manager. It has no speed dial. It has no sync of any kind. It can’t accommodate extensions. It’s not ABLE to show a bookmark bar, which I actually NEED. I could go on.”

            And Otter is based on Qt5 and WebKit, so it’s not a “NEW” browser built from scratch.

            And where are you getting your info about “the whole team of Opera is drawing heart icons”?? Really? All of them? Even the core programmers?

            Some features need to be implemented properly and not fast. Bookmarks manager for example is closely related to syncing and that feature is far from being easy to implement. The design-related features are easier to implement that’s why we see updates on them more often.

          • Alaknár

            Oh, that’s just nonsense. Bookmarks manager has NOTHING to do with syncing. Bookmark managers came about some 20 years before any type of sync was first introduced to a browser.

            As for the Otter browser – I KNOW it’s hardly usable at this stage, since it’s ALPHA. But even though it’s some half a year in the making, it ALREADY has a bookmarks manager. That’s my point.

            “And Otter is based on Qt5 and WebKit, so it’s not a “NEW” browser built from scratch”

            And Opera is based on Chromium. Same thing. They are both based on something, only Opera is lacking some base functionality when in the release version, while Otter has it implemented in Alpha. See the difference? Now add to that the workforce difference.

            Your second-to-last paragraph – I don’t know, maybe you’re a bit young still or English is not your strongest point, but you really need to learn to interpret what people write, not take it literally. If I write “I’m jumping for joy at the prospect of bookmarks manager in Opera” I don’t really mean that I stand beside my desk and jump up. And if I say “the whole team of Opera devs is able to pull off a new heart-shaped button while basing on Chromium” I’m slightly exaggerating to highlight the difference in pace of feature implementation between a whole team of programmers and a single programmer.

          • YemSalat

            Oh, really? Bookmarks have “NOTHING” to do with syncing? So you don’t want them synced?
            Bookmarks appeared in browsers long before syncing features, and everybody had to implement it on top of that. Now that we have both the correct approach would be to implement them with syncing in mind.

            Again about Otter – address completion is not core functionality? Extensions? So on.. I’d rather have no bookmarks then what Otter can offer.

            English might not be my strongest point, it is not my native language after all, but when I say something I say what I mean, which seems not to be your strongest point (or any point really)

            Quotes from you:
            “we see that a single guy is able to create a browser from scratch and implement a proper bookmark manager”

            FALSE, it’s not built from scratch and it doesn’t have a proper bookmarks manager.

            “The whole team of Opera devs is able to pull off a new heart-shaped button”

            FALSE, turns out you are exaggerating to prove something..

            “Opera is lacking some base functionality when in the release version, while Otter has it implemented in Alpha”

            FALSE, you said it yourself – Otter is barely usable at this point.

            I could go on.

          • Alaknár

            You could go on because you’re missing the point.

            Sorry, I don’t have the time to explain every single sentence. Try reading some books in English, it will help.

            Cheers!

          • YemSalat

            Well done man! Can’t defend your position so go ahead, retreat making comments about my English.
            You’ve got nothing.

          • Alaknár

            Whatever makes you feel better.

          • YemSalat

            Okay, lets get into the bits of it.

            You said that while Opera has a much greater development force then Otter, and has been in development for longer – it still has not implemented any bookmarks manager, while the latter has.
            And seeing that the Opera devs could not implement the bookmarks manager while a single guy could pull it off in less time makes Opera fans angry.

            Did I get this correctly? Or my English messed it up somehow?

          • Alaknár

            Yes, you did get this correctly.

            The thing is, you see, that both browsers lack some functionalities that I need for my day-to day use, the difference being that Otter is in early (very!) Alpha stage, while Opera is supposed to be a full-blown, finished product.

            It’s not. Not for me nor the majority, I think, of people who care enough to comment here.

            And again – people are not solely angry because Opera lacks a bookmarks manager. I guess that if it was being re-done from scratch, they would handle it better. Problem is that Opera is based on Chromium and lacks a LOT of useful Chromium features while offering little in return. Yes, speed dial is still the greatest on the market and yes, the Stash can be useful, but it’s nothing you can’t mimic in the other browsers out there.

            Opera being far, far behind the competition is what makes long-time fans angry. We’re too much used to it being top of the notch, best on the market.

          • YemSalat

            “Opera is based on Chromium and lacks a LOT of useful Chromium features while offering little in return”

            Which ones, besides Bookmarks and Sync?

          • Alaknár

            No Linux version, no ability to remove default search engines, no built-in Flash (or not working at least), no H.264 compatibility, no multi-level folders in the Bookmarks Bar – off the top of my head.

          • YemSalat

            You’re confusing Chromium with Chrome.

            No Linux version – agreed.

            No built-in flash – Chrome is the only browser to have this, and I actually think that’s a good thing cause Flash introduces many security and performance issues.

            H.264 – Chrome and IE are the only browsers to support it only because Google and Microsoft can afford it (H.264 is not free) And even then they are thinking of dropping it in favor of webM which is free and open.

            No multi-level folders in bookmarks bar – well, fair enough, I already mentioned they don’t have a bookmarks manager

          • Rafael Luik

            But *there are* multi-level folders in the bookmarks bar. o.o

          • YemSalat

            To be honest I didn’t use bookmarks in the old Opera and I don’t in this one, so I didn’t check, just assumed he’s right

          • YemSalat

            You said that bookmarks manager has nothing to do with syncing because bookmarks have been in browsers long before syncing functionality and no one had problems with implementing it on top of bookmarks.

            Did I get this correctly?

            That is true, however bookmarks are related to sync because, what a surprise, they need to be synced. So the correct approach in terms of software development would be to implement the bookmarks with syncing in mind, so they both can function in a more efficient way. That way both features can also be finished quicker then doing bookmarks first and then implementing sync on top of it.

          • YemSalat

            Creating a usable browser is not an easy task, even if the improvements are not obvious, would you make Otter your default browser? I doubt it. That’s what took all this time and development for Opera – creating a browser that can actually be used by people. Even without the notorious Bookmarks manager.

            There.

            Now feel free to be this – http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wZo3RZys0OE/UF-vylhY9TI/AAAAAAAALTo/oejA1189LGs/s1600/Project1.jpg

          • Alaknár

            If you want to justify Opera’s lack of functions by comparing it to an early-alpha version created by a single guy feel free to be like this yourself. I’m more like this: http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad288/heyjb123/425389-1691244_not_sure_if_troll_super_super.jpg

          • YemSalat

            Whaaa? I’m pretty sure it can’t be my English, you started comparing with:

            “Opera is lacking some base functionality when in the release version, while Otter has it implemented in Alpha.”

            http://oi58.tinypic.com/2qdty4g.jpg

          • Alaknár

            Read the word “justify”. It will clear things out.

          • YemSalat

            Man seriously, what’s the point of this conversation?

            Yes, I was justifying it because you made that comment first and after that I was just responding to your arguments.
            I presented counter-arguments. What else was I supposed to do if I happen to have the opposite opinion to yours.

          • Alaknár

            If you don’t know the difference between a comparison and a justification, then there is no point.

          • YemSalat

            Well in that case you were justifying your position by comparing it to browsers that have been on the market for a lot longer then the new Opera. And also comparing it to Otter.
            Now I’m convinced you’re trolling. You can’t stay on the topic.

          • Alaknár

            Dude, are you serious? And what is a person supposed to do in a discussion? Undermine their position? Discussion is BASED on justifying ones position via valid arguments based on facts.

            That’s what I’m doing. What you’re doing is missing the point, over and over again. This discussion is fruitless (and no, I don’t mean I hoped we would plant a tree and wait for fruits).

          • YemSalat

            No, this discussion is fruitless because you’re not staying on the topic.

            Here’s a recap:

            1) Your position:
            Opera users are disappointed because they don’t see much progress, for example the new Opera still doesn’t have a bookmarks manager, while a browser called Otter has it implemented and it is being developed by a single guy.

            My reply:
            While it might seem that opera developers are only releasing minor features there is a lot going on ‘under the hood’ that many users take for granted. Like automatic address completion, extension support, etc. These all require development time, so even though the otter does have a bookmarks manager – it lacks a lot of features that make a browser usable (I am not comparing Opera to Otter at this point, just replying to your i initial comment)
            I other words – while Opera devs did not implement the bookmarks manager they have implemented a lot of other features that are much more important in that time.

            2) Your position:
            Bookmarks are not related to syncing at all. All browsers had bookmarks for ages and had no problems implementing sync on top of them.

            My reply:
            Bookmarks are related to sync because they need to be synced.
            That is true that other browsers implemented sync on top of bookmarks, however now that we have both bookmarks and sync as desired pieces of browser functionality the correct approach from the software development perspective is to implement bookmarks with syncing in mind, so that both functionalities can work more efficiently with each other.

            Please have the courtesy to at least address these two points which I replied to at least three times now.

          • Alaknár

            Address what? You have your opinion I have mine. I base my opinion on the last 20 years of browser evolution, you base yours on something that completely eludes me.

            You think that it’s perfectly sensible to release a bookmarks import tool before the bookmarks manager or sync. I think that’s retarded.

            You think it’s OK for a full team of developers to release bugfixes and background images for a year and call it progress, I think it’s causing people who were fans of Opera in the 9-12 days to switch to other browsers.

            There’s really nothing else to add here.

          • YemSalat

            Exactly. You can’t hold the conversation cause you have nothing but bitter feelings behind all your points.

            And I don’t think that it is perfectly sensible to release a bookmarks import without a bookmarks manager, I never said that, stop putting words in my mouth.

            In fact I said that criticism of this is completely valid while replying to someone else (I’ll add a link when I find it)

            About developers doing nothing for a year – I said a million times that there is a lot going on under the hood that many users take for granted and those features require time.

            If old Opera users want to switch – they should do so, but at least have some respect for the developers who have been making their favorite browser for so many years.

          • alayli

            Opera won’t implement bookmark manager. A few version earlier a developer commented: http://i.imgur.com/fDSjYZq.png

          • Alaknár

            Then again they said they will add it on a number of occasions. I guess they themselves don’t really know what’s going on…

          • That comment by Zhenis is not entirely accurate.

        • The same people who made the old Opera also made the new Opera.

          • Nekomajin42

            Or at least some of them.

      • Alaknár

        That’s the point – we’re fans, not ‘fanatics’. We won’t take any garbage thrown at us with the “Opera” logo and praise it just because of that logo.

        We want Opera to be the best on the market, like it was earlier and that’s why we point out the errors and shortcomings, over and over again. And when we’re ignored we eventually switch to something else in hopes that the diminishing user base will FINALLY open the dev’s eyes.

        • YemSalat

          I just think that this ‘pointing out’ is going quite a bit over the top by now.
          Opera is a great company that has been delivering an excellent product for years for FREE. It is a relatively small company as well especially compared to the competition.
          This change is tough for them as it is for us. It does deserve at least a lighter tone of voice in my view.

          • Alaknár

            Oh, c’mon… “For FREE”. That’s not a valid argument, every other browsers out there is free.

            The change is tough for them because the so chose. They specifically changed the Chromium code to disable feature they deemed “unnecessary”, hence the community backlash. Not the other way around.

            Did you see the statistics? Yes, they were losing users over the years but the slow decline changed to a steep slope after O15. What do you think that means?

          • YemSalat

            It may not be a valid argument in your view, but I think its good enough to at least be grateful.
            They had to switch because they could not keep up. And properly rendering web pages, especially when the HTML5 hit was much more important then having a bookmarks manager.

            Which statistics are you referring to? The only one that I found which has a month by month stats is on w3schools and it shows that their share actually started growing after release of O15 (May 2013)

            http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

          • fanboy punisher
          • YemSalat

            Fair enough, statCounter begs to differ: http://gs.statcounter.com

            Browser stats are a bitch..

          • That is not exactly correct. After Opera 15, the user growth has accelerated on the new versions, and users of the new versions are more active and stick with Opera for longer.

        • Zenon

          i couldnt have said it better. 🙂

    • Olav

      Few days ago changed to chrome and can’t believe it… chrome have more useful features as opera out of the box. With extensions chrome become 90% of functionality from O12. Some things are better, some as good as o12. Take a look. And the best: Bookmark Manager and Full Sync (more options than O12). Nice try with from the developers O15+

      • YemSalat

        Chrome has been around for way longer and has the financial and development powers of google behind it.

        • Olav

          And? O12 was good, since O15+ a awful shit. They can not once the basics. How many Version will we wait? And the best reason to change is, i can’t see the developer implement meaningful features from O12. O15 – O23 (8 versions), no useful bookmark manager and no sync.

          • YemSalat

            You sure seem to have the expertise to judge the difficulty of implementing various features.
            Do you really think that syncing for example is easy?

          • Olav

            No, that is not what i think. But how many years you think need opera to bring back basic features? They kidding us with every major version with a bunch of crap features. But simple basic features, no, they need all developers for a heart icon or a useless import feature (no useful bookmark manager). The old O12 User don’t want change and no new user want install O15+ with this feature list.

          • YemSalat

            yet again you call it a ‘simple’ feature.
            And you also somehow know that ‘all developers are thrown at these minor changes’
            Where are you getting your info?

            Who do you call a ‘new user’ by the way? I came back to Opera after about four years on chrome. Do I count?

            And an import feature is not useless at all, especially for the new users.

          • Olav

            You change back to O15+ from Chrome? For what? For you seems reach cmd.exe to browse the internet.

          • YemSalat

            You didn’t answer my questions.

            I switched back to O because I don’t like Google’s policies.

          • Olav

            No you don’t count, can’t believe to change back from chrome to opera with this less features. and google is by the way a main money source for opera.

          • YemSalat

            Whatever, I still don’t like their policies.

          • Patata Johnson

            If that’s the case, Chrome based Opera isn’t the best alternate 😉

          • YemSalat

            It’s based on chromium, not chrome
            Chromium is open source

          • maddoctor

            I think what Olav is saying is:It should be simple for Opera to bring back basic features.They had them before.And extensions are kool,as long as they are practical,useful and they work.Basic features are simple enough for all other web browsers to implement them.Why not Opera?Especially since,like I said,they had them in their earlier browsers.What’s so hard about that?Bookmark manager?Home button?Olav is absolutely right.They can give us new features we don’t want or need but can’t bring back the standards?And,I define ‘new user’ as an individual who moved from a product they have used to a product they have never used before,in hope of getting a better product,which performs in the same,familiar manner without sacrificing anything.

          • YemSalat

            They swapped their entire codebase.

            Other browsers did not have sync since they were created, it was added relatively recently and it took them a lot longer then Opera (who was the first to introduce syncing by the way)

            Bookmark manager is related to sync (you do want your bookmarks synced, don’t you) so there is no point implementing it before the syncing functionality is finished. Yet they started working on it cause all the so called “fans” were nagging so badly.

            Home button is something that they decided to not implement in order to keep the interface clean. if you want home button – install an extension.

            “Olav is absolutely right”

            No, Olav knows absolutely nothing of what he’s talking about, he’s just feeling bitter for loosing some functionality.

            And with you definition of the ‘new user’, most of the time when you move to something else – you are sacrificing something in exchange for other features that are more beneficial. Otherwise all the products in the world would be exactly the same.

            When I moved from the old Opera to Chrome I sacrificed a great deal of useful features in exchange for proper page rendering and speed.

            Its not like you can’t use O12 anymore, is it?
            If you prefer those features over proper page rendering – just use the old Opera.

        • Opera was founded in 1994, and just before they switched to Chrome, it was Chrome who bited Opera’s dust. Even today it achieves 90% of that functionality, and that is installing extensions.

          • YemSalat

            In terms of functionality – yes, Opera was far superior to Chrome, but in terms of page rendering the situation was the opposite and getting worse really fast (thats before the switch I mean)

    • Kurt Zon

      why not this? :-

    • Raylan Givens

      They said Pepper plugins should be working by now, but as usual, lies…

  • iemand

    You guys are making it too complex. I’m forcing my dad to use Opera a bit (as it is a great portable browser), but he already doesn’t know what the difference is between Stash and speeddial. Now the bookmarks bar is coming to this list. What’s next? Favorites? Stick with an idea or stop with the idea completely and go back to the previous way of handling it. Don’t make it too complex (or you just get the same as in Opera 12, a complex bulked up browser that has a bunch of features nobody knows)

    • Dafuq, dude?

      And it’s because of morons like you that the modern browsers are becoming dumbed down, nearly non-customizable pieces of shit.

      • iemand

        Is it the goal of Opera to develop a browser for end users or IT people? There is a reason why Chrome is so popular.
        I don’t mind if they make it an addition option as opera flag or addon, but do you really want to bother end users with complex “Opera terms” like speeddial or stash when they just want to add a bookmark? Not everybody want to know their browser inside out.

        And please don’t call someone that you don’t know a moron. It clearly shows how childish you are in this conversation.

        • Livingstone

          Sorry, but you have to be fucking kidding. Opera 15+ is as complex as a blank piece of paper. IT people? What the hell?

          Maybe try and keep your dad of the Internet, he might get lost – too much information.

        • ruduh

          So, why your dad doesn’t use the last Internet Explorer for your OS? Its a better alternative for general users, and it’s fast, compatible, intuitive, stable and easy to handle…;-)

          • iemand

            Not really a solution I think, but here is your answer: Because the IT ships the PC’s with IE7 (not possible to upgrade) and that version isn’t really supported anymore by a lot of websites. We already argued with the IT, but they stick with it.

        • ayespy

          “There is a reason why Chrome is so popular.”

          There is. It’s called Google advertising money and carpet-bombing promotion. Wherever you turn Chrome is in front of your face. You can’t get away from it. It’s even downloaded as spamware with a variety of different kinds of software now, and included on install discs with other software.

          Yeah. There’s a “reason” that bloated, bumbling piece of crap is so popular.

        • Laga Mahesa

          Opera’s goal is to survive on the desktop. On the desktop, Opera *IS* Chrome – I imagine that they realized they would never get the traction they needed for Presto to stop being a net loss so they ditched it in favor of using Chromium as the engine.

          Don’t believe me? The vast majority of Chrome/Chromium command line switches work for Opera. Check them out:

          http://peter.sh/experiments/chromium-command-line-switches/

          • Rafael Luik

            Opera is Chromium-based so the command line switches work on it???? You don’t say??

          • Laga Mahesa

            Use a forward slash instead of double dash to save space – Windows shortcuts max out at 260 characters. This one is 230 characters:

            “C:Program FilesNetworkWeb BrowsersOperaOpera.exe” /proxy-pac-url=http://10.0.0.1/proxy.pac /allow-running-insecure-content /ignore-certificate-errors /disable-cache /use-spdy=off /window-position=80,60 /window-size=1280,720

          • Rafael Luik

            I think you didn’t get the sarcasm…

          • Laga Mahesa

            Heh, nope. In my defense it’s 1:30 am and I’m VNCing to 2 different labs to upgrade 50 machines.

          • iemand

            Presto was an idealistic view on the world, but eventually it was doomed to fail. Developers were not taking standards into account and certainly not a browser which had a market share of 2% (normal, I wouldn’t either).

            Like a student once said to Microsoft (I believe it was to Steve Balmer): why put so much effort in making the trident engine when there is a must better engine like webkit around.
            It’s good that they didn’t, diversity is needed to keep the competitors alert, but for a small browser market share like presto had it was the same as burning money. I believe it’s for the best that they stopped with it so they could stop worrying about how much banking/… websites didn’t work on their browser and put more effort in creating a decent browser.

        • fanboy punisher

          Linus Torvalds: “This “users are idiots, and are confused by functionality” mentality is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it.”

          Unfortunately it tells a lot about you and your dad.

          P.S. You can google who Linus Torvalds is.

          • iemand

            And that’s the reason why Linux is not getting passed 1% on the desktop market share. Only when it is commercialized (read: CLI nicely put in the background – for real) in a form like Android it is adapted by the mass majority.
            And again, don’t call people you don’t know idiots (even if it’s in a quote of some guy I clearly do know.

            Note: I’m an IT’er and my job actually is basically telling developers how features must look in applications.
            I really don’t mind change, but you must know that you must convince a user to stick with your product. That user where Opera is focusing on is an IE, Chrome or Firefox user that has the habit of using favorites/bookmarks and maybe a bookmark bar.
            The first thing he will most likely do is this and with this Opera he will get most likely 3 things he doesn’t know what they are “Speeddial”, “Stash” and “Bookmark bar” (if he even knows what the heart is for)

          • fanboy punisher

            No this is not the reason. The reason is the predatory tactics by monopolies.

        • Once you got to know it, Opera was an amazing piece of tech. Too bad most people are too naive to see it.

          Chrome was less than disgusting to me a year ago.

    • Kamen Minkov

      Opera 12 isn’t bulked up. If you aren’t using its features, they won’t get in your way. It’s the engine and website compatibility that’s the problem.

      As for bookmarks (almost a dirty word in Opera Blink terms), Opera 12’s approach is maybe the most powerful one I’ve came across.

      • iemand

        Opera 12 not bulked up (not in the way that it was slow)? Extensions, widgets, addons, speeddial addons, that thing that they introduced to act as webservices

        I liked Opera 12 as a tech user (because it was so configurable), but be honest it was a complex browser (especially if you got to the settings and accidentally removed a popular toolbar). And that was also it’s great weakness: you could destroy it so easy and there wasn’t really an easy way to restore everything (removing the complete profile data of the browser isn’t an easy user friendly way).

    • Zenon

      sorry but those lots of features is what made opera 12 and before a great thing before the disaster of Opera 15 and later.

  • Der Herr Nick

    If I open a link, I cannot use keyboard shortcuts on the newly opened page prior to clicking somewhere on the page. Is this a bug or is it a feature I don’t understand? Or am I the only one affected of this bug? I find this somewhat annoying.

    • Der Herr Nick

      I correct myself:
      This only happens if I scrolled on that page.

      • Helge Andre Gjølme

        Thanks, we will look into this

        • Vux777

          can you pls. tell, is this legit and confirmed bug DNA-21193?
          it’s more then a month (maybe two) in dev stream, and I’m afraid is gonna enter next very soon
          ..started with 23.0.1499.0

          • Helge Andre Gjølme

            It is a legit bug and it’s examined and placed on a bugfixing task.

          • Vux777

            great…
            it could be fixed much sooner if… if…

        • Vux777
        • Vux777

          business as usual… great
          so..how’s the weather?
          …ffs

          • Helge Andre Gjølme

            Calm down Vux777. There’s not much more to say at the present time. We need to investigate and try to fix it.

          • Vux777

            I’m calm, but….
            edit: f***ng disqus…can’t see all comments in the tree

        • YemSalat
    • YemSalat

      There’s a same bug in chrome, basically happens with specific pointing devices. Are you on a vaio laptop by any chance?

      • Der Herr Nick

        No, I’m on a Fujitsu Laptop using a Synaptics PS/2 Port TouchPad. Thanks for the info!

  • Wraith

    Still waiting for full sync!

  • Nekomajin42

    The monochrome notification icon looks really bad on Win7 with darker color schemes. On my not-so-dark blue taskbar it almost isn’t visible. You should use the red Opera icon.

    • NimeshT

      In addition to notifications, it should include other options as well, similar to Opera 12, but all might not be possible as most of the features would not be implemented like Mail, Contacts but some new options can be thought of like Web Inspector, Task Manager, Hide Opera, etc.

  • Erwin Hun

    Why doesn’t Opera love users with Windows 8.1 high-DPI scaling?

    • It’s already in, but disabled by default. Hang tight.

      • Erwin Hun

        If you are referring to the (now removed) hiDPI-flag I would hardly call that supporting DPI-scaling, but I’m glad if a done function is on its way. If only the UI would scale (pages can be set to default zoom 150 %), I could go back to Opera and ditch Chrome. Tiny UI isn’t very good for touch screens unfortunately.

        • No, not talking about the mess that you saw before the flag was disabled. But I’m not allowed to tell you more about it just yet 😉

          • Erwin Hun

            All right, thanks for sharing what you can. This is great news since I am growing tired of Chrome. I’ll make sure to update and check it out now and then!

          • Helge Andre Gjølme

            We’re working on it. It’s a little more complicated that we first thought, Keep following the developer releases and you’ll see the improvements as soon as they arrive.

  • Nekomajin42

    You’ve got some very good marketing here, guys: http://www.favbrowser.com/opera-now-imports-browsers-passwords-other-data-without-your-permission/

    I really hope you will trash this whole silent import idea.

    • ayespy

      That article is 80% lies. Where do they get off with that crap?

      • Nekomajin42

        Let’s just say the writer is slightly misinformed. But it will import your stuff from the default browser and it will sync if you enable syncing. (Which probably will be enabled by default as things go nowadays at Opera.) So the “80% lies” is a lie.

        However it does not matter, because the average user does not read this blog, so he/she won’t know the true if he/she does not give it a try because that article frighten him/her off. (I know, they don’t read Favbrowser either, but other portals can use it as a source.)

        • ayespy

          Do you have info that it imports more than bookmarks from a default browser? (as my default is Opera Stable, it didn’t try to import anything).

          I did get Opera to import bookmarks, passwords and cookies from Opera 12 once, on one of my machines. But I’ve never seen any indication it will import these things (other than BM now) from any other browser.

          Certainly, it does not “scan your hard drive for profiles, etc.” It doesn’t sync ANYTHING but speed dial, and then only if you make it. So there is ONE point of truth in the whole article outside of silent updates, and that is that it will try to silently import BOOKMARKS from a (presumably non-Opera) browser – and that’s not even what it says. It says it imports your whole profile from ANY browser on the machine.

          So for the time being, I’m standing by my 80% figure.

          And y’know what? Half the software on my machine – and ALL the Google software silently updates, even when it’s NOT OPEN. I have bunches of updaters running in the background all the time.

          And half of the crap wants to install unrelated software every time you update live, as well. You have to FIND and TURN OFF all the opportunities to get new toolbars, browsers (yes, Chrome), security scans, reg-scanning software, etc., etc. if all you want to do is just update something you’ve been using for 20 years.

          In the overall scheme of things, Opera is a very minor offender in this regard. Sure, we’d all like to give our permission before anything updates. But that window is closing faster all the time.

          • Nekomajin42

            “Do you have info that it imports more than bookmarks from a default browser?”
            Have you read it? https://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2014/06/opera-developer-update-silent-import/

            “It doesn’t sync ANYTHING but speed dial, and then only if you make it.”
            It will sync a lot of things once it will be ready. And as things go at Opera, I’m not sure syncing won’t be turned on be default.

            “And y’know what? Half the software on my machine – and ALL the Google software silently updates, even when it’s NOT OPEN.”
            I don’t care what Google products do because I don’t store personal data in them.

            “You have to FIND and TURN OFF all the opportunities to get new toolbars, browsers…”
            Exactly where can I turn off this silent import, huh?

            “But that window is closing faster all the time.”
            Yes, it is, because people don’t give a damn about their rights about their personal data.

          • ayespy

            OK – it imports the profile of the default browser. I stand corrected. The rest, not so much

          • Nekomajin42

            So then what’s wrong with that article?

          • Leonardo Gomes

            Too much paranoia?
            I guess that 8, 9 out of 10 users will like to be able to start using a new browser without have to start all over again adding pages, bookmarks, passwords and so on.

            About data being synchronzed: 1st Sync only works for SD, stash and custom searches atm so no crucial personal data would be synced.
            Also, if the person has Sync enabled is because he/she trusts the service and won’t mind having their data synced.

          • Nekomajin42

            How much more troublesome to import all your stuff if the importer starts automatically but shows you a confirm dialog whether you want to import or not? One single click, and the option to cancel the process. Is it so painful? Is it so much work to implement?

          • Rafael Luik

            The part where it says sync would be enabled, but the import only occurs in an empty profile (so it’s impossible for sync to be enabled). Like @cgebhard:disqus said.

            Plus the writer’s treating of the feature like something entirely new, when Opera 12 already had this silent import feature before.

          • Nekomajin42

            You install the browser. The importer runs in the background, pulls your data in. The you turn the sync on. What will happen to your data? Yes, it will go up to the cloud.
            And don’t tell me it currently syncs only SD and a few other stuff, because you know as well that there will be other stuff synced too when it will be ready.

            I don’t say that article is 100% correct. It is not, and that guy likes to write such lurid posts. But there is true in it on one hand, and it is really a bad marketing for Opera on the other hand. One technologically uneducated journalist picks that up and the average user gets the conclusion that this browser does not respect privacy. And he/she will be somewhat right, because the core of that article is true. These times when Snowden and NSA and major security holes are in the mainstream journal, Opera’s way should be transparent and user-controlled, not silent.

            Furthermore, there are valid usecases against silent the update and import. They were discussed here in the blog.

        • cgebhard

          Well it will do the import on first run or when you have an empty profile.
          Both means even if sync was enabled by default, there still wouldn’t be an account to sync to, unless you willingly log into one _after_ you have seen that the bookmarks have been imported.

        • Leif Roar Moldskred

          The writer is misinformed, yes, and clearly anyone writing for public consumption should take more care to fact check what they’re writing about.

          That aside, this kind of misinformation is one reason _why_ silent (as opposed to quiet) automation is problematic: it can very easily confuse people.

          He’s also right in essence, if perhaps not in fact, that this kind of automation can easily lead to leaking private data. Yes, Google’s products already does this a lot, but then that is why Google is unwholesome.

    • Dmitry Kirin

      I don’t see any marketing stuff in that article, only bad journalism, presenting a simple, very limited data import feature as a disturbing precedent of scanning ALL user disk.

      • Nekomajin42

        It was sarcasm. I wanted to point out how this silent behaviour can backfire.

        • Rafael Luik

          Opera 12 had this, curiously it did not backfire.

          • Nekomajin42

            I’ve installed Opera MANY times to MANY computers and it never imported anything without asking me.

          • Rafael Luik

            Clean install it in default location/installation / simply deleting the profile so it’ll create a new one always silently imported from the default browser here on first run.

  • *a lot of users begging for Linux*

    Btw, could you make something like Opera (Bleeding) Edge, which would be like a weekly build from git or whatever you use for ALL platforms, but none of the ironing out or polish. Just extra extra testy (and for Linux!). Many people don’t care about it not working perfectly, they just want it in whatever state.

    • Basically all Developer builds are from our main git repository. We do some testing before we release it to public, but that’s just to make sure builds start and you’re at least able to load some websites.

  • naranj

    When you release version 24,I can upgrade from the dev 23? or is better a clean versión of version 24?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      When Developer 24 is released, Developer 23 will probably be updated.

  • Monospace font looks ugly. Please, fix it. 🙁

  • Sync Originals

    congratulations team!! bandcamp is back after 4 versions.. BAD NEWS = Facebook ____ CRASSHIINGGG :). SO NO FACEBOOK. NO WORK 🙂

    Best of Luck mbp (10.10 + 10.9.3). Don’t even asked for I to unable all plugins )

    • Leif Roar Moldskred

      Surely it should be “No Facebook -> Work” and “Facebook -> No work”?

      • Sync Originals

        or perhaps “opera works” – opera does work”. and that is coming from a loyal user of long ago :).

        • Rafael Luik

          It looks like you’re using a Developer Preview OS, correct me if I’m wrong…

          • Sync Originals

            yes, and…? shouldn’t a dev. version of Opera be up to speed? ironically if that wouldn’t be the case don’t you think?

          • Rafael Luik

            No, I don’t believe that when a company launches a Developer Preview OS all the other software devs should fix all the bugs caused by it in less than 7 working days.

          • Sync Originals

            Pity you feel that way! as ALL OTHER software worked great with 10.10 DP1. 10.10 DP1 worked out of te box with ALL OPERA sofware, including my beloved Opera Mail + 22.0.1471.40 Next BUT, SURPRISE SURPRISE – it failed with 22.0.1471.50 STABLE and this DEV version.

          • YemSalat

            Its a Developer preview, stuff like that happens,yeah.

  • Sync Originals

    opera://extensions/ it is a CRASH (MbP Mac 10.10 Yosemite)

  • Sync Originals

    https://twitter.com/ is a CRASH (MbP Mac 10.10 Yosemite)

  • Sync Originals

    opera://settings/clearBrowserData is a CRASH (MbP Mac 10.10 Yosemite)

  • OldHickory30

    Still no way to sett DuckDuckGo as default!

    • Der Herr Nick

      Wait for O37, you’ll see…
      🙂

      • icetom

        “you’ll see…”

        its still not there 😀

  • алекс александров

    Зачем вот оно нужно было? как отключить это меню теперь? hfmit нормально в один клик можно было добавлять, а теперь клацай по 100500 раз. лучше бы баги наисильнейшие исправляли ве версии Next – весь экран мигает как новогодняя елка, при работе с экстпресс панелью!

    • Ich schpeche nur Spanish und ein bisschen English.

      • алекс александров

        how to turn it, somebody knows?
        Why’s it needed? how to turn off the menu now? normally used in a single click you can add, and now press for 100,500 times. would be better if all the bugs corrected in version Next and Dev – the whole screen flashes like a Christmas tree when working with ekstpress panel!Nightmare! If you do not give all the garbage type disable the latter and do as it was before a single line, without a floating menu, delete the fuck this opera (stay on 12) and tightly closed down all their sites from it. And tell all your friends to shut down. What would you take into account the opinion of the people before vsyakue add crap.

    • L33t4opera

      как отключить это меню теперь?

      Hi, to learn how to disable the Heart menu (bring back old buttons), please have a look here.

  • What can we expect from O24? 64 bit?

    • ABDX

      more like O34…

    • Onaj Tamo

      Hopefully Linux support.Although 64bit would be a nice thing to have as well.

    • icetom

      a new stash icon and 14 sentences about it in the post.

  • neomoto

    What about DNA-21024? It’s really annoying and interfere my work.

    • Helge Andre Gjølme

      This bug has been fixed.
      Can you still reproduce this bug in this build?

      • It works here.

      • neomoto

        Changlog hasn’t this DNA, so I asked.
        No, bug is fixed, thanks.

  • aiphed

    DOWN then UP -> cloning tab. So useful. Why did you remove it? Was it so evil?

    Also the Start Bar was more useful than the Bookmark Bar imho. But you’ve scrapped everything…

    • Da fuq are you talking about? Cloning ain’t going nowhere.

      • aiphed

        Ok i guess you don’t know it… I’m talking about the mouse gesture of Opera Presto.

  • The Flash Player update added a check for updates to the Pepper Flash player plug in on OS X (not sure if it is the same on Windows), wonder if that will affect the pepper support experiment?

  • Do you have any intention of fixing the black bar that paints over the address bar momentarily on launch?

    • ruduh

      Same with my Opera 22 Stable, a ugly back bar over the adress on launch.
      Win 7 x64

      • YemSalat

        What’s your graphics card?

        • ruduh

          Ge Force 9800GT

  • SLR

    I know this might be nitpicking (and should be the least of your concerns), but with your focus on design and ‘pixel perfection’ lately you’d expect to see the heart menu slide down and up like in Opera 12 instead of fading in.

  • NoName

    When I start Opera, only 2 of my 32 tabs are loaded. They just have a spinning favicon.
    No tab flags are enabled.

    I have to enable a tab and manually go to the site again, before it starts loading.
    This was also an issue in the previous dev build.

  • Emil Huber

    Since a few updates ago pinned sites keep loading for hours after launching Opera.
    They only stop loading when opening the tab – clicking into adress-bar and hitting enter. Then they reload once and everything is fine.

  • YemSalat

    Seriously, why even bother posting?
    You don’t like the new Opera. We get it! Now please kindly f#ck off

  • SQL

    I’m not gonna file a bug report for this but has any of your tester (on Windows 7) noticed that sometimes the Opera window doesn’t work correctly. Like – I have Opera 23 open and i open my irc client, then i click on the Opera window again but the irc client window stays there, just becomes unfocused but i can still see it. The only way to fix this is either closing opera or minimizing the browser, but then it’ll still keep happening, only good thing when doing this is that i can actually use the browser.

    I’m pretty sure this has been happening after O21, for some reason i think it’s cause by aura.

    Not gonna file a bug report since there’s no real way of reproducing this, usually happens when Opera has been opened for a long time, but not always, sometimes when just opening the browser the window seems bugged. And yeah, it isn’t only happening with irc client, basically any application with a window will stay there unresponsive on top of the focused Opera window.

    Also I hope you’re aware of the few very annoying Directwrite bugs? With O22 stash stored sites have sometimes no names, and when Opera has been open for a long time letters on sites start randomly disappearing.

    • taneli

      I’ve mentioned about this behaviour ~5 times already ever since O21, seems to come and go. (Win8.1 x84 here.)

    • cgebhard

      I’ve had a similar problem on Win8.1, but only when there were plugins running in Opera (Flash and Silverlight)

      • SQL

        I haven’t noticed anything like that myself, it could just bug out on the speed dial.

    • Vux777

      I have the same issue with windows explorer. (win7 x64)
      I have to click two time for opera to take focus …after first click, focus jumps back to explorer…
      I’m not sure, but I think it appeared on chrome portable also

  • fanboy punisher

    Opera Mail 1.0

    Right click on a contact and you will see on the menu “Show on Bookmarks Bar”
    …
    You were in such a hurry/panic to destroy Opera Presto that you even forgot to delete this entry.

  • Patata Johnson

    Honestly, am I the only person who sees no point in participating / comment on this blog anymore? Instead of listening to what their users want, they give us “features” that we never wanted at all. I can’t really see a reason why they shouldn’t shut down this blog entirely. Opera used to be my favorite browser and dev team / community behind it, but the way they threat their customers lately totally changed my mind 🙁 It wouldn’t be such a big loss for me anymore if Opera ASA goes down. They have done everything to deserve that in the past year

    • fanboy punisher

      Exactly, we are a minority here, whatever we say is absurd and irrelevant, they always consult their “secret” user base anyway, you know, the one that just browses a few pages of the internet on a tablet/mobile phone/ipad and trully shows them the way to do it for the PC desktop also…

      • burke

        So true.The users that commented at the old blog page and here are no longer the target audience for the new ‘Opera’.
        They don’t listen and the reactions to the whole bookmarks manager debacle and the silent import into the cloud without prompting shows the way they like to treat their users,
        I stopped caring and since I’m on Linux, O12 was my last contact with an Opera browser. Sad but true.

      • YemSalat

        What? You’re the majority here guys, just look at the ratio of hate/love posts and ratings.
        They already said that some of the requests are being worked on but you still feel that posting a “new opera sucks” is your holy mission and do it under every single thread.

        • fanboy punisher

          “here” = “in this case”

          • YemSalat

            By ‘here’ I meant in these blogs.

          • fanboy punisher

            Which was out of context. You need to read better the post I’ ve replied to. “Here” is used for that post, you ‘ve interpreted it wrongly.

            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Here

    • YemSalat

      They are working on bookmarks manager now.

    • YemSalat

      They said a gazillion times that they are working on some of the requested features.
      If your point is to nag about a bookmarks manager (which is being worked on) then yes – there is no reason posting, save us all some time.

  • Ralf Brinkmann

    No more problems on pages with videos here, like the NASA live stream on http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/HDEV/. It runs without interruption. Great!

    • Wraith

      Same here, It was very annoying, I´m glad is fixed now.

  • YemSalat

    Would be great if you guys also made a browser similar to chrome for iOS. Coast is alright but can’t really hold heavy usage.

  • Opera developers, any plans on
    a) showing bookmark bar only on startpage?
    b) adding a flag to search bookmark bar items from omnibox?

    There are no extensions for opera or chrome for functions above (and cannot be by design).

    This new developer version has fixed the problem with passwords I had since the flag to disable domain matching has disappeared.

    • Showing bookmark bar only on starpage makes very little sense and it surely will never happen.

      There IS a Chrome extension for searching bookmarks from the address bar. Sadly, it doesn’t work right now because of the bug in opening opera:// addresses.

      • It actually makes lot of sense, because there aren’t other textual bookmarks in Opera. I don’t want to take up that space on my netbook (1024×600) and have them visible at all times for bystanders, but I want them to be at hand when I use speed dial / open new tab – so I could manage the items.

        I am aware of a chrome extension called Bookmark Search, but it requires prefix (as search engines). There is a similar flag already, to search in stash, so I guess this is not a difficult thing to do.

        • You said there were no extensions to search your bookmarks from the omnibox. I told you there is one. Now you tell me it doesn’t let you search without a prefix. OK, fine, it requires a prefix. So? It exists, it is there. Your argument is now reduced from the declaration of an impossibility to a silly complaint.

  • AS

    I’m report bug to fix (please fix this bug in 23 version).

    Marking text in Opera 22 doesn’t work well. This function isn’t stable!

    Marked text in Opera 12

    http://files.tinypic.pl/i/00534/c8r4ls4pamp3.png

    Marked text in Opera 22

    http://images.tinypic.pl/i/00534/ftv470cti7rh.png

    See the difference? See! I ask for fix this function of marking text in new Opera, because this function doesn’t work stable and isn’t comfortable for marking a lot of the text!

    Suggestion:

    I ask for implementing the option of the button for expand the field of the address in the browser it mean the function: Show Dropdown Button In Addressfield

    Developers look, two quite important browsers IE and Mozilla has this function, and why you can’t implementing this function? As a basic function or function to turn on in settings. Think about it.

    Suggestion in relation to the icon of the heart, you really can’t to figure something better? Heart as a icon doesn’t fit.

    • Stanislav Stratil

      I must agree with your opinion on heart icon, they should come up with something better than heart… Like star for example. But about that text marking. I think its chromium problem… cause every browser with chromium has text marking like this.

      • Nekomajin42

        The star is the bookmark icon. They should something else, but I think it is a really minor problem.

        • Stanislav Stratil

          yea, sorry… my bad… and there are indeed another things to work on.

  • Wraith

    It will be nice if every time you add a new item to the “bookmark bar” using the heart menu the bookmark bar keep the current state. (i.e hidden).
    Since I have an extension (“button”) like the old bookmark I don’t need to show the bookmark bar at all.

  • Guest

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  • aiphed

    Clicking on a link on my Opera Mail client which calls Opera 23 (default) produces these strange hieroglyphs in the browser and the page can’t be viewed: http://www.iefimerida.gr/news/26592/kινέζος-ετών256

    The original link in the mail contains this after /news/26592/: k%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%B6%CE%BF%CF%82-%CE%B5%CF%84%CF%8E%CE%BD256

    If you copy paste it like it is above it works. How to solve this?

    The correct webpage url is …/news/26592/kινέζος-ετών256

  • opticyclic

    The main thing that stops me using any chromium based browser is the fact that temporary files (such as jnlp or Word/pdf etc from emails) are not saved to a temporary directory but saved to my Downloads directory and clutter everything up.
    The other thing is that web pages tend to drop out of memory. If I have 30 tabs open at work, I should be able to get on the train and switch to any of those tabs and see the content. Often with chromium/webkit based browsers they try to reload the page when I switch tabs and because I have no connection on the train I lose the content.

    • YemSalat

      PDFs should just open in a new tab. Whats your OS?

  • RX-3200

    please, fix freezing in Stash and Speed-Dial then Stash and/or Speed-Dial opened simultaneously more then 40 seconds with enabled Tab hibernation

    just open Stash and switch to another tab for 1 minute
    and now try to open Speed-Dial – it not load while Stash is suspended
    … now you can swap them in this manual and try again …

    if Sash and Speed-Dial opened simultaneously and you switched to another tab more then 40 seconds – return to Speed-Dial and it’s frozen until Stash suspended

    if it so difficult to fix it – just disable suspending for Stash and Speed-Dial at all

  • Ste

    Any other browser (Chrome, Fx, IE) can play video, but not Opera:

    Why?

    • YemSalat

      Can you provide a link? The HTML you provided is malformed.

  • Cryio

    So you update Next before a blog post? Interesting.

    • taneli

      That’s how it’s always been on every update…

    • Leonardo Gomes

      First they put the build on the server, then they write and publish the blog post.

    • There were problems with serving the downloads through all distribution channels. That is corporate speak for “we are having server issues we do not fully understand at this time”. 🙂

  • nanana1

    Okay, Opera Developer 23.0.1522.14 has now turned into Opera Next version.
    Expect Opera 24 Developer soon !

    https://get.geo.opera.com/ftp/pub/opera-next/23.0.1522.14/win/Opera_Next_23.0.1522.14_Setup.exe

  • taneli

    I just noticed that the web inspector opens up as a new window, not docked to the current page, what’s up with that?
    It was very handy for hovering over elements and clicking on ’em to see the code highlighted at the same time… now it’s just useless in a new window.

    • Vux777
      • taneli

        Ooooooooooh, soooo there’s such a button, (never pressed it though, just used the webinspector for the first time in current dev build, and seemed to open in new window by default).
        Thanks, though!

        • Vux777

          yup, there’s button for eeeeevrything ツ…well, almost
          You’re welcome, though

  • Cannot use controls to play http://www.y8.com/games/ultimate_flash_sonic (W8x64 Opera Developer 23.0.1522.10)

  • Vorpal

    Where can I post my ideas and feature requests being sure that developers at least notice it?

    I have many of them, but for example telling about O-Menu. I think it is badly structured and menu similar to old Firefox menu with two columns will be better.
    Something like that sketch (sorry for russian interface, I think it is clear enough as is) http://savepic.ru/5173925.png

    Another one idea is about Bookmarks. I don’t use them but it doesn’t mean that it don’t need to be good. Now we have horisontal bookmark bar and people still complain. What if it is vertical? Option to toggle the bar to the left like old F4-menu. It even can have same functionality like current horisontal, just being vertical on left side. Maybe with scrolling and search. Don’t know why but I think it will be better accepted by users.

  • L33t4opera

    New Opera Developer 24: for Windows 24.0.1534.0, and Mac 24.0.1534.2 😉

  • yellowfour

    Why did they have to ditch the whole interface just because of a different HTML rendering engine? They threw away 20 years of development with almost nothing to show for it. This is progress? If we wanted a bare bones chrome-based browser, we already have chrome/chromium. I want to know what practical advantages the new Opera has compared to the current competition (especially when others have plenty of extensions to add functionality), not to mention what are the advantages of the new interface compared to Opera 12 or couldn’t be built atop of it.

    Opera 11.64 is still my main browser at home and at work. I need an efficient interface, and Opera 11/12 is still unmatched. At least I still have my bookmarks and notes and they sync fine. I fall back on Firefox for sites that don’t work and also to watch and download videos. No way in hell I’m touching Chrome, WebKit or their derivatives. It’ll take another 20 years at the current pace of Opera development to match what 11/12 had. Maybe then I’ll reconsider using the new Opera.

  • Tiberiusduck

    Opera is now officially a low quality “Tablet Browser” with zero features and offers nothing for the PC user anymore.
    Opera’s last innovation (according to Opera) was to allow wallpaper changes.
    Are you kidding me ?!!!
    How about bookmarks people can actually use?!!!
    The smell of death for this browser is now in the air unless shareholders finally step in and demand a return to classic Opera.
    Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
    In Opera’s case, it seems that both feet weren’t wanted anymore.

  • Daniel Fischer Montt

    Going back opera when sync is ready

  • Dima T

    I’m so tired of waiting for sync.
    It seems the developers torturing users.
    Goodbye guys, I’ll never use Opera.

    It was the best browser for years before 2014.

  • Justan Montana

    Crash, crash, crash. Won’t even load a link.

  • Tom

    Hello, in new opera 23 i miss the bookmarks manager and CTRL + Z function. Is any opportunity to turn the two features on again.

  • Aries Truong

    I’m using Opera 23 and I have question. When does Opera support to sync bookmark?

  • AussieThunder

    Can the team please update Opera to make it completely user friendly for the new Mac Yosemite. I play RPG browser game & since the OS update to Yosemite, they game players but in game chat never works. Can you please upgrade your browser to us Yosemite users to play on Opera. I have always played this game on Opera & love it until now. Many thanks

  • Christian DiCanio

    Mouse-over options do not seem to work on 28.0.1750.40 with Yosemite on a mac. As a result, if you have many tabs open, the tab icon masks the “close tab” button and you can not click-close a tab.

    Second, older versions of opera allowed one to change the speed-dial display. There is no more customization here anymore.

    Third, can you please bring back side-tabs? This was a really nice feature as you could read your tabs like a menu and see the entire name of the page (using vertical space is less constrained).

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